Yankees 2010-2011 Hotstove Thread

[jacksonianmarch]

Looks like the Yanks have turned their attention to Jon Rauch for their pen. I think he'd be the complementary piece that the young pen could need. We have the best closer. We have a bunch of young guys who have shown promise (Joba) or solid production (Robertson) and we have 2 lefties capable of shutting down lefties. We could use someone to fill Wood's role, and I think Rauch could do that

[italstallianion]

Jacko, random question. Ballparking it, where would you currently rank the Yankees farm system among all farm systems?

[jacksonianmarch]

In the 5-10 range. Probably around #7

[italstallianion]

I had just asked one of my Yankee fan friends (who is generally objective with this kind of stuff) and he said that he'd put the Yankees system around 5th or 6th, so I guess the Yankees might have a good farm system now. Go figure.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees have a very strong farm system led by the best offensive prospect in the game and probably the best pitching farm system and best catching system in the game. Their deficits sit at the corner IF guys and the corner OF guys. I like their CF options (Mesa, A. Almonte, Heathcott) and their middle infield options (Nunez, Culver, Adams, Joseph). Their catching depth is second to none (Montero, Romine, Murphy, Higashioka, Sanchez). Outside of Montero, there are no other no doubt offensive starters above Tampa, which is why I think they take a hit. But the pitching is ridiculous

[italstallianion]

I just meant that the Yankees weren't highly ranked at the beginning of the year (the Red Sox and Yankees were in the middle of the pack with the Red Sox a few spots higher than the Yankees) and I knew that the Red Sox had a really good 2010 draft (albeit trading key prospects to San Diego) but the Yankees didn't have that same great draft, nor did they trade any of their players away for prospects (they usually do the opposite). So I'm wondering how they could have risen towards the top in the past year.

[jacksonianmarch]

There's a reason for that. The 2010 Yankee minor leaguers had a ridiculous season. We lost 3 high potential players to season ending injuries (Garcia, Bleich, Abe Almonte), but we also got two guys back from TJ early who showed dominant stuff on return (Betances and Brett Marshall). The pitching took a major step forward with Stoneburner, Phelps, Warren, Brackman, Noesi, Betances and Banuelos showing dominant stuff leading to in season promotions. The offensive end saw Montero end the yr like a beast and also locked down the MVP's in the AA and A+ leagues (Laird and Mesa). It was an incredible season

[Meh]

I had just asked one of my Yankee fan friends (who is generally objective with this kind of stuff) and he said that he'd put the Yankees system around 5th or 6th' date=' so I guess the Yankees might have a good farm system now. Go figure.[/quote']

 

Didnt ask me but ill give my opinion, John manuel of ba said it was 5th, id say 6th.

[Meh]

There's a reason for that. The 2010 Yankee minor leaguers had a ridiculous season. We lost 3 high potential players to season ending injuries (Garcia' date=' Bleich, Abe Almonte), but we also got two guys back from TJ early who showed dominant stuff on return (Betances and Brett Marshall). The pitching took a major step forward with Stoneburner, Phelps, Warren, Brackman, Noesi, Betances and Banuelos showing dominant stuff leading to in season promotions. The offensive end saw Montero end the yr like a beast and also locked down the MVP's in the AA and A+ leagues (Laird and Mesa). It was an incredible season[/quote']yeah yankees have never had things go that well for them in the minors. Even guys like ramon flored started climbing up. Don't forget about gary sanchez, dude really planted his foot in the prospect world.

[italstallianion]

Fair enough, I think that prospect handbooks come out not too long from now which will give in depth rankings.

[Meh]

Fair enough' date=' I think that prospect handbooks come out not too long from now which will give in depth rankings.[/quote']

 

BA handbook comes out in mid feb I believe. Im not a huge ba fan but their handbook is a nice read.

[Meh]

Yankees signed old friend vizcaino to a minor league deal.

[jacksonianmarch]

Depth move. I am fine with depth moves, but we need 1 more RH reliever who is reliable. And with Nolasco signing his extension, that takes another possibility off the board on the starters end

[jacksonianmarch]

Sounds like Fausto Carmona is on the block again. He was a popular name being bandied about around the trade deadline. He's signed rather reasonably on options through 2014. After dominating in 2007, he had two injury plagued seasons where a hip injury really hindered him. He came back strong last yr to the tune of 210.1IP 3.77ERA 1.31WHIP and a nice 1.30GO/AO ratio (although well off his career numbers). He just turned 27 as well. He shouldnt cost as much as a Felix or Greinke would since he isnt a true blue ace, just mostly a workhorse sinkerballer type (when healthy). Might not be a bad idea

[BSN07]

Sounds like Fausto Carmona is on the block again. He was a popular name being bandied about around the trade deadline. He's signed rather reasonably on options through 2014. After dominating in 2007' date=' he had two injury plagued seasons where a hip injury really hindered him. He came back strong last yr to the tune of 210.1IP 3.77ERA 1.31WHIP and a nice 1.30GO/AO ratio (although well off his career numbers). He just turned 27 as well. He shouldnt cost as much as a Felix or Greinke would since he isnt a true blue ace, just mostly a workhorse sinkerballer type (when healthy). Might not be a bad idea[/quote']

 

Maybe not as much, but not a lot less. His deal is very team friendly. Which will allow smaller market teams to get in on him. More teams in, the higher the price typically. I would bet it will go to 2-3 top prospects +1 low level to get Fausto out of Cleveland. Which considering deals as of late, would seem reasonable. I think Cleveland should sell high right now. They're going nowhere and I'm sure they're aware of it. Fausto did a lot to rebuild his value last season. I don't see them risking it dropping during a season they aren't contending. They can get a nice haul right now and they should.

[Palodios]

It is starting to concern me on how little the Yankees have done this offseason. They resigned two of their guys, missed their big target, lost a strong bullpen arm, and haven't signed a single impact player after being bounced out of the playoffs early this year. They have a farm deep with trade chips and a ton of money to spend. Its almost too quiet, eerie, even. I think something is brewing.

[SoxFanForsyth]

It is starting to concern me on how little the Yankees have done this offseason. They resigned two of their guys' date=' missed their big target, lost a strong bullpen arm, and haven't signed a single impact player after being bounced out of the playoffs early this year. They have a farm deep with trade chips and a ton of money to spend. Its almost too quiet, eerie, even. I think something is brewing.[/quote']

 

The quiet before the storm, huh? Could definitely be the case, although I don't think it will be a free agent signing because, other than Beltre and Soriano, there really aren't any significant free agent names out there. Could be a trade, though. I would assume that any significant trade would involve Jesus Montero to be involved, and I know a lot of Yankee fans are extremely high on him, especially with Posada's defensive skills diminishing and Martin seems like more of a bridge to Montero than anything.

 

Think Pettitte will come back? My guess is that he's asking for a lot of money to get him out of retirement, and Cashman is trying to weigh his worth vs his asking price. To me, he's getting older and while he had a great year last year, you only wonder how many times a 40 year old can turn in back to back career years while avoiding a relapse of the groin injury. Not trying to play devils advocate, just trying to be realistic.

[Meh]

Pettitte will be brought back for one year 16 to 17 milllion. Just imo

[SoxFanForsyth]

Pettitte will be brought back for one year 16 to 17 milllion. Just imo

 

I can definitely see that happening. Only question I have - will he be as effective as he was last year? I saw somewhere that he said he is unsure how well he will be able to get over the groin injury.

 

Last year, once he returned from his injury, he started 5 games and went 1-2 with a 4.61 ERA (including the post season). Just wonder how much more he's got in the tank, and if 17mm is worth it for a guy who has a good chance of being injured for 1/2 of the season or more.

[Rdsxmbnt]

Last year, once he returned from his injury, he started 5 games and went 1-2 with a 4.61 ERA (including the post season). Just wonder how much more he's got in the tank, and if 17mm is worth it for a guy who has a good chance of being injured for 1/2 of the season or more.

 

Probably closer to those numbers. He was never really a low-3 ERA pitcher in the AL even in his prime. I'd be skeptical of counting on him for an entire year following the injury and at 39 years old.

[SoxFanForsyth]

Well, according to Jack Curry of YES Network, Cashman said Pettitte is still leaning toward retiring.

 

[jacksonianmarch]

It is starting to concern me on how little the Yankees have done this offseason. They resigned two of their guys' date=' missed their big target, lost a strong bullpen arm, and haven't signed a single impact player after being bounced out of the playoffs early this year. They have a farm deep with trade chips and a ton of money to spend. Its almost too quiet, eerie, even. I think something is brewing.[/quote']

 

I think the Yankees are lying in wait as well, although I see the wait being well into the season. Once King Felix has to go through another losing season at the bottom of a mediocre division, he might change his mind and want a winner. Regardless, I think Pettitte is coming back. He's said to be leaning towards retiring, but when another big payday is on the horizon, most men come back. He'll be in pinstripes

[Palodios]

4 year of Felix... It'd be hard to pry that away from Seattle, even if the next 4 years will cost 70 mill.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am not saying that's who they will get, but I guarantee they'll ask about him. There is always a surprise team that sells before the deadline, especially players that seemed to be under contract or untradeable.

[Palodios]

I just don't see him costing any less than Hughes+Nova+Montero+2. One year of a franchise player is one thing, but 4? That'll cost a ton prospect-wise. I think there are definitely better options for the Yankees out there that won't burn the farm, tip the cows, and rape the farmer's wife.

[a700hitter]

The Yankees have nothing big in the works. Yankee fans need to stop praying, and Red Sox fans need to get over the paranoia. They might make some deals, but no blockbusters. They missed out on Lee, but they never had a chance because he was hell bent on going to Philly of all places. They thought we had no chance at Crawford, but surprise surprise. It looks like the Yanks will enter the season with a talent gap with the Sox.

[Palodios]

I'm surprised you're so optimistic about this. In the last 40 years, how many times have the Yankees have made zero moves in an offseason?

[a700hitter]

I'm surprised you're so optimistic about this. In the last 40 years' date=' how many times have the Yankees have made zero moves in an offseason?[/quote']George is dead. It's a new world.

[italstallianion]

I'm surprised you're so optimistic about this. In the last 40 years' date=' how many times have the Yankees have made zero moves in an offseason?[/quote']

 

 

Don't be fooled. If there's a report that comes out in the future about how all of these great Boston players get traded for scraps so that John Henry can funnel all of the money into Liverpool, the one person that WON'T be surprised is a700. He'd be sitting on his rocking chair with his shotgun in hand saying "I told you so."

[Meh]

I'm surprised you're so optimistic about this. In the last 40 years' date=' how many times have the Yankees have made zero moves in an offseason?[/quote']

 

I think Cashman wants to enter the season and make a move then, players have been traded so cheap during the season. A lot of playoff teams are at the brink of payroll as well. Angels, Tigers and Yankees have some room to spend, but lets see where were at after Soriano, Beltre, etc sign. Yankees might be in a position to bend teams over a barrel at the trade deadline.