Yankees 2010-2011 Hotstove Thread

[Meh]

I'd love to add Darvish just for prospect rankings haha, makes us deeper.

 

There's been nothing from the IFA market, thats kind of disappointing. I really wanted to add another Sanchez-type player. Missed our chance on Heredia and Mathias.

[jacksonianmarch]

The IFA market is slogged by identity crises. DePaula should be signing in the winter. I expect it to pick up a little around December when teams have time to work players out

[jacksonianmarch]

http://blogs.forbes.com/sportsmoney/2010/10/19/cliff-lee-dominances-may-yield-near-200-million-over-six-years/

 

Not a bad read, estimating that Lee could garner over $200 million over 6 seasons in salary and endorsements, especially if he goes to a big market club

[jacksonianmarch]

An interesting dilemma this offseason will be whether to offer Wood arbitration. He makes $10 mil now, so if he accepted, he'd be guaranteed $8 million in 2011, but he wants to close and after his dominance in NY, he could get a multi-yr deal. He's been so damn good that it made a moot point actually relevant

[jacksonianmarch]

Jesus F-ing Christ I hate writing in a hot stove thread when our season is over before the World Series ends. Oh well. We werent good enough, that's the bottom line, and the Rangers getting Cliff Lee, while big, really wasnt the story. That being said, it would have helped a ton to have a second reliable pitcher.

 

Well, it's officially the off-season for NY. Time to prepare the funds for the Lee acquisition. If Lee does what I think he is going to do (win 2 games in the World Series) then I think all offers start at 5 years and probably go into a 6th yr, be it a vesting option or a club option. He will be the key to the offseason

 

Now in terms of Mariano, write him a 2 yr deal at the same AAV, he is so money.

 

And in terms of Jeter, I doubt anyone beats a 3 yr 30 mil deal. That's what I throw his way, no more $18 mil seasons for the captain.

[jacksonianmarch]

And at the very least, this allows me to study for my boards.

[jacksonianmarch]

Now, in terms of contingency plans should Lee take less money elsewhere, I think it has to start with Matt Cain. He has a club option for 2011, which is a no-brainer. And at 26yrs old, the guy is lights out and has a bright future ahead of him. And, as one of the marquee pitching names available after 2011, he is probably not long pitching by the bay. It would take a massive haul, and if you took Montero off the table (since he is due to start in NY next yr and the Giants dont need a catcher) then you are probably looking at Betances and Banuelos going the other way.

[a700hitter]

Hypocrite Andy Pet-rat is starting his annual Brett Favre ********. I hope he makes a decision to come back quickly so the Yankees don't go too hard after Cliff Lee. I hate these ******* athletes that cry about being away from their families. He has about 4 months to spend with his family before pitchers and catchers report. Isn't that enough 24/7 time to spend with your family?

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/yankees/pettitte-not-sure-about-returning-to-yanks-in-2011-1.2396375

[jacksonianmarch]

We will have him by the balls if we get Lee. Either come back for pennies on the dollar or, well, we dont need you

[example1]

Now' date=' in terms of contingency plans should Lee take less money elsewhere, I think it has to start with Matt Cain. He has a club option for 2011, which is a no-brainer. And at 26yrs old, the guy is lights out and has a bright future ahead of him. And, as one of the marquee pitching names available after 2011, he is probably not long pitching by the bay. It would take a massive haul, and if you took Montero off the table (since he is due to start in NY next yr and the Giants dont need a catcher) then you are probably looking at Betances and Banuelos going the other way.[/quote']

 

And what's your contingency plan if the Giants want to keep Cain?

[jacksonianmarch]

I am sure there is someone. Not sure yet. I dont touch Greinke with a 10 foot pole from a mental stability standpoint, but from a talent standpoint, you wont get much better

[Palodios]

And what's your contingency plan if the Giants want to keep Cain?

 

Getting Cain is going to be like the Sox getting A-gon. Its a pipe dream, and probably not worth the prospects this year because the teams they're on will be contenders, and in the case of San Francisco, reigning NL champions.

[example1]

I am sure there is someone. Not sure yet. I dont touch Greinke with a 10 foot pole from a mental stability standpoint' date=' but from a talent standpoint, you wont get much better[/quote']

 

I'm not sure there is someone if Lee goes elsewhere. Cliff Lee's talent alone literally swung the fate of the AL this year. If he doesn't go to NY there isn't anyone obvious you can slot in who would provide the same thing.

 

I think the Yankees are in an interesting spot right now. The end is in sight for the dominance of Jeter, Rivera, Posada and Pettitte. That's a good thing for everyone else.

[BSN07]

Lee staying in Texas would be best case scenario for Red Sox fans. I am really pulling for them to up the ante and ink him. I think if they offer 5 years 25M per, he takes it to stay there.

 

I'd be interested to see what kind of fall back plan the Yankees would have. Like example said, there really isn't an obvious choice. I guess they could go for an innings eater like Millwood and hope either Hughes or Burnett can step up and be a serviceable #2. And then look again next off season. And even then there isn't anything to be too hopeful about. The Yanks not getting Lee could set them back a lot and unless they trade for a SP it doesn't seem like signing a check to someone is going to help them.

 

I wonder if the Yanks go crazy on offense if the miss out on Lee to compensate? Sign Dunn to DH and go get one of the OF bats that are available or something like that.

[jacksonianmarch]

I should have clarified. I am sure there is someone, who will not be as easy to get and as effective as Lee.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm not sure there is someone if Lee goes elsewhere. Cliff Lee's talent alone literally swung the fate of the AL this year. If he doesn't go to NY there isn't anyone obvious you can slot in who would provide the same thing.

 

I think the Yankees are in an interesting spot right now. The end is in sight for the dominance of Jeter, Rivera, Posada and Pettitte. That's a good thing for everyone else.

 

There is an end in sight for Posada, no doubt, and it could be as soon as next yr. Montero is ready. He is better than Posada now defensively (in terms of arm) and has the upside of a Miguel Cabrera offensively. And behind him, we have Romine, who has the glove, but hasnt shown the durability to continue his offensive production as the season wore on (ie he got tired). Posada will not be a full time catcher in 2011. He'll be a part timer with Montero there and by 2012, there wont be a place for him. Montero will be DHing half the time and splitting time behind the dish with Romine. So yes, the end is definitely in the crosshairs for the old veteran

 

Jeter, IMO, will put up a better offensive yr next yr, but I highly doubt his range improves at all. It most likely will slow to a point where he isnt useful to us as a SS anymore. I think the playoff run showed he still has the bat. For some reason, it disappeared for 3 months, but he still has power the other way and can still hit the ball square. But he is the oldest starting SS in the majors and his range coupled with ARod slowing down a bit has made the left side hole a magnet for base hits.

 

Pettitte showed he can still do it, his durability is my main concern. But if we get Lee, he will be extraneous. Hell, it would be nice to see him in the #4 slot with Burnett as the #5, but it wouldnt be necessary and might hurt the development of the club's young pitchers, who are hard charging

 

And Mariano continues to defy logic. His new nickname should be Benjamin Button. The older he gets, the younger his stuff looks. I think he gets back on the horse for another 2 seasons. And every time I think he is going to slow down, he just gets better.

[BSN07]

So what do the Yankees do with Jeter? You know he's getting a 2-3 year deal . Do they leave him at SS and just suffer through it? It doesn't seem like they can transition him to OF right now. His bat doesn't translate good for a COF. And he probably lacks the speed now to play CF. He can't clog up the DH spot. they need that for other players and again his bat doesn't translate well for a DH.

 

The Yankees could really be shooting themselves in the foot if they ink Jeter long term. If Jeter was on any other team he would be going year to year and probably be moving to 2B. The most outrageous suggestion I have read came from SI this morning,

 

Jeter is coming off a $189 million, 10-year contract at 36. He is expected to re-sign, perhaps for a higher average salary over a four- or five-year deal.

 

I don't know which columnist put it up but I want what some of he's smoking. And Jeter's agent better be trying to gt some and put it in Cashman's brownies. In my dream of dreams only would the Yankees be stupid enough to give out that deal to Jeter. That's all the Yankees need is another 35+ year old making 20M+ a season :thumbsup:

[Palodios]

What scares me the most is... if the Yankees don't get Lee, where does that 25 million dollars go?

[BSN07]

What scares me the most is... if the Yankees don't get Lee' date=' where does that 25 million dollars go?[/quote']

 

That's an interesting question. There is no other front line pitcher available via free agency. They could try giving Pavano another try. They were willing to do it for Vasquez :dunno:()

 

1st thing I probably do is try to convince Pettitte to come back. If he's on board then they need at least 1 more SP. I won't pretend to know their system that well so I'll stick to FA's and trades. I think Millwood could be a solid #4-5 for them. He will most likely come on a one year deal. No reason to go throwing multi year deals around if they really aren't needed. Then I would sign a Webb type that could start in AAA and be ready to come in when AJ implodes or Andy gets hurt.

 

If Pettitte isn't on board the Yankees are in bit of a bind and will probably have to search the trade market for a SP. I have mentioned Grienke for the Sox and how it would be worth the risk, so it's only fair to say that for NY as well. After Grienke there isn't a ton IMO. You have Zambrano and his deal that the Yanks could absorb, but with Big Z and his issues that would be sketchy. Lowe? Meh not sure they want to go that route.

 

After that who else is out there? I'm sure I'm missing some but still. If the Yanks don't get Lee and or Pettitte they could be in some trouble. Or they could institute the old Yankee moto and go sign a couple FA bats to try and supplement faulty pitching.

[a700hitter]

What scares me the most is... if the Yankees don't get Lee' date=' where does that 25 million dollars go?[/quote']To the investing partners.

[Palodios]

They have 70 million coming off the books. I find it very hard to see them standing pat.

[jacksonianmarch]

I guarantee you they spend most of that. There is going to be a major pitching acquisition and Jeter and Mo will be back. I can guarantee those three things

[a700hitter]

They have 70 million coming off the books. I find it very hard to see them standing pat.

They will not stay pat, but they won a Championship last season and went to the ALCS last year. They are not desperate. I will not be surprised if they don't spend all of the $70 million. The Red Sox are more desperate at this point. They didn't make the playoffs in 2010 and have been beaten by the Rays in 2 of the last 3 seasons. I expect the Sox to spend.

[Palodios]

Haven't you heard the old Yankee slogan? A year without a championship is a failure. They will spend most of the 70.

[a700hitter]

Haven't you heard the old Yankee slogan? A year without a championship is a failure. They will spend most of the 70.

We'll see. George is dead, and Hank likes the horses.

[Divinity]

They have 70 million coming off the books. I find it very hard to see them standing pat.

 

I could see them ditching Swisher and signing Werth, even though Swisher is a popular Yankee, the guy pretty much only hits bad pitching, he's been nearly worthless in the playoffs this year and last.

[a700hitter]

I could see them ditching Swisher and signing Werth' date=' even though Swisher is a popular Yankee, the guy pretty much only hits bad pitching, he's been nearly worthless in the playoffs this year and last.[/quote']I don't see them getting rid of Swisher.

[Palodios]

I could see them ditching Swisher and signing Werth' date=' even though Swisher is a popular Yankee, the guy pretty much only hits bad pitching, he's been nearly worthless in the playoffs this year and last.[/quote']

 

So you're ditching a guy with .870 OPS last season for a guy who has hit .840 for his career for playoff effectiveness? You do realize Werth has only hit .750 in the playoffs, right? I don't necessarily think Werth/Crawford are out of the question, but for half the price, Swisher is a Yankee next season.

[Divinity]

I didn't realize he was only at .750, you're probably right then. I suppose they won't trade Swisher

[redsoxrules]

They have 70 million coming off the books. I find it very hard to see them standing pat.

 

Riveira , Jeter and pettitte will use a good chunk of that money