10 Ways to Fix this team

[Dipre]

Well' date=' now you do.[/quote']

 

Indeed. I was wrong about you all along. Youre a pretty smart guy.

[PWNdroia]

Indeed. I was wrong about you all along. Youre a pretty smart guy.

 

If you say so... I won't call myself out on it though. I'll only talk about the Sox, that's it.

[Dipre]

If you say so... I won't call myself out on it though. I'll only talk about the Sox' date=' that's it.[/quote']

 

Got it. But i sure wish i could hang around you some more. Such a smart guy!

[PWNdroia]

Got it. But i sure wish i could hang around you some more. Such a smart guy!

 

You're too much. I mean, I'm not that smart. Up there, but surely there are smarter people out there. And if I say things right, it doesn't automatically make me smart.

[soxfan17881]

Since Francona and Epstein have been in Boston the Red Sox have won 2 World Series (more than anyone else in that stretch) have been in the post season every year but one. The have something along the lines of a 25-16 post season record.

 

I thing losing either of them at this point would be weapons-grade stupidity. Just my opinion.

[soxfan17881]

But that's absurd! Draft position is not related to the quality of your draft' date=' even if you have [b']Evan Longoria[/b] and David Price on your team!

 

 

I disagree with this strongly! How can you possibly say that draft position has no bearing on how your success is graded. If you have fewer or no first round picks you start off at a disadvantage. If you end up drafting as well as a team with better pick spots, you obviously had to maneuver better than they did.

[a700hitter]

Sign Jermaine Dye to give the offense a shot in the arm. Move Ellsbury back to CF and throw Hermida back on the Marlins garbage dump. This would have an immediate positive impact.

Cameron has hit the DL with an abdominal tear-- a sort of sport hernia that might require surgery. He'll be out for some time. We can sign Dye without cutting Hermida.

 

Thirty-seven year old CF's break down, and we have this chump for two years. We'll probably get 130 games out of him over the 2 years if we are lucky.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2010/04/cameron_to_dl.html

[rhet]

Thirty-seven year old CF's break down, and we have this chump for two years.

 

All of which was discussed when he was rumored to be on the Sox shopping list. I swear when Theo puts on the blinders and wants a guy, age, health and recent performance are no barriers.

[Palodios]

Since Francona and Epstein have been in Boston the Red Sox have won 2 World Series (more than anyone else in that stretch) have been in the post season every year but one. The have something along the lines of a 25-16 post season record.

 

I thing losing either of them at this point would be weapons-grade stupidity. Just my opinion.

 

But at the same time, I think they've been getting complacent. When you win two titles for the first time in a longggg time, they've been given a little too much of a security blanket. 2010 is supposedly a bridge year, but how many impact players have popped up recently?

 

The only significant Sox players that I can think of that have reached the major league roster in 2008 and 2009 have been Bard, and Masterson. Everyone else on the roster now debuted 2007 or earlier. After the 2007 season, and after 2008 season, their offseason moves never really panned out.

 

I'm not saying crucify them, but I don't think we should ignore their shortcomings.

[Dipre]

I disagree with this strongly! How can you possibly say that draft position has no bearing on how your success is graded. If you have fewer or no first round picks you start off at a disadvantage. If you end up drafting as well as a team with better pick spots' date=' you obviously had to maneuver better than they did.[/quote']

 

I was being sarcastic.

[jacksonianmarch]

I disagree with this strongly! How can you possibly say that draft position has no bearing on how your success is graded. If you have fewer or no first round picks you start off at a disadvantage. If you end up drafting as well as a team with better pick spots' date=' you obviously had to maneuver better than they did.[/quote']

 

draft position allows you one chance to get a cant miss player. In baseball, something like 50% of first rounders make the bigs, and less than 5% after that. Being first in line for so long allowed them to get the high profile guys, but if you look at the all stars in the game, about half of them were found later in the draft. Meaning that Tampa gets the leg up for one round only, and needs to have a strong draft after that to have organizational depth

[Dipre]

draft position allows you one chance to get a cant miss player. In baseball' date=' something like 50% of first rounders make the bigs, and less than 5% after that. Being first in line for so long allowed them to get the high profile guys, but if you look at the all stars in the game, about half of them were found later in the draft. Meaning that Tampa gets the leg up for one round only, and needs to have a strong draft after that to have organizational depth[/quote']

 

Yeah but hard to argue against Longoria, Upton, Price and Young (who they turned into Garza).

[jacksonianmarch]

They have been lucky with both health and lack of a big miss (like f***ing Brien Taylor!!)

[Dipre]

They have been lucky with both health and lack of a big miss (like f***ing Brien Taylor!!)

 

Jason Place, Craig Hansen.

[jacksonianmarch]

I meant TB, sorry for the confusion

[Warren]

Nine steals by the Rangers tonight. Wake was on the mound and my mother could steal on him. There are not to many catchers in MLB that are lights out throwing out runners. Maybe a hand full.

I read an article not to long ago about how catching is becoming a lost art. (as in pure catchers)

The best ones are moved to other positions in college or the minors, due to teams not wanting them to get beat up before they make it to the bigtime. The Twins signed the only catcher that would make a difference on any team. Parent clubs need to keep that young catching talent behind the plate.

[SoxSport]

All the talk in the media is about the Red Sox needing a better defensive catcher. My thinking is the fault is more the pitchers than the catchers on this club. They aren't stealing on the catchers so much as they are stealing on the pitchers. And that's their POLICY of not holding runners on. So it's a management problem--as are the root of most problems in any organization.

 

It must be tough to be a catcher on the Red Sox these days. VMart isn't great defensively, but he is really being shown up badly by the pitchers not holding runners on. I wonder how he feels about this. I wonder how his teammates feel about this. I think there are issues on this team affecting their performance. Coaching issues the FO has to deal with.

[a700hitter]

It must be tough to be a catcher on the Red Sox these days. VMart isn't great defensively' date=' but he is really being shown up badly by the pitchers not holding runners on. I wonder how he feels about this. I wonder how his teammates feel about this. I think there are issues on this team affecting their performance. Coaching issues the FO has to deal with.[/quote']They pitched out yesterday. Wake gave him a good ball to handle and VMart took forever to release the ball and he sailed the throw. The guy was safe by plenty. Vlad stole third base too. Nufsed. Vmart stinks as a catcher. His pitchers make things worse, but he is just terrible.

[Dojji]

Chance Wagner or Brown will be up with the team soon? V-mart would make a fine DH/1B.

 

If you don't want to cut Ortiz then it's time to cut Lowell. Too much defensive suck on the bench, we need some youth and mobility there. All of our bench guys are mediocre defenders at the positions we expect them to back up at (Tek at catcher, Lowell at 3B/1B, Hermida at OF, Hall at SS). It's a huge "hidden" weakness of the team.

 

if I had my druthers I'd clean most of the current bench out, consider doing the same to Big Papi, and go with defensive guys, with the exception of Hall, since he at least brings tremendous flexibility.

 

CUT: Mike Lowell

CUT: Jason Varitek

CUT: David Ortiz

SIGN: defense-first backup SS

CALL UP: catcher Dusty Brown

TRADE: catcher Chris Snyder

 

V-Mart DH/1B/part time C

Defense-first SS guy (Nick Green type)

Dusty Brown, backup C (may play a fair bit if the defense is as advertized and his OBP holds around .340 or so)

Bill Hall, IF/OF

 

You're losing a ton of offensive potential, but stabilizing the bench is very important and getting some defense off the bench is just as important. With Lowell Tek and Ortiz gone, a third catcher can be justifed and V-Mart takes over primary backup 1B duties.

 

Make a deal for Chris Snyder of the Diamondbacks if you need a catcher who'll hit in order to be happy with life. He should be available since Montero looks like he's going to be their guy going forward and the Diamondbacks have no shortage of holes to fill so they should be open to trade. I'd mention my personal mancrush Mike Napoli instead as a possible trade target if I thought the Angels would make us a fair price, but right now that's unlikely as Jeff Mathis is hurt.

 

If you need a roster spot for Snyder, and/or haven't given up on Ortiz, forego the backup SS and limp along with Hall, although that's far from optimal.

[TheMino007]

Did you just refer to Nick Green as a defensive first SS?

[Keeper]

Make a deal for Chris Snyder of the Diamondbacks if you need a catcher who'll hit in order to be happy with life. He should be available since Montero looks like he's going to be their guy going forward and the Diamondbacks have no shortage of holes to fill so they should be open to trade.

 

Getting Chris Snyder is the best suggestion you've made here, IMO. However, since Montero is on the DL I don't see how the D-Backs would be willing to part with Snyder at the moment.

[Dojji]

Did you just refer to Nick Green as a defensive first SS?

 

Yep. UZR/150 actually likes his performance last year as an SS, and he was doing great until he got overexposed. Hits enough to survive as a utility guy too. But really it was only an example. Really it *shoould* be Lowrie, but we know that he'll get a paper cut on the callup notice. Even if he recieves it as a digital signal. So that's a nonstarter.

[Dojji]

Getting Chris Snyder is the best suggestion you've made here' date=' IMO. However, since Montero is on the DL I don't see how the D-Backs would be willing to part with Snyder at the moment.[/quote']

 

Didn't know Montero was DL'd

 

Oh well.

[Palodios]

Yep. UZR/150 actually likes his performance last year as an SS' date=' and he was doing great until he got overexposed. Hits enough to survive as a utility guy too. But really it was only an example. Really it *shoould* be Lowrie, but we know that he'll get a paper cut on the callup notice. Even if he recieves it as a digital signal. So that's a nonstarter.[/quote']

 

Hey now, its not Lowrie's fault that he's so sexy.

[Dipre]

Yep. UZR/150 actually likes his performance last year as an SS' date=' and he was doing great until he got overexposed. Hits enough to survive as a utility guy too. But really it was only an example. Really it *shoould* be Lowrie, but we know that he'll get a paper cut on the callup notice. Even if he recieves it as a digital signal. So that's a nonstarter.[/quote']

 

SSS. Green is not all bad at SS, but using his UZR last year as an indicative of performance would be incorrect.

[Dipre]

 

If you don't want to cut Ortiz then it's time to cut Lowell. Too much defensive suck on the bench, we need some youth and mobility there.

 

:lol::lol:

[Dojji]

SSS. Green is not all bad at SS' date=' but using his UZR last year as an indicative of performance would be incorrect.[/quote']

 

It matches his career numbers there. besides, Green was our SS for about half the season, sort of blunts the SSS argument.

 

Nick Green is not a poor utility man and he has good range to offset his sometimes questionable arm. Alex Gonzalez was the right move when we made it but Green isn't as bad as some people say.

[Dipre]

It matches his career numbers there.

 

Nick Green is not a poor utility man and he has good range to offset his sometimes questionable arm..

 

What i'm trying to say is that he's probably not as good as he looked last year, but probably right around average.

[Dojji]

:lol::lol:

 

It's not really Lowell's fault. He could offer something to a team that didn't have so many different guys that duplicate his remaining skillset. Not in Boston though.

[Palodios]

Well, he's having a pretty good season off the bench. Maybe someone will treat him seriously?