New York Yankees Gameday Thread

[Palodios]

Wins and IP are negligible because Lester has one fewer start than Sabathia and it would even out if they had an equal number of starts. You also have to consider that Lester has issues in April. He didn't get his first QS until April 28. 41% of his earned runs this season came from his first three starts. His ERA for his next 14 starts is 1.903, and his WHIP is under 1.

 

I'm not saying that CY Young voters should disregard those starts, but since April is usually his only hitch, I think its fair to predict that his numbers will be significantly better when October comes. Its also going to be a lot easier for him to get wins if the Sox offense ever gets healthy. Sabathia's IP is impressive, but in a season like this, its not going to get it done without an ERA under 3, period.

[Yaz Sideburn]

sabathia hasn't been as good as lester since 2008

[jacksonianmarch]

Wins and IP are negligible because Lester has one fewer start than Sabathia and it would even out if they had an equal number of starts. You also have to consider that Lester has issues in April. He didn't get his first QS until April 28. 41% of his earned runs this season came from his first three starts. His ERA for his next 14 starts is 1.903, and his WHIP is under 1.

 

I'm not saying that CY Young voters should disregard those starts, but since April is usually his only hitch, I think its fair to predict that his numbers will be significantly better when October comes. Its also going to be a lot easier for him to get wins if the Sox offense ever gets healthy. Sabathia's IP is impressive, but in a season like this, its not going to get it done without an ERA under 3, period.

 

and CC has a rough May where he only had 2QS in 6 starts. In the other 3 months, he's thrown 12 QS in 13 starts. The fact of the matter is, Lester and CC are two of the hottest starters in the AL and have been two of the best with Price being ahead of both. Regardless, right now, CC, Lester and Price are probably the top 3

[Dipre]

Incorrect.

 

Top three pitchers in the AL:

 

Cliff Lee

 

Jon Lester

 

David Price.

 

And by the way, a "negligible" advantage is still an advantage.

 

When and if CC reaches the statistical exellence Cliff Lee has shown this season (0.95 WHIP in 112 IP with a 15.17 K/BB) you can rank CC above Lee.

 

His eight wins are low, but he just got moved to a high-power offense, and to a difficult ballpark that probably won't hurt him very much.

 

Stats are stats, and Price, Lester and Lee are statistically superior to Sabathia at the moment, how things unfold in the future we don't know, but currently those are the top three in the AL, and for a shot at the CY, Sabathia needs to outpitch those three.

[Yaz Sideburn]

price, lee, niemann, lester and king felix have all pitched better than sabathia

[Palodios]

I see no reason why CC is better than Felix Hernandez, Cliff Lee, Buchholz, and a few others including Pettite. He's 9th in ERA, and 9th in WHIP, 10th in Ks. IP will only get him so far.

 

Edit: Yaz beat me to it.

[Divinity]

You guys realize Sabathia's ERA is at 1.81 over his past eight starts, winning them all. He was 4-3, with a 4.16 ERA over his first 11 starts, started off slow but now he's on fire.

[redsoxrules]

You guys realize Sabathia's ERA is at 1.81 over his past eight starts' date=' winning them all. He was 4-3, with a 4.16 ERA over his first 11 starts, started off slow but now he's on fire.[/quote']

 

you do realize that the first 11 start count towards his season

he's barely cracking the top 10 for cy at this point

[Palodios]

you do realize that the first 11 start count towards his season

he's barely cracking the top 10 for cy at this point

 

I think he may be criticizing my approach to looking at Lester. But I thought I defended it well enough-- Lester always sucks in April, and he's more likely to keep his hot streak going because he's been incredibly consistent and dominant since then.

[Divinity]

Sure they count but the season is only half over, Teixeira started off slow last year yet he managed to finish second in the AL MVP balloting behind Joe Mauer

[Divinity]

Also CC Sabathia won the Cy Young in 2007, he certainly has the ability to be a front runner for it again

[Palodios]

Sure they count but the season is only half over' date=' Teixeira started off slow last year yet he managed to finish second in the AL MVP balloting behind Joe Mauer[/quote']

 

Texeira and Lester are in similar situations. Texeira and Sabathia are not. Sabathia needs a 2.20 ERA for the rest of the season. One or two more bad starts is all its going to take for him to be out of it completely.

[Yaz Sideburn]

You guys realize Sabathia's ERA is at 1.81 over his past eight starts' date=' winning them all. He was 4-3, with a 4.16 ERA over his first 11 starts, started off slow but now he's on fire.[/quote']

 

you do realize that he's not going to have a 1.81 ERA the rest of the year and he's going to struggle again, right?

[Palodios]

Hey-- I just want an opinion from a Yankee fan on the Bob Sheppard funeral. I'm having a hard time believing that the entire team would be no-shows.

[Yaz Sideburn]

sabathia's struggling. he's given up 6 hits and 3 walks in his first five innings. tampa leads 3-1

[yankees228]

Hey-- I just want an opinion from a Yankee fan on the Bob Sheppard funeral. I'm having a hard time believing that the entire team would be no-shows.

 

I agree, this was odd. I wouldn't expect most of them to be there, but I thought at least Jeter would be there, the guy who still has Sheppard's voice introduce him before at-bats. I haven't heard why they couldn't be there, but I'm assuming it was just too inconvenient.

[yankees228]

Nick Swisher is a pretty damn good hitter.

[RedSoxfanforlife305]

Your saying that because of the walk off tonight against the Rays. Lol not really but damn you pinstripes!

[yankees228]

Your saying that because of the walk off tonight against the Rays. Lol not really but damn you pinstripes!

 

I mean, the walk-off tonight inspired me to post that, but he really has been excellent this year.

[yankees228]

There are some definite similarities between tonight's game and the game following Thurman Munson's death.

[Yaz Sideburn]

it will be interesting to see what swisher does in the second half. he has a career .283 babip and this year it's .345, the highest of his career

[jacksonianmarch]

He has never been a high average guy, so I expect his AVG to come back down to earth. But with that, I also expect his OBP to rise. His OPS might drop a little, but last yr he was in the .870 range and this yr he is at .910, so not much of a difference there. Overall, I see his BA dropping, but his overall worth (power and OBP) staying roughly the same

[jacksonianmarch]

Hey-- I just want an opinion from a Yankee fan on the Bob Sheppard funeral. I'm having a hard time believing that the entire team would be no-shows.

 

There was an accident on one of the local highways that shut traffic down for hours. They could only make the cemetery from what I am told.

[Yaz Sideburn]

why do you expect his obp to rise if his average goes down? he has a career obp of .360. last year was a career year for him, probably not the best bench mark of his ability

[jacksonianmarch]

It's the walks. This season, teams are pitching to him. Once they start pitching around him a bit, his BA will drop and his walks will rise.

[Yaz Sideburn]

teams are probably pitching to him because he's batting in front of the heart of the order this year

[jacksonianmarch]

Very likely. And if he stops hitting, he'll move back down in the order

[Yaz Sideburn]

so just to get this straight, you think he's probably going to stop hitting as well and that's somehow going to improve his on base abilities

[jacksonianmarch]

I think his OPS is gonna end up in the .850+ range and his BA will be around .270.

[jacksonianmarch]

Seems like the Yankees knew Burnett wasnt 100% prior to the game. They had Moseley up early. Wonder if he has a blister or something