New York Yankees Gameday Thread

[a700hitter]

He used to say "relax" a lot too.

[a700hitter]

See who you are dealing with? Relax' date=' this is just the internet my friend.[/quote']Where do you stand on the jason Bay leak about his knees and shoulder?

[yankees228]

I've only really seen your Joe Girardi thread and those were all after the fact. Can you show me posts you made that were critical of Joe' date=' before the moves went badly?[/quote']

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/536052-post199.html

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/536054-post201.html

[Chamomile]

Where do you stand on the jason Bay leak about his knees and shoulder?

 

What leak?

[Chamomile]

http://www.talksox.com/forum/536052-post199.html

 

http://www.talksox.com/forum/536054-post201.html

 

There's no way to prove whether those comments were made before or after his moves didn't work out. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, it's just one of my pet peeves when fans criticize managers for moves they've made after the fact.

[Chamomile]

Sweet, the Yankees are starting to play down to their ability.

[yankees228]

There's no way to prove whether those comments were made before or after his moves didn't work out. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt' date=' it's just one of my pet peeves when fans criticize managers for moves they've made after the fact.[/quote']

 

Wait a second.

 

When I said, "You cannot pitch to Morales here", you really think that is something I would say after that at-bat is over?

 

Then, on my post about Aceves, I said, "It may or may not work out, but it's not the right move". You think that is something I would say after Aceves gave up runs?

 

No Chamomile, you're right, after the results, I went back and questioned Joe's moves, but structured my posts in a way that it seems like I did it beforehand, so I could prove myself when I'm questioned at a later date.

[Lester82]

Should we bring in the old broad from Murder She Wrote to prove that Yankees228 has been critical of his team's manager before a move was made in-game?

[Chamomile]

Wait a second.

 

When I said, "You cannot pitch to Morales here", you really think that is something I would say after that at-bat is over?

 

Then, on my post about Aceves, I said, "It may or may not work out, but it's not the right move". You think that is something I would say after Aceves gave up runs?

 

No Chamomile, you're right, after the results, I went back and questioned Joe's moves, but structured my posts in a way that it seems like I did it beforehand, so I could prove myself when I'm questioned at a later date.

 

I said I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I didn't mean any offense, I'm sorry.

[a700hitter]

What leak?

You are a big Red Sox fan who claims to have a lot of knowledge about the Sox and baseball, but you are asking "what leak?" about Bay's knees. I know who you are.

[yankees228]

I said I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I didn't mean any offense' date=' I'm sorry.[/quote']

 

No offense was taken, but you said you gave me the benefit of the doubt, only after saying that I can't prove I said that beforehand. Besides the fact that, when you read the posts, it's a ridiculous notion, you also seem to be implying something with such a flimsy response.

 

Either way, it doesn't matter. Fact is, I've been critical of Girardi for awhile now, and while I give him credit for many decisions last postseason, I think he's subpar at best.

[Chamomile]

It was an exciting game up until the end. Have a good night everyone!

[Chamomile]

No offense was taken, but you said you gave me the benefit of the doubt, only after saying that I can't prove I said that beforehand. Besides the fact that, when you read the posts, it's a ridiculous notion, you also seem to be implying something with such a flimsy response.

 

Either way, it doesn't matter. Fact is, I've been critical of Girardi for awhile now, and while I give him credit for many decisions last postseason, I think he's subpar at best.

 

Alright, I really didn't mean any offense. I really don't know your track record, I just don't like when fans criticize managers after their moves don't work out, that's all.

[Chamomile]

You are a big Red Sox fan who claims to have a lot of knowledge about the Sox and baseball' date=' but you are asking "what leak?" about Bay's knees. I know who you are.[/quote']

 

It's really not my style to say I'm a baseball expert. I'm a fan, just like anyone else. I think all our point of views should count equally as long as we can back them up.

[a700hitter]

It's really not my style to say I'm a baseball expert. I'm a fan' date=' just like anyone else. I think all our point of views should count equally as long as we can back them up.[/quote']As long as we meet your standard of proof?

[Keeper]

Y228 has been critical of Girardi for a long time. Anyways... read this post on Rotoworld about the A-Rod-Braden incident, and I liked it:

 

1. ARod did what he did on purpose. Braden was pitching well and ARod thought this would be a good tactic to try and rattle him. Which it did. But it also shows ARod knows it's taboo to do it. Bigger picture, ARod is one of those tools who would do something like this and think it's the right way to go about things. Evidence, calling for a flyball in Toronto when rounding the bases...slapping the ball out of Arroyo's glove...taking steroids....all things a classy player wouldn't do and a classless player would.

 

2. Braden overreacted but I liked it. The A's are a young team and beat the Yankees ace yesterday. What I would have liked is to see more Oakland players reacting like Braden did. Remeber when the Rays fought the Red Sox in spring training? Sometimes a young team needs an us against the world mentality and Braden showed he's not afraid of the Evil Empire.

 

3. ARod's reaction only solidified how much class he lacks. Two things I hate in sports...when a player says he's too good for another player and when people say "scoreboard...scoreboard...". Being a great baseball player does not make you a great human being and it's a shame ARod feels it's within his rights to pull bush league moves and then tries to turn his nose up at players who call him out.

[a700hitter]

Even Kim Jones is giving Girardi a hard time about the play at the plate.

[yankees228]

Yankees228' date=' I know we disagreed on whether Jeter and Cano looked good defensively this year earlier. The first UZR stats are out and Jeter and Cano are dead last on the team according to UZR so far this year. It's still very early to make any decisions any their defense but it seems to back up the notion that so far they've struggled to get to some balls.[/quote']

 

Didn't notice this until just now. Based on my understanding of UZR, I'm under the impression that it, possibly more than any other statistic, really loses any relevancy in such a small sample size. I've seen people refer to full years of UZR as a small sample size.

 

Anyway, I know UZR doesn't agree with my assessment of Cano. Watching him everyday, this just isn't something I've ever agreed with. I do acknowledge, however, that I have nothing to back this statement up, and aligning yourself with what the numbers say is a clear edge over my subjective opinion.

[Chamomile]

Even Kim Jones is giving Girardi a hard time about the play at the plate.

 

What did she say?

[Lester82]

Joba is a punk (only Bob Watson turns a blind eye when he beans Youk). Arod is a punk. And horseface was a punk tonight.

[Chamomile]

Didn't notice this until just now. Based on my understanding of UZR, I'm under the impression that it, possibly more than any other statistic, really loses any relevancy in such a small sample size. I've seen people refer to full years of UZR as a small sample size.

 

Anyway, I know UZR doesn't agree with my assessment of Cano. Watching him everyday, this just isn't something I've ever agreed with. I do acknowledge, however, that I have nothing to back this statement up, and aligning yourself with what the numbers say is a clear edge over my subjective opinion.

 

Yeah, defense is so hard to quantify with the naked eye. I can see why you think Cano looks like a good defensive player because he can make some spectacular plays and he has a great arm. To me, the thing that really limits him is his ability to make the routine play, however.

 

UZR really isn't a fair indication of a player's ability in such a small sample size. It's the only legitimate, objective measure of a player's defensive ability that I know of though. I'm sure we'll be revisiting the UZR stats throughout the year.

[Chamomile]

Joba is a punk (only Bob Watson turns a blind eye when he beans Youk). Arod is a punk. And horseface was a punk tonight.

 

Is Teixeira horse face? I always thought that was Posada's nickname.

[yankees228]

Yeah, defense is so hard to quantify with the naked eye. I can see why you think Cano looks like a good defensive player because he can make some spectacular plays and he has a great arm. To me, the thing that really limits him is his ability to make the routine play, however.

 

UZR really isn't a fair indication of a player's ability in such a small sample size. It's the only legitimate, objective measure of a player's defensive ability that I know of though. I'm sure we'll be revisiting the UZR stats throughout the year.

 

Actually, it's not just the spectacular play. Cano has really good range, and an exceptionally strong arm for a second baseman, but his struggles with the routine play have been improving in recent years (from my observations). Three years ago, when he was making the spectacular plays, but struggling with the routine plays, I would have agreed with your assessment.

[Chamomile]

Actually' date=' it's not just the spectacular play. Cano has really good range, and an exceptionally strong arm for a second baseman, but his struggles with the routine play have been improving in recent years (from my observations). Three years ago, when he was making the spectacular plays, but struggling with the routine plays, I would have agreed with your assessment.[/quote']

 

I agree, Cano can make some very high difficulty, rangy plays. At times, he can look like a gold glover. But then he'll boot a routine grounder that he tries to play off to the side. He has a lot of range and he has a very strong, accurate throwing arm. But he either gets lazy or he has bad hands. Those are the only explanations I can think of to explain what I've seen from him his entire career, and what the statistics say about him.

[yankees228]

I agree' date=' Cano can make some very high difficulty, rangy plays. At times, he can look like a gold glover. But then he'll boot a routine grounder that he tries to play off to the side. He has a lot of range and he has a very strong, accurate throwing arm. But he either gets lazy or he has bad hands. Those are the only explanations I can think of to explain what I've seen from him his entire career, and what the statistics say about him.[/quote']

 

I agree with most of this. As I've stated before, I think Cano defensively, considering the whole package, is an average defender. Additionally, I think he has the potential to play well above average, because the talent is clearly there.

[yankees228]

Anyway, I know there was a lot of discussion here about the Teixeira play at home plate. They just interviewed him on the YES post game show, and while there's no way to know if he's telling the truth, I'm inclined to believe that he just made a bit of a mistake, and wasn't trying hurt anyone (or anything of the sort).

 

He talked about speaking to the catcher before the game, and wishing him good luck, and he also talked about calling the clubhouse to find out if he was back from the hospital yet (or something like that).

[Chamomile]

Anyway, I know there was a lot of discussion here about the Teixeira play at home plate. They just interviewed him on the YES post game show, and while there's no way to know if he's telling the truth, I'm inclined to believe that he just made a bit of a mistake, and wasn't trying hurt anyone (or anything of the sort).

 

He talked about speaking to the catcher before the game, and wishing him good luck, and he also talked about calling the clubhouse to find out if he was back from the hospital yet (or something like that).

 

Yeah, I highly doubt Teixeira intentionally injured the catcher, especially because it was the catcher's fault that he was out of position when trying to block the plate that lead to the freak injury. It was a bang-bang play and a tough, split second decision for Teixeira. Running into the catcher when he's blocking the plate is part of the game and if the catcher had his legs in position to make the play, he wouldn't have gotten hurt.

[yankees228]

Yeah' date=' I highly doubt Teixeira intentionally injured the catcher, especially because it was the catcher's fault that he was out of position when trying to block the plate that lead to the freak injury. It was a bang-bang play and a tough, split second decision for Teixeira. Running into the catcher when he's blocking the plate is part of the game and if the catcher had his legs in position to make the play, he wouldn't have gotten hurt.[/quote']

 

I do see the point of the posters arguing the other side of it. Teixeira could have gotten in there with a hook slide. That seemed pretty obvious to me. However, like you said, I just think Teixeira made a split second decision that might not have been the best one, with no ill-intent involved.

[Chamomile]

I do see the point of the posters arguing the other side of it. Teixeira could have gotten in there with a hook slide. That seemed pretty obvious to me. However' date=' like you said, I just think Teixeira made a split second decision that might not have been the best one, with no ill-intent involved.[/quote']

 

I completely agree that he could have gotten there with a hook slide. But like you said, it was a split second decision and I doubt he was trying to injure the catcher.

[yankees228]

Well, disappointing game. It's amazing, outside of two games last September, how infrequently the Yankees pull out close games in Anaheim. AJ, which seems to be the norm away from NYS, wasn't sharp, but he did hang in there and gave them a chance to win.

 

I'd say the most notable part of this game would be Joba, who continues to be very up and down this year. Hopefully, as he readjusts to the routine of being a reliever, he finds more consistency (especially with his velocity), but it remains a huge question mark.