Schilling: Sign Beckett -- Now

[Dipre]

Close' date=' in a couple years he should be. Still has to work on his walks.[/quote']

 

 

What the f*** are you talking about?

 

He gave up basically the same number of walks per 9 innings pitched than CC Sabathia and Tim Lincecum.

[PWNdroia]

What the f*** are you talking about?

 

He gave up basically the same number of walks per 9 innings pitched than CC Sabathia and Tim Lincecum.

 

Ironic how he isn't our #1 starter either. Sabathia pitched more innings. By ace I mean someone who pitches a lot of innings (there are very few in baseball at the moment).

 

An ace is Roy Halladay, the best pitcher in baseball (who Theo did not get).

[Dipre]

Ironic how he isn't our #1 starter either. Sabathia pitched more innings. By ace I mean someone who pitches a lot of innings (there are very few in baseball at the moment).

 

An ace is Roy Halladay, the best pitcher in baseball (who Theo did not get).

 

Jon Lester pitched 203 innings last year.

 

For the 4th time, what the f*** are you talking about?

[Dojji]

http://www.freefoto.com/images/41/22/41_22_56---School-Zone-Road-Traffic-Sign_web.jpg

[riverside sluggers]

Jon Lester pitched 203 innings last year.

 

For the 4th time, what the f*** are you talking about?

 

Dont you see, you cant call someone an ace if they dont throw complete game after complete game?

[Dipre]

Dont you see' date=' you cant call someone an ace if they dont throw complete game after complete game?[/quote']

 

Ohhhhhhhhh yeah.

 

Those "Stop losing streak", "Among the league leaders in QS", "Dependable Power pitcher" things are obviously overrated.

[PWNdroia]

Dont you see' date=' you cant call someone an ace if they dont throw complete game after complete game?[/quote']

 

Exactly my point. On the scale of aces, even Sabathia doesn't rank that high (but higher than Lester).

 

Theo could have gotten his hands on Halladay and we'd have an ace. But no, we don't have him and because Francona does not know how to manage our pitching, it hurts us. Our pitchers need to pitch at least 7 innings every outing. No exceptions. Francona pulls them too early and lets our bullpen get hammered.

[Dipre]

Exactly my point. On the scale of aces, even Sabathia doesn't rank that high (but higher than Lester).

 

Theo could have gotten his hands on Halladay and we'd have an ace. But no, we don't have him and because Francona does not know how to manage our pitching, it hurts us. Our pitchers need to pitch at least 7 innings every outing. No exceptions. Francona pulls them too early and lets our bullpen get hammered.

 

You're an idiot. Reasons:

 

1) Riverside Sluggers was being sarcastic.

 

2) No pitcherof the current era, (not even Halladay) throws seven innings every outing.

 

3) Theo offered half the farm for Halladay, but Ricciardi didn't budge, it takes two teams to make a trade.

 

4) Where the f*** did you come up with this "Ace ranking" system? Sabathia's one of the best pitchers in baseball, so is Lester. Most teams would kill to have either of them headlining their rotation.

[TedWilliams101]

If you aren't satisfied with Beckett and Lester as a teams Aces than you won't ever be satisfied with pitching in baseball... ever. They are two of the top pitchers in baseball right now, it doesn't matter if they aren't HOF worthy GOATs, they are what we have in baseball right now. This "I'd take Lee over Beckett, don't resign Beckett" posts are ridiculous. We have a pitcher who has succeeded big time in Boston and has had a history of dominating in the playoffs (when healthy) and is a big part of the 2007 WS championship. No need to fix something that isn't broken.

[italstallianion]

If you aren't satisfied with Beckett and Lester as a teams Aces than you won't ever be satisfied with pitching in baseball... ever. They are two of the top pitchers in baseball right now' date=' it doesn't matter if they aren't HOF worthy GOATs, they are what we have in baseball right now. This "I'd take Lee over Beckett, don't resign Beckett" posts are ridiculous. We have a pitcher who has succeeded big time in Boston and has had a history of dominating in the playoffs (when healthy) and is a big part of the 2007 WS championship. [b']No need to fix something that isn't broken[/b].

 

 

And there's also no need to ignore a potential way to make your team better. I'm not saying that we should get Lee over Beckett, but just because our rotation "isn't broken", doesn't mean that we can't make it better.

[riverside sluggers]

Here's a "hunch" of my own. Lester is only 25, so we have yet to see him in his prime. He will garner at least one cy young award

[example1]

The problem with this team is not having too few 'ace' caliber starting pitchers. Yes, there are better pitchers out there, but only a handful.

 

This discussion should be had using some sort of regular metric that applies to all players, not some poster's subjective assessment of whether Cliff Lee is better than Josh Beckett or Jon Lester.

[PWNdroia]

The problem with this team is not having too few 'ace' caliber starting pitchers. Yes, there are better pitchers out there, but only a handful.

 

This discussion should be had using some sort of regular metric that applies to all players, not some poster's subjective assessment of whether Cliff Lee is better than Josh Beckett or Jon Lester.

 

Oh I certainly agree that pitching isn't our main problem. But when you have an offense as bad as this, you need an ace pitcher. And we don't have one.

 

Halladay doesn't throw 7 innings on average, but at least he can mow down multiple complete games with only 90 to 100 pitches. Now that is what an ace is about.

[example1]

Oh I certainly agree that pitching isn't our main problem. But when you have an offense as bad as this, you need an ace pitcher. And we don't have one.

 

Halladay doesn't throw 7 innings on average, but at least he can mow down multiple complete games with only 90 to 100 pitches. Now that is what an ace is about.

 

You are overestimating the difference between Halladay and Beckett/Lester/Lackey. The difference is there but marginal. It is closer to the difference between Adrian Gonzalez and Albert Pujols... both are great, one is the best in the game, the other is just one of the best in the game. Both could certainly guide a very good team to a WS.

 

You don't believe OBP is a really important offensive measure, so I take your assessment of the offense with a grain of salt. I too believe that they need more offensive punch before they fully reach their potential, but I think you come to that conclusion based on the wrong premise (i.e., that a team needs 40 HR hitters to be great) so I'm not willing to give you credit for it.

[Dipre]

You are overestimating the difference between Halladay and Beckett/Lester/Lackey. The difference is there but marginal. It is closer to the difference between Adrian Gonzalez and Albert Pujols... both are great, one is the best in the game, the other is just one of the best in the game. Both could certainly guide a very good team to a WS.

 

You don't believe OBP is a really important offensive measure, so I take your assessment of the offense with a grain of salt. I too believe that they need more offensive punch before they fully reach their potential, but I think you come to that conclusion based on the wrong premise (i.e., that a team needs 40 HR hitters to be great) so I'm not willing to give you credit for it.

 

That's because he's a f***ing idiot who has no idea what he's talking about. I'm trying not to be abrasive, but srsly.

[TedWilliams101]

And there's also no need to ignore a potential way to make your team better. I'm not saying that we should get Lee over Beckett' date=' but just because our rotation "isn't broken", doesn't mean that we can't make it better.[/quote']

 

If Lee could be had cheaper, then I'd be all for getting Lee over Beckett, but we all know he won't be. At a similar price, I'm going with Beckett because he's already succeed on THIS team. That's big to me. Sure, Lee would likely dominate in Boston too, but we don't know that for sure, just as we don't know if he will have the same chemistry that Beckett has with this team. I'll take the guy who's been here for a while and has succeeded over someone who has had slightly more success in a different division. That's what I mean by "If it 'aint broken, it doesn't need to be fixed."

[Teddyballgame10]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/dan_shaughnessy/03/22/beckett/index.html?eref=sihp

 

Take it for what it is worth.

[BoSox21]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/dan_shaughnessy/03/22/beckett/index.html?eref=sihp

 

Take it for what it is worth.

 

From that article...

 

Many scribes, including SI.com's estimable Jon Heyman, are saying that the Sox and Beckett will come to terms on a contract extension sometime in the next two weeks before the Sox play the Yankees in the season-opener on Easter Sunday night.

 

Well that's interesting...

[riverside sluggers]

A source told ESPN Boston's Gordon Edes Saturday that the Red Sox will not go beyond four years in an extension with Josh Beckett.

It's not a surprise, but the news is sure to upset Beckett, who's a free agent at the conclusion of this season. The Red Sox signed John Lackey to a five-year, $82.5 million contract this winter but probably don't want to get locked into monster deals with too many over-30 pitchers. Beckett, 30 in May, turned in a 17-6 record, 3.86 ERA, 1.19 WHIP and 199 strikeouts last year.

[jacksonianmarch]

If they dont go to 5 or more yrs after giving Lackey 5 yrs, then I dont see Beckett staying. He'd get a 6 yr deal on the open market

[Keeper]

If Beckett wants more years than the Sox are willing to offer, let the baby walk and sign Cliff Lee.

[Dipre]

If they dont go to 5 or more yrs after giving Lackey 5 yrs' date=' then I dont see Beckett staying. He'd get a 6 yr deal on the open market[/quote']

 

From who?

 

He'd probably get 5/100, not 6/120 as you state.

[jacksonianmarch]

If Beckett wants more years than the Sox are willing to offer' date=' let the baby walk and sign Cliff Lee.[/quote']

 

Do you really think you'll be alone in chasing Cliff Lee? I think next offseason is setting up to be another spendfest in NY with Cliff Lee being on the menu.

 

And Dipre, I think there will be a lot of multi-yr offers out there with multiple teams going 5 yrs and at least one team going 6 yrs. Remember, he's pitching like an ace in the AL, imagine how he'd look to a team like the dodgers who are starting Vicente Padilla on opening day.

[Dipre]

The Dodgers, with all their issues, are exactly the type of team that does not have the resources to be handing 6-year, 120 million deals to pitchers.

[Spudboy]

Sox won't go more than four years on Beckett?

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/mlb/news/story?id=5034231

[BSN07]

4 years with 1 or 2 vesting options @ 17-20M annually would be a good offer that I bet Beckett would be tempted to take.

[riverside sluggers]

I think its because the 4 year extension would be on top of this coming season, basically it would be 6 year commitment. Def think 4/$68 is be nice starting point

[BSN07]

I think its because the 4 year extension would be on top of this coming season' date=' basically it would be 6 year commitment. Def think 4/$68 is be nice starting point[/quote']

 

I can see them going to 5 years if he will take the same kind of clause Lackey did. It can be something like if he misses X amount of games or has surgery of some sort on his shoulder, it adds a year to the deal at league minimum salary.

[Dipre]

5/95 with a $22 mill vesting option based on IP. Get it done.

[BSN07]

5/95 with a $22 mill vesting option based on IP. Get it done.

 

Let's play a little "Who hangs up first?"

 

4/80 with no clauses