Jason Bay going to the Mets

[Dipre]

and that performance is incredibly variable season to season. It is a miserable way to measure someone's worth.

 

Did you actually read what i said in the post?

 

If you did, what are you talking about?

 

If you didn't please go back and do so.

[italstallianion]

I definitely see a pattern. And it is YOU taking any and all opportunities to challenge or attack Dipre about anything. It's really stupid. And immature.

 

This board would be well served if you would see fit to retire to your bedroom with your 8"x11'' glossy of Ferguson Jenkins and a new supply of Kleenex.

 

 

 

 

Or in my case, Erin Andrews.

[Spudboy]

Or in my case' date=' Erin Andrews.[/quote']

 

:lol::lol:

 

She does have a nice ass.

[Imperial59]

Did you actually read what i said in the post?

 

If you did, what are you talking about?

 

If you didn't please go back and do so.

 

Does he ever read what we say before he indulges in his verbal handjobs for the Yankees?

[Dipre]

Does he ever read what we say before he indulges in his verbal handjobs for the Yankees?

 

Thank You.

[Plumpamania]

I heard Derek Jeter was cute...

[BSN07]

They were right about Pedro' date=' [b']but Damon proves they're not flawless when it comes to their evaluations[/b].

 

Really? They weren't right to think Damon would break down and not be an everyday CF?

[Plumpamania]

Really? They weren't right to think Damon would break down and not be an everyday CF?

 

Gee didn't he finish up in LF/DH for the Yankees?

[Dipre]

Gee didn't he finish up in LF/DH for the Yankees?

 

Of course not.

 

And even though half the league was worried about Bay's defense declining to the point where he would reach Hideki Matsui levels, and several articles have been written about it, (many of which i have posted) i'm making it up. Specially according to Jacko.

[Keeper]

If you believe in UZR, Ellsbury isn't much of a CF. Would Damon really have been any worse? Maybe, but not significantly.

 

Fact: Damon has played a lot more games in the outfield than DH for the Yankees and has been more productive than Ellsbury. He hasn't broke down.

[Dipre]

If you believe in UZR, Ellsbury isn't much of a CF. Would Damon really have been any worse? Maybe, but not significantly.

 

Fact: Damon has played a lot more games in the outfield than DH for the Yankees and has been more productive than Ellsbury. He hasn't broke down.

 

The assumption was that he would no longer be able to play CF by the end of his contract.

 

Fact: Damon became a LF, and didn't play even 2/3 of his contract as an everyday CF.

[Spudboy]

If you believe in UZR, Ellsbury isn't much of a CF. Would Damon really have been any worse? Maybe, but not significantly.

 

Fact: Damon has played a lot more games in the outfield than DH for the Yankees and has been more productive than Ellsbury. He hasn't broke down.

 

Try again, Teach.

[jacksonianmarch]

Of course not.

 

And even though half the league was worried about Bay's defense declining to the point where he would reach Hideki Matsui levels, and several articles have been written about it, (many of which i have posted) i'm making it up. Specially according to Jacko.

 

This is a completely outlandish quote. Nobody said anything about Matsui levels. Cmon now.

[Dipre]

This is a completely outlandish quote. Nobody said anything about Matsui levels. Cmon now.

 

Do you ever read what others say before you post?

 

Seriously, this is a completely honest question.

 

Read this, which was posted by me in response to Doiji right before you started the shitstorm:

 

But Bay comes with baggage: he strikes out often (162 times last season) and has hit .300 only once in his career. His defense is also a potential problem, given that he won’t have the Green Monster to cover up his flaws in the field.

 

Instead, Citi Field could expose him as “a notch above (Hideki) Matsui” in the words of one talent evaluator. The Red Sox were sufficiently worried about Bay’s long-term durability; his knees and shoulders are what could keep Bay from passing this weekend’s physical in New York.

 

Bob Klapisch, Foxsports.com

 

[Keeper]

Try again' date=' Teach.[/quote']

 

Nicest member on Talksox. You'd better be nice because you're not very knowledgeable, Spud. Case in point: Jason Bay is a middling talent.

 

Games played from 2006-2009 with the Yankees:

 

149

141

143

143

 

Yep, Damon has really broke down.

[Dipre]

Nicest member on Talksox. You'd better be nice because you're not very knowledgeable, Spud. Case in point: Jason Bay is a middling talent.

 

Games played from 2006-2009 with the Yankees:

 

149

141

143

143

 

Yep, Damon has really broke down.

 

You keep avoiding the point.

 

How many of those games were played in CF?

[Keeper]

I'm not avoiding the point at all. He said Damon broke down. He hasn't. He played more games in LF than in CF, but that doesn't mean he wasn't capable of playing CF. They had better options defensively. From the looks of things Ellsbury is, at best, marginally better defensively and much worse offensively than Damon.

[diony]

213.

[Dipre]

I'm not avoiding the point at all. He said Damon broke down. He hasn't. He played more games in LF than in CF' date=' but that doesn't mean he wasn't capable of playing CF. They had better options defensively. From the looks of things Ellsbury is, at best, marginally better defensively and much worse offensively than Damon.[/quote']

 

Strawman.

 

We're not comparing Ellsbury to Damon.

 

We're talking about the Sox deeming Damon "not a CF option" towards the end of his contract.

[Keeper]

Straw man, my ass. I haven't misrepresented anyone's position.

 

Spud said Damon has broke down.

 

I demonstrated that he hasn't broke down.

 

And comparing Damon to Ellsbury is perfectly logical. Sox retain Damon's services. Ellsbury doesn't play. Offense is better. Defense is marginally worse or a push.

[diony]

Don't forget Coco Crisp.

[Red Foreman]

Back on topic' date=' isn't is possible the FO was wrong about Bay's deteriorating health? They were dead wrong on Damon being finished.[/quote']

 

He was finished defensively, no way could he handle CF and the Sox were set at LF during that time.

[Dipre]

Straw man, my ass. I haven't misrepresented anyone's position.

 

Spud said Damon has broke down.

 

I demonstrated that he hasn't broke down.

 

And comparing Damon to Ellsbury is perfectly logical. Sox retain Damon's services. Ellsbury doesn't play. Offense is better. Defense is marginally worse or a push.

 

The Sox weren't expecting Ellsbury to replace Damon at that moment. They were targeting Coco Crisp after the Yanks got him.

 

Also:

 

Johnny Damon played 576 games with the Yankees throughout four seasons.

 

In those four seasons, he played 213 games at CF.

[jacksonianmarch]

The argument wasnt his ability to play CF at the time. It was that he wouldnt make the field. Regardless, the point is moot. Damon was a great fit for NY and would have at the very least been a pretty good fit for Boston.

[Dipre]

The argument wasnt his ability to play CF at the time. It was that he wouldnt make the field. Regardless' date=' the point is moot. Damon was a great fit for NY and would have at the very least been a pretty good fit for Boston.[/quote']

 

Who was under contract to play LF in Fenway until at least the end of 2008?

[jacksonianmarch]

They may have decided not to go after JD Drew if they had Damon and moved Manny back to RF. They had options. Regardless, the point is moot. The sox were wrong on that one. They were right on Pedro. It remains to be seen on Bay, but I dont think you can make the same assumption if he is hurt since the DH position isnt available to him in Flushing

[Dipre]

They may have decided not to go after JD Drew if they had Damon and moved Manny back to RF. They had options. Regardless' date=' the point is moot. The sox were wrong on that one. They were right on Pedro. It remains to be seen on Bay, but I dont think you can make the same assumption if he is hurt since the DH position isnt available to him in Flushing[/quote']

 

Think about this one.

 

Manny in RF at Fenway.

 

Really?

 

Also, no one has ever said he's hurt, but that there were concerns about his ability to play the field throughout the duration of the contract. Concerns about the state of his knee/shoulder =/= he's injured.

[jacksonianmarch]

Damon played the field. He never had a problem taking the field. IMO, he wasnt that bad defensively until this past season.

[Spudboy]

I'm not avoiding the point at all. He said Damon broke down. He hasn't. He played more games in LF than in CF' date=' but that doesn't mean he wasn't capable of playing CF. They had better options defensively. From the looks of things Ellsbury is, at best, marginally better defensively and much worse offensively than Damon.[/quote']

 

Lol.

 

No you aren't avoiding THE point. You just don't know the English language well enough to recognize my point. I'm glad you won't be teaching English to my children.

 

Learn to conjugate (and to proof read).

 

By the way, I made no reference to Bay or Damon.

 

[Dipre]

Damon played the field. He never had a problem taking the field. IMO' date=' he wasnt that bad defensively until this past season.[/quote']

 

He had the option of playing the corners at YS, that option did not exist at Fenway. Playing either him with his weak arm or Manny for being Manny at RF in Fenway would have been suicide.