Mike Lowell traded to Texas, Max Ramirez to Boston (Deal is off)

[ORS]

How about a hybrid? James Earl Shatner.

[Paradisecity]

Do you like it because they are going to pay the Yankee rate for production? In that scenario' date=' the Sox will pay about 2/3 of what the Yankees pay for their 3B, and they'll get about 2/3 the production.[/quote']

 

 

 

And only a portion of the gayness.

[BSN07]

The deal is said to be roughly 75% done, according to Daniel Barbarisi and Joe McDonald of the Providence Journal.

 

In all honesty. Isn't Max Ramirez about the most you could hope for prospect potential wise in return for 1 year of Lowell? Even if it does cost 9M?

[Red Foreman]

I stated earlier this off season the Sox should trade for Miggy and take on Magglio as an add on. It's like 40M of the books this season, and like 140M(?) overall.

 

 

<_ wow do you not get how the market works figgins just got years per. please explain is beltre going to manage a season he will at around with an option for maybe possibly year deal. but if anyone signs him over aav there idiots. only was boras manages on multi deal has risque pics of gm old boy from thailand.>

 

Your Brain, use it

 

 

 

Not surprising, it has to go to the commissioner's office before it's done anyways.

 

 

 

Beltre rejected arbitration which would have guaranteed him about $13M for one year, he won't be signing for 2 yrs @ 7-9M per. I agree with you that that is about the max he should get but Boras has a way...

[Gom]

Do you like it because they are going to pay the Yankee rate for production? In that scenario' date=' the Sox will pay about 2/3 of what the Yankees pay for their 3B, and they'll get about 2/3 the production.[/quote']

 

Beltre isn't half the player Arod is. I wouldn't expect you to understand that. Enjoy the wild card, if you get that far.

[Keeper]

Morgan Freeman has a soothing voice.

[Red Foreman]

Beltre isn't ideal, but I think the anti-Beltre crowd is guilty of two things. One, they are understating the impact of putting his swing into Fenway Park. Two, they are overstating how much the people that would support signing him like him. I don't think anyone that would be in favor of signing Beltre thinks he's "the missing piece".

 

To the first point, peruse his career hit chart at mlb.com in his player page and look at his performance in Safeco, and select HR, 2B, and FO to be shown. Draw the line where Fenway's LF fence would be (approximately). It's easy to see that his 48 HR could easily get up into the 65-70 range, while maintaing his 2B total as some of those FB turn into doubles. Does this make him a superstar? No, but without running the calculations, I could see his career home split approaching his career road split, which is a .826 OPS.

 

This isn't elite for a 3B. Not on the offensive side, but there's more to the game. Beltre is consistently one of the best defensive 3B in the game. If you were to, fairly IMO, assume a moderate increase in offense due to park, turn his defense into average to below average and add the run value to his offense, and you are talking about Troy Glaus circa 2008.

 

I can get onboard with that, but that doesn't mean I'll set my britches on fire if it doesn't happen.

 

My concern is he blocks a bigger move down the road should Miggy or Gonzalez hit the market. I disagree that Theo will get a good deal on him so that means the guy will be a main stay for some time. If he can be had for the 2yrs @ $7-9M per I'm for this move otherwise, pass and wait for something bigger, even if it means mid-season.

[ORS]

Beltre isn't half the player Arod is. I wouldn't expect you to understand that. Enjoy the wild card' date=' if you get that far.[/quote']

He's certainly half, but in reality, it was a joke, so that doesn't matter. Nice overreaction. Window licker.

[Gom]

He's certainly half' date=' but in reality, it was a joke, so that doesn't matter. Nice overreaction. Window licker.[/quote']

 

What the hell is a window licker? Never heard that term before.

[BSN07]

]My concern is he blocks a bigger move down the road should Miggy or Gonzalez hit the market.[/b] I disagree that Theo will get a good deal on him so that means the guy will be a main stay for some time. If he can be had for the 2yrs @ $7-9M per I'm for this move otherwise' date=' pass and wait for something bigger, even if it means mid-season.[/quote']

 

DH opens up next season. So I doubt having a log jam of solid MLB players for half a couple months is a bad thing.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Beltre is a ticket to mediocrity. You lock up that versatility that VMart and Youkilis give you by buying Beltre to play 3b and you do it for a marginal benefit while spending lots of money in the process. Beltre is a Boras guy' date=' he's getting $10 mil a yr or thereabouts for 3+ seasons and you then deal Lowell and eat $9 million. Is having Beltre really worth $19 million in 2010? I just don't get it.[/quote']

What the hell are you talking about?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

What the hell is a window licker? Never heard that term before.

You lick windows on the short bus, I think is what he's moving towards.

[BSN07]

What the hell is a window licker? Never heard that term before.

 

 

euphemism for a person of mentally challenged status. Derived from the stereotyped behavior of mentally challenged people, observed to place their open mouths into prolonged contact with the external windows of public or private transport on which they are seated.

[BSN07]

What the hell are you talking about?

 

9M- Lowell

10M- Beltre

[Rdsxmbnt]

What the hell are you talking about?

 

Beltre at 10 mil (unrealistically high) + 9mil paid to lowell to get rid of him = 19 mil this season for the 3B hole + Max Ramirez

[BSN07]

Beltre at 10 mil (unrealistically high) + 9mil paid to lowell to get rid of him = 19 mil this season for the 3B hole + Max Ramirez

 

Pay 19M for Beltre and a top Catching prospect or 12M for a declining veteran that has warranted question marks... Hmmm

[callandor1000]

Why is everyone going crazy? Nothing is official. I don't think this will happen. If it does, I don't think Beltre will be their target. He's a feint. Epstein will go his magical way and pull Adrian Gonzalez out of his ass. Not that Youk is a defensive wizz at 3rd and I'd rather not see him there.

[italstallianion]

Beltre at 10 mil (unrealistically high) + 9mil paid to lowell to get rid of him = 19 mil this season for the 3B hole + Max Ramirez

 

 

Plus it's not paying an EXTRA $19 million, it's paying a total of $19 million. It's only paying $6.5 million extra (minus the cost of Max Ramirez), since you'd normally be paying 12.5 million for Lowell and now you're paying 19 million for Beltre AND Ramirez (and that's assuming that Beltre is at 10 mil/year.

 

And in my opinion, Beltre's defense plus Max Ramirez is not bad for 6.5 million. And I doubt that Beltre will get 10 mil/year which will bring the difference down further.

[BSN07]

Why is everyone going crazy? Nothing is official. I don't think this will happen. If it does' date=' I don't think Beltre will be their target. He's a feint. Epstein will go his magical way and pull Adrian Gonzalez out of his ass. Not that Youk is a defensive wizz at 3rd and I'd rather not see him there.[/quote']

 

Beltre is the best option available right now. If Adrian and/or Miggy is made available tomorrow, then they are the better options.

[callandor1000]

Beltre is the best option available right now. If Adrian and/or Miggy is made available tomorrow' date=' then they are the better options.[/quote']

 

But the fact still remains, that this trade hasn't even happened yet. The Red Sox still have Lowell. The only networks reporting it are some of the lowest of the lows with the Red Sox denying that the trade had taken place just an hour ago.

[BSN07]

Plus it's not paying an EXTRA $19 million, it's paying a total of $19 million. It's only paying $6.5 million extra (minus the cost of Max Ramirez), since you'd normally be paying 12.5 million for Lowell and now you're paying 19 million for Beltre AND Ramirez (and that's assuming that Beltre is at 10 mil/year.

 

And in my opinion, Beltre's defense plus Max Ramirez is not bad for 6.5 million. And I doubt that Beltre will get 10 mil/year which will bring the difference down further.

 

Like I said, outside of a one year deal it would be dumb to give him 10M+ a year. Not when Figgins just got 9M and Pedro Feliz got 4.5. Every GM is going to point to those deals. I'm not sure there is a team desperate enough out there for Beltre's services to over pay for him.

 

Maybe they plan on sending Youk to 3B and playing Ramirez/Martinez at C/1B and Beltre isn't part of the plans.

[BSN07]

But the fact still remains' date=' that this trade hasn't even happened yet. The Red Sox still have Lowell. The only networks reporting it are some of the lowest of the lows with the Red Sox denying that the trade had taken place just an hour ago.[/quote']

 

I've already commented on this. But since you apparently didn't read the whole conversation I have already stated I know it's not a final deal and Mike Lowell might be the manning 3B come opening day which is fine for me as well. I don't mind the Lowell/Youk/Martinez rotation for another year.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

9M- Lowell

10M- Beltre

 

Beltre at 10 mil (unrealistically high) + 9mil paid to lowell to get rid of him = 19 mil this season for the 3B hole + Max Ramirez

 

We have $54 million coming off the books this offseason. Considering that, I'd say paying $19 million for a bat and a decent C/1B/DH hitter isn't a huge deal.

[callandor1000]

I've already commented on this. But since you apparently didn't read the whole conversation I have already stated I know it's not a final deal and Mike Lowell might be the manning 3B come opening day which is fine for me as well. I don't mind the Lowell/Youk/Martinez rotation for another year.

 

The whole conversation is 12 pages long of people dicking around. I went through about 4 of them before it seemed hopeless. And I wasn't pointing out that to you, per se. I just don't get why there is 12 pages of people panicking/getting excited over nothing official.

[BSN07]

The whole conversation is 12 pages long of people dicking around. I went through about 4 of them before it seemed hopeless. And I wasn't pointing out that to you' date=' per se. I just don't get why there is 12 pages of people panicking/getting excited over nothing official.[/quote']

 

Because it's the first news there has been to talk about. What happens if you throw a T-Bone to a starving pack of Wolves?

 

Get what I'm saying?

[rhet]

A few more numbers to chew on...

 

Beltre's OBP against right handed pitchers:

2006 .321

2007 .314

2008 .290

2009 .271

 

Oh, and for what it's worth, he slugged .335 and had 30 RBIs in 339 PAs against righties last year.

[RedSoxRooter]

I have to think that the only way you get rid of Lowell is by replacing him with Youk at third. I think the Sox are looking for VMart and MaxRam to cover catcher/first in a platoon type situation full time until VMart eventually takes over first full time and MaxRam becomes the full time catcher - provided of course he's not a bust... I still think they sox will go after more pitching for some reason. And hellz no, I don't want Beltre. He took one crazy postseason and turned it into a retirement fund.

[Cocos Disciples]

I have to think that the only way you get rid of Lowell is by replacing him with Youk at third. I think the Sox are looking for VMart and MaxRam to cover catcher/first in a platoon type situation full time until VMart eventually takes over first full time and MaxRam becomes the full time catcher - provided of course he's not a bust... I still think they sox will go after more pitching for some reason. And hellz no' date=' I don't want Beltre. He took one crazy postseason and turned it into a retirement fund.[/quote']

 

You're thinking of Beltran's 2004 postseason I think. Beltre took his 48 HRs in the 2004 regular season and turned that into a retirement fund.

 

But I would be upset if the Martinez/Ramirez platoon is what the Sox have going into 2010. I have to think Theo is going to sign Beltre or has a blockbuster trade up his sleeve (probably Beltre, but I can dream).

[redsoxrules]

A few more numbers to chew on...

 

Beltre's OBP against right handed pitchers:

2006 .321

2007 .314

2008 .290

2009 .271

 

Oh, and for what it's worth, he slugged .335 and had 30 RBIs in 339 PAs against righties last year.

 

what about his HR and RBI's that you chewed Drew for ?

 

its funny how you change your way of judging players

 

beltre drives in alot of runs, so why not like him ?

[TheKilo]

LOL, this is very hilarious comming from you

 

remember the Drew argument ? you were saying over and over on how he sucks because his RBI's total were low and that his OBP is useless? remember that ?

 

I'm quite shocked actualy that you dont like beltre cause his HR and rbi totals are pretty good witch is what you like

 

care to explain ?

 

 

Now I could be wrong but I think Mr. Rhet is trying to make a point.