2009 Yankees Game Thread

[RedRuffing15]

Every player has a certain way they display their emotions, I laughed when I saw Huff do it [because it was clever] and I laughed harder when they made it a big deal on ESPN. When Joba gets a big 8th inning strikeout, hes not allowed to be excited, but when Papelbon gets the save, he can go 10 times over the top of what Joba does? That doesn't make sense.

 

When your a reliever, its your job to get through an inning, the time Huff was angry about was a battle of jobs, Joba's job to get Huff out[and send it to Mo] vs Huff's job to tie the game, Joba won, he was happy. Just like last night when it was Papelbon's job to save the game, which he did so he celebrated. For those of you who have played on organized sports teams before, you know you have emotions running, and when you succeed in a sense, you should be happy. I play on my colleges' tennis team, and I know when I have a ace or a spike, I get emotional, especially when the odds are against me.

 

I think baseball is the best sport in terms of players celebrating/displaying their emotions, footballs the worst in over-the-top and basketball is like courtside cinema. Baseball players have their Tiger Woods fist-pump and some people like Joba pump harder. I have no problems with players celebrating doing good and since everyones favorate team does it all the time, no one should really dictate when its appropriate or when its not and if they got a problem, mimic it like Huff on a beat and then move on.

[Teddyballgame10]

I have no problem with players celebrating. Papelbon does it after the end of every game. Joba does it. I don't see the problem with it.

 

Joba does it when he is losing or k'ing the first batter. If Papelbon did that or after he blew a save I'd be pissed. He whats till he seals the deal though.

[TheKilo]

Every player has a certain way they display their emotions' date=' I laughed when I saw Huff do it [because it was clever'] and I laughed harder when they made it a big deal on ESPN. When Joba gets a big 8th inning strikeout, hes not allowed to be excited, but when Papelbon gets the save, he can go 10 times over the top of what Joba does? That doesn't make sense.

 

 

I'll give you a chance to figure out why this is the case.

[ARod2212]

Joba does it when he is losing or k'ing the first batter.

I love how everyone says Joba pumps his fist after every strike he throws. You clearly don't watch him pitch, as he really only does it in big spots. It was exaggerated because as a set up man, he was always in a big spot. A first inning strikeout of Nick Punto, and he'll walk off the mound to the left and wipe his brow.

 

Fine, he was losing in the Boston game. But he can't be pumped for K'ing an important batter with two on and two out? It's not like the game was 10-2, it was still close, and that was a big moment to keep the Yankees in the game. People make way too big a deal out of it.

 

I really don't care about the Huff thing. Although, I'd be embarassed if I were him. Joba has an emotional response to getting a big out, Huff is acting like a clown. If you think what Joba does is immature, then don't "stoop" to that level. If you want baseball played the right way, then walk back to the dugout and act like a 'professional'. You're talking out of both sides of his mouth by doing that.

[BoSox21]

When Joba gets a big 8th inning strikeout' date=' hes not allowed to be excited, but when Papelbon gets the save, he can go 10 times over the top of what Joba does? That doesn't make sense.[/quote']

 

When Papelbon recovers from allowing the first two batters on and then striking out the side to win a big game and a series against a team that's been our white whale, it looks a little more like genuine enthusiam then when Joba drills a guy in the ribs cause he walked the previous batter, yells out f*** at the umpire cause he forgot to give him the dugout-to-dugout strikezone he'd had all game and then fist pumps like he had just learned he can share a line of coke during a conjugal visit with his mother after the strikes a guy out despite the fact that his team is LOSING because of the river of s*** he unleashed during his first inning performance.

[TheKilo]

 

Fine, he was losing in the Boston game. But he can't be pumped for K'ing an important batter with two on and two out? It's not like the game was 10-2, it was still close, and that was a big moment to keep the Yankees in the game. People make way too big a deal out of it.

 

 

He got himself into that jam (a) for whining on a close call that he didn't get when Ortiz was up and ( intentionally hitting Jason Bay.

[Dipre]

When Papelbon recovers from allowing the first two batters on and then striking out the side to win a big game and a series against a team that's been our white whale' date=' it looks a little more like genuine enthusiam then when Joba drills a guy in the ribs cause he walked the previous batter, [b']yells out f*** at the umpire cause he forgot to give him the dugout-to-dugout strikezone he'd had all game and then fist pumps like he had just learned he can share a line of coke during a conjugal visit with his mother after the strikes a guy out despite the fact that his team is LOSING because of the river of s*** he unleashed during his first inning performance.[/b]

 

Siganture.Worthy.

[jacksonianmarch]

Let the sox fans whine about Joba yet pass Papelbon through. Its a common double standard that we'll see on this site in favor of the sox and on yankee sites in favor of the yankees. I dont care if he did a somersault and pissed on a 2 yr old in the front row. If he gets the out, then great. I just wish he'd be that pumped in the first inning.

[TheKilo]

Let the sox fans whine about Joba yet pass Papelbon through. Its a common double standard that we'll see on this site in favor of the sox and on yankee sites in favor of the yankees. I dont care if he did a somersault and pissed on a 2 yr old in the front row. If he gets the out' date=' then great. I just wish he'd be that pumped in the first inning.[/quote']

 

Psssst...it isn't a double standard when it isn't an apples to apples comparison, and I'll let you figure that out.

[ORS]

I really don't care about the Huff thing. Although' date=' I'd be embarassed if I were him. Joba has an emotional response to getting a big out, Huff is acting like a clown. If you think what Joba does is immature, then don't "stoop" to that level. If you want baseball played the right way, then walk back to the dugout and act like a 'professional'. You're talking out of both sides of his mouth by doing that.[/quote']

This misses the point of what Huff did. Huff acting like a clown is intentional, it's mockery. It's over the top, just like Joba's original, and genuine, reaction was. Mockery is purposeful. It says to the target, regardless of whether your actions were genuine or not, we don't approve. If they turn the other cheek, as you suggest, then nothing gets communicated. Embarrassment can be very motivational, and Huff took the opportunity he had to send the message that he wanted to.

 

I would have no problem if someone did the same to Papelbon, he's earned whatever response he gets.

[a700hitter]

This misses the point of what Huff did. Huff acting like a clown is intentional, it's mockery. It's over the top, just like Joba's original, and genuine, reaction was. Mockery is purposeful. It says to the target, regardless of whether your actions were genuine or not, we don't approve. If they turn the other cheek, as you suggest, then nothing gets communicated. Embarrassment can be very motivational, and Huff took the opportunity he had to send the message that he wanted to.

 

I would have no problem if someone did the same to Papelbon, he's earned whatever response he gets.

Exactly, if you are gonna dish that crap, then you have go to take it when someone gets you. If more guys show up Joba, he'll cut out his crap, because he's not that good. He's been giving up big bombs every game.

[Gom]

So you don't think his display last week was embarrassing in the least?

 

No. Not at all, not in the slightest. He plays hard, he does the best he can, and he plays with emotion. What's wrong? That he get's pumped up when he strikes someone out? Get serious.

 

So a player shouldn't clap his hands after he gets a hit, or high-five a teammate in the dugout after he scores to bring his team to within 5 runs? Papelbon goes nuts after a save, last night's performance was hardly earth-shattering, he allowed two baserunners, and you'd think he just won the World Series.

 

My point is, celebrations should be a part of the game, and I'd love to see more of it. It pumps up players, gets the crowd into it, and makes it more fun. No harm at all, Kilo.

[Gom]

I would have no problem if someone did the same to Papelbon' date=' he's earned whatever response he gets.[/quote']

As long as Paps or Joba don't fire one in their ear the next time, I got no problems with either of them getting pumped up and showing their emotions.

[a700hitter]

No. Not at all, not in the slightest. He plays hard, he does the best he can, and he plays with emotion. What's wrong? That he get's pumped up when he strikes someone out? Get serious.

 

So a player shouldn't clap his hands after he gets a hit, or high-five a teammate in the dugout after he scores to bring his team to within 5 runs? Papelbon goes nuts after a save, last night's performance was hardly earth-shattering, he allowed two baserunners, and you'd think he just won the World Series.

 

My point is, celebrations should be a part of the game, and I'd love to see more of it. It pumps up players, gets the crowd into it, and makes it more fun. No harm at all, Kilo.

3 k's in a row against Pena and the top of the order with the tying run on third base against your chief rival in the division is a big deal. The fact that he did it with no help from the home plate ump-- all strikes were swinging- was a demonstration of pure dominance. A 5th inning strikeout is no biggie.

[TheKilo]

No. Not at all' date=' not in the slightest. He plays hard, he does the best he can, and he plays with emotion. What's wrong? That he get's pumped up when he strikes someone out? Get serious. [/quote']

 

To recap:

 

Joba gives up 4 in the first

Joba gets himself into an unnecessary jam after he hits Bay when he doesn;t get the call to Ortiz

Joba strikes out Lowell and proceeds to fist pump and tell and scream even though his team is losing

 

This is acceptable?

 

So a player shouldn't clap his hands after he gets a hit, or high-five a teammate in the dugout after he scores to bring his team to within 5 runs?

 

None of these events can be construed as showing the other team up.

 

Papelbon goes nuts after a save, last night's performance was hardly earth-shattering, he allowed two baserunners, and you'd think he just won the World Series.

 

After Papelbon got those three outs, it means the Red Sox won the beaseball game. Papelbon goes nuts after his team wins.

 

Not when they give up 4 ER and 5.2 IP and get the loss. Only after a win.

 

My point is, celebrations should be a part of the game, and I'd love to see more of it. It pumps up players, gets the crowd into it, and makes it more fun. No harm at all, Kilo.

 

Question for you - do you think the Joba HBP on Bay was intentional?

[example1]

I think Joba looks like an ass when he celebrates, and I get pumped up when Sox pitchers celebrate after a big out. I like to have it both ways.

 

That said, Joba is, in reality, a pretty unproven starting pitcher who seems to think he's pretty badass--hitting players, yelling at (near?) umps, and pulling off his glove as he struts around the mound after a K. I think he looks like a fool being so cocky, but its fine because it hasn't manifested itself with much success yet. He certainly wasn't celebrating when he was being attacked by flies and blowing the game in the playoffs a few years ago and he wasn't celebrating after their loss to the Sox the other day.

 

I think that celebrating and getting pumped up has its place in the game, even in the middle of a game, even if a player's team is losing. I can imagine Beckett pumping his fist and yelling when he K's a guy in a tough situation if he was previously down 7-0 in the 1st inning but his team has come back to tie it at 7-7 and he gets out of a jam to keep it that way.

 

The point is that sometimes it is appropriate and works, and sometimes it is just a waste of energy.

 

The unfortunate thing for Joba is that he seems like the only one on the team who actually gives enough of a s*** to care or celebrate and so his celebrations go pretty much silently into the wind. The stadium is half full of fans who don't care much and their team isn't good enough to back it up right now.

 

Overall, I prefer seeing Joba lose and celebrate than seeing him not celebrate and win. Keep it up CHamberlain.

[Teddyballgame10]

3 k's in a row against Pena and the top of the order with the tying run on third base against your chief rival in the division is a big deal. The fact that he did it with no help from the home plate ump-- all strikes were swinging- was a demonstration of pure dominance. A 5th inning strikeout is no biggie.

 

Exactly it was two different situations.

 

When Papelbon recovers from allowing the first two batters on and then striking out the side to win a big game and a series against a team that's been our white whale' date=' it looks a little more like genuine enthusiam then when Joba drills a guy in the ribs cause he walked the previous batter, yells out f*** at the umpire cause he forgot to give him the dugout-to-dugout strikezone he'd had all game and then fist pumps like he had just learned he can share a line of coke during a conjugal visit with his mother after the strikes a guy out despite the fact that his team is LOSING because of the river of s*** he unleashed during his first inning performance.[/quote']

 

Haha this was great.

[BoSox21]

I like to have it both ways.

 

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[RedRuffing15]

This misses the point of what Huff did. Huff acting like a clown is intentional, it's mockery. It's over the top, just like Joba's original, and genuine, reaction was. Mockery is purposeful. It says to the target, regardless of whether your actions were genuine or not, we don't approve. If they turn the other cheek, as you suggest, then nothing gets communicated. Embarrassment can be very motivational, and Huff took the opportunity he had to send the message that he wanted to.

 

I would have no problem if someone did the same to Papelbon, he's earned whatever response he gets.

Exactly, if you are gonna dish that crap, then you have go to take it when someone gets you. If more guys show up Joba, he'll cut out his crap, because he's not that good. He's been giving up big bombs every game.

 

ORS has had the best view on this that I've seen. The last five pages have just consisted of people determining when what players can be emotional, its not your call. If a player doesn't like what another's doing, do just like Huff, sure they'll say it didn't matter to them, but it likely will. Next time Joba pitches, he may not be as into]/b] it, but its likely it can build up intensity being shown up. This goes to all players, including Papelbon when/if he blows a potential save moment, which was said in the last line of ORS's post. It seems like people are constantly trying to contort the good, semi-anti-yankee, league related posts into all anti-yankee posts. Either way, I think its safe to just say some fans see this as a pump up, much like when a manager gets tossed from a game, it puts energy into the team, while others see it as too much, Keep the emotions off the field, and thats a fine standpoint too.

[Mr Crunchy]

As much as I f***ING HATE the Yankees I do like Joba Chamberlain's ability to gut out 5ip inspite of really having nothing to write home about.

The other members of that staff have as much charisma as pocket lint but this guy just keeps battling and battling and battling.I dont fear him but i do respect his ability to fight in each of his starts.

The reality is he's over rated.

come september i see him doing mop up work out of the pen or on the disabled list.

[jacksonianmarch]

Wang has thrown 3 perfect innings with 3K thus far. Cashman said he'll need more than one start. I think that'll depend on how Hughes does.

[Dipre]

Bases loaded, no out for Burnett in a scoreless ballgame.

 

He's looking square on the face on a bed-s***ing for the ages, specially against Doc.

 

Two-run double for Scott Rolen, still nobody out, men on 2nd and third.

[BoSox21]

AYYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYY AYYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYY AYYYYYYYYYY JAYYYYYYYYYYY

[Dipre]

Kevin Cash should've framed that throw.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Damn it. Come on Yankees, we need the Jays to lose.

[Youk Of The Nation]

Real pitchers duel going on in Baltimore.

[TheKilo]

Wang has thrown 3 perfect innings with 3K thus far. Cashman said he'll need more than one start. I think that'll depend on how Hughes does.

 

MAKE YOUR PICKS

[Dojji]

HOLY HALLADAY!

 

I can't see Roy not going the distance here.

[redsoxrules]

I'm glad were not seeing Halladay next week in fenway

[TheKilo]

I'd give my left nut to have Halladay on the Sox