ARod tested positive

[26 to 6]

CONSIDER THE SOURCE PEOPLE

f*** you prick.

[a700hitter]

That's actually a fair point' date=' Manny was pretty fat back in 05 too IIRC. Ortiz's recent sharp numbers declines and injuries, seemingly coinciding with the hightened awareness of steroids, is what worries me there though.[/quote']I have said it here before many times. Declining performance and increased injury for plers in their 30's is natural. The only real performance indicator for roids is a player like Bonds, whose performance dramatically improves in his mid to late 30's. That is just not natural.

[Dojji]

Right, which is why Nixon's on the raised-eyebrow list, especially because he hasn't really done anything significant since 2003 (injured in 2004 leading to the Roberts acquisition, hit 13 HR's in 2005, 8 in '06, and 3 in '07)

[TheKilo]

I wouldn't go as far as to call the Mitchell Report a conspiracy' date=' just that you need to consider the sources. They used whatever information they could get, and it just so happens that most of it came from former employees of the NY teams. No conspiracy, he just used what he had and it just so happens that he had more on NY guys than others. If the sources were out of Texas you would have more Rangers and Astros. It's whatever, but everyone thinks that the yankees are guilty more so than any other team, but don't consider the lack of sources close to the other 29 teams.[/quote']

 

I absolutely agree 100%

 

That, and George Mitchell didn't want any Red Sox on the list so he purposely left them off.

 

/diony

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I have said it here before many times. Declining performance and increased injury for plers in their 30's is natural.

 

I just think there's peculiar timing to it.

[a700hitter]

I just think there's peculiar timing to it.

Peculiar timing of his advancing age?

[diony]

Such heightened intellectual discourse, congrats sir.

 

Thank you very much faggot.:harhar:

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Thank you very much faggot.:harhar:

lol

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Peculiar timing of his advancing age?

 

[a700hitter]

What makes you so positive Clemens never juiced in Boston' date=' or tried it? You're just speculating. You have no proof, dickhead.[/quote']Get lockerroom pictures of Clemens in his Red Sox years and you'll not the likeness to the Michelin man. Roiders don't have rolls of fat. Curiously enough though, Clemens was in better shape in the second half of 1996. Canseco was on that team. Clemens second half was phenomenal. His last Fenway start he struck out 20.

[CrespoBlows]

lol

 

What a failure. He's done. Now Bonds is spared.

[RedSoxRooter]

Lol. This is the greatest news I've had all week! I can't wait for the ARoid chants at fenway this summer!

[italstallianion]

Indeed. I'm already thinking of clever signs to bring at Fenway.

[TheKilo]

Thank you very much faggot.:harhar:

 

Do you think you're funny, or clever?

 

You pretty much suck at posting. It'd be best for everyone if you just logged out.

[jacksonianmarch]

I didnt really like ARod that much to begin with. This makes me like him a little less. As far as we know, though, he's been clean since. And it wont have much of an impact on his performance IMO since most people dont like him anyway. Otherwise, I agree with 26 to 6 on this one. This is way more widespread than we thought.

[a700hitter]

MLB must be hating this. Bonds is gone from the game. McGwire is in exile. Sosa is gone. ARod will be around for maybe 8 or so years as a constant reminder of the Roids era. Nothing he accomplishes will ever wipe away the stain. The game will carry the stain until he's gone.

[italstallianion]

Wow, where was I during the 6th grade cafeteria fight??? Relax, girls...

[a700hitter]

I didnt really like ARod that much to begin with. This makes me like him a little less. As far as we know' date=' though, he's been clean since. And it wont have much of an impact on his performance IMO since most people dont like him anyway. Otherwise, I agree with 26 to 6 on this one. This is way more widespread than we thought.[/quote']I think his performance will be impacted. He's a bit of a sensitive wuss. He hates being hated nevermind ridiculed. They'll need to reserve a wing in the clubhouse for his shrinks.

[BoSox21]

It's ironic though that the white knight everyone was waiting for to take back the homerun record turns out to be just as guilty of doping as Bonds

[diony]

It's ironic though that the white knight everyone was waiting for to take back the homerun record turns out to be just as guilty of doping as Bonds

 

I think is too soon to start comparing him with Bonds.

[mtbykr]

Apparently the 2003 samples were supposed to be destroyed, but someone at the PA forgot to fill out the right paperwork and they were never destroyed, so the government got it in a seizure....per ESPN. Whoever this guy is that forgot better be running for the hills.

[BoSox21]

I think is too soon to start comparing him with Bonds.

 

In terms of how close they will be in career numbers or in terms of level of cheating?

[PATS12RULE]

I have said it here before many times. Declining performance and increased injury for plers in their 30's is natural. The only real performance indicator for roids is a player like Bonds' date=' whose performance dramatically improves in his mid to late 30's. That is just not natural.[/quote']

 

Ted Williams hit 38 homers at a .388 clip when he was 38. Probably roided up too.

[diony]

In terms of how close they will be in career numbers or in terms of level of cheating?

 

Level of cheating. We don't know the whole story yet.

[BoSox21]

No, we don't. But I'd be highly skeptical to believe they caught him after he stuck just one syringe into his ass.

 

The treatment he gets from the general public and media won't be as bad simply because he hasn't broken any records and he isn't the ******* Barry is but I'm looking forward to seeing the reaction when he starts approaching Bonds' mark

[PATS12RULE]

This is bad for baseball, A-Rod was supposed to be the post-steroids era 'best player in baseball,' and now he's going to be seen as nothing more than another juicer.

 

This also becomes a huge distraction heading into what's hopefully going to be a great season.

 

Someone, Pujols, Longoria, I don't know, needs to take up the mantle of dominant, fun-to-watch, clean player.

[TheKilo]

nyyfans.com:

 

It was supposed to be a wide-reaching report on the question of steroids in baseball. Why did MLB say that the Mitchell Report will be the final investigation into steroids in baseball if it wasn't meant to be authoritative?

 

Baseball needed names, but more than anything it needed a villain to scapegoat. Enter the Yankees.

[a700hitter]

Ted Williams hit 38 homers at a .388 clip when he was 38. Probably roided up too.

Williams had hit more than 40 homers in a year earlier in his career. Thirty-eight was not a career high for him. In fact, none of his numbers that year were that far off Williams career norms except the .388 (compared to .344 career BA). None of it represented a marked increase in performance. Williams with his 20/10 vision was a complete freak of nature. His performance at age 38 was so unusual that you had to go back 50 years to find a good example. That should tell you something right there. Players in their late 30's as a general rule decline precipitously in performance.

[diony]

Ted Williams hit 38 homers at a .388 clip when he was 38. Probably roided up too.

 

Biggest sample size ever.

[Gom]

We'll know soon enough, there's 103 other players on that list.

 

Wouldn't shock me to find Ortiz, Pedro, or Manny on the list.

Exactly. I wouldn't be shocked if Jeter was on the list. No one is beyond reproach here.