Jason Bay

[jacksonianmarch]

the top offensive FA this offseason received a 23 mil a yr deal for 8 yrs. If the yankees are in the bidding next yr, you better believe it will be a big offer. Dont fool yourself and dont think that this fact will not be brought up by Bay's agent when the sox invariably call his client to the table for a chat about an extension.

[BSN07]

the top offensive FA this offseason received a 23 mil a yr deal for 8 yrs. If the yankees are in the bidding next yr' date=' you better believe it will be a big offer. Dont fool yourself and dont think that this fact will not be brought up by Bay's agent when the sox invariably call his client to the table for a chat about an extension.[/quote']

 

The Yankees will be the only team in the 18M range.

 

Incase you haven't noticed, the Yankees are the only team this offseason to spend more then 10M a season on a player. Unless something unforseen happen with the economy, i don't expect for teams to all the sudden open the wallets back up.

[jacksonianmarch]

manny and dunn will sign for >10. That being said, in this economy, not offering Abreu arbitration was probably the right thing to do

[rician blast]

Anyone ever wonder, with the current CBA expiring in a couple of years, whether a pullback by 90% or so of the teams in MLB (spending wise) could be a pre-cursor to a stoppage and push for a cap?

 

In my mind I don't really think so, but playing devil's advocate, what better way to build a movement to that end than by sitting back and watching the Yanks spend their asses off and win two or three in a row?

 

I still think that enough teams make enough profit and are concerned more with taking $$$ under revenue sharing and grabbing their share of the Yanks luxury tax that it would be difficult, without out and out collusion, to force such a system on the players association.

[jacksonianmarch]

a lot of owners are publicly saying one thing and then privately doing another. Until every team increases their payroll by what they get in revenue sharing and then still cannot compete, then I will believe that the yankees are hurting the sport. But when you have teams like the Rays making the world series and owners whose payrolls are less than what the yankees and sox are giving them in revenue sharing, then nothing will change. And when baseball profits have skyrocketed since the 98 HR chase, it would be a difficult argument to prove. I honestly think that the only way a true salary cap is enacted is if the profits take a serious hit.

[TheLittleEngineThatCould]

Haven't heard a ton of talk about Bay around here lately. All I'm really wondering is this - do you think we get some sort of extension done soon or during the season? Or does he end up hitting FA after 2009? Obviously he fit in well here after the trade and he's a guy I'd like to see the Sox hang on to for the long term.

We don't need to talk about Bay because he knows his role on the team and he does not screw around. All the talk should be about a solid catcher right now to replace our captian V-Tek because he is messing around in Sea World right now and not talking about his future. If he does not do something soon then he is gonna get boned HARD after the s***** season last year.

[Dipre]

On the Bay front' date=' signs are pointing to the yankees dealing one of their OFers. It seems that the yankees are not sold on Damon's capacity to play CF 140 games out of the yr (nor am I), so they are prepared to go with the winner of the ST competition between Melky, Gardner and Jackson. With that said, Matsui and Damon are not going anywhere. Both have NTCs, both have one yr left and both, when healthy are better than the rest. So that RF slot is coming down to Swisher or Nady. And right now, both players are getting lots of interest. If the yankees deal Swisher away, then they will be left with no established OF talent after the season. They will likely have a CFer out of their young guys, but both corners and the DH slot will be empty. I could see them resigning Damon since he fills a need in the leadoff slot, but that would mean both LF/DH and RF are open. That could mean that either Holliday or Bay, or both end up in stripes next yr. [b']I would think that Bay would be a moron to accept an extension right now.

[/b]

Think about it. We'll be looking for a DH or LF (depending on if we resign Damon and where he will play) and definitely a RF. These are the major offensive attractions coming available after this yr.

 

Adam LaRoche

Mark DeRosa

Brian Roberts

Adrian Beltre

Coco Crisp

Johnny Damon

Hideki Matsui

Xavier Nady

Chone Figgins

Jason Bay

Matt Holliday

Aubrey Huff

Jermaine Dye

Miguel Tejada

 

of those players, Bay, Huff, Holliday and Dye are the only ones with great bats right now. Some are decent (LaRoche) others have a different dimension like Figgins. Some are old but could be solid in Damon and Matsui. But Bay and Holliday will both be the cream of the crop. Young, powerful, great eye, middle of the order presences. And after seeing what the top dog from this yr got, I doubt he'd pass up the chance to be the top dog in next yrs class, especially if Holliday struggles outside of coors. If Bay hits the market while the yankees have need for 2 OFers, you better expect Bay's offers to break 15 mil a yr and likely approach 20

 

Explain.

 

Because if the Sox offered 5/80 and he took it, how would that be moronic?

[BSN07]

Explain.

 

Because if the Sox offered 5/80 and he took it, how would that be moronic?

 

Because that wouldn't allow the Yankees to make an offer.

[Dipre]

Because that wouldn't allow the Yankees to make an offer.

 

Your logic has no flaws.

[BSN07]

Your logic has no flaws.

 

The force is strong with me....

[Dipre]

The force is strong with me....

 

Just like the fail is strong in some......

 

Whose names i shall not mention..........

[Redguitar985]

I think Bay stands a pretty good chance to re-sign with Boston this year. If he doesn't re-sign during the season, I say the Yankees will take a look at him anyway in the off-season, but focus on Holliday.

 

I don't know a lot about contracts, but if Bay's making $7.5 this year and Drew signed on for 5/70, I would think Bay could probably get 5/80-90?

 

Carl Crawford could be another big name out there too. How much do you think it would take to get him?

[BSN07]

I think Bay stands a pretty good chance to re-sign with Boston this year. If he doesn't re-sign during the season, I say the Yankees will take a look at him anyway in the off-season, but focus on Holliday.

 

I don't know a lot about contracts, but if Bay's making $7.5 this year and Drew signed on for 5/70, I would think Bay could probably get 5/80-90?

 

Carl Crawford could be another big name out there too. How much do you think it would take to get him?

 

Really depends on the market. If it's like this season, it might only take 10M a year.

 

 

I think TB picks up his option year though. And they will trade him if they can't reach a deal for the long term.

[TheKilo]

Pat Burrell just signed a deal with the Rays for what, 2/16? Adam Dunn and Bobby Abreu haven't even signed yet.

 

I offer Bay a JD Drew deal. 5/70. I really think that's approaching the mac he'll get in this market - he will not come close to a $18 million AAV deal.

[BSN07]

Pat Burrell just signed a deal with the Rays for what, 2/16? Adam Dunn and Bobby Abreu haven't even signed yet.

 

I offer Bay a JD Drew deal. 5/70. I really think that's approaching the mac he'll get in this market - he will not come close to a $18 million AAV deal.

 

I agree Kilo. I was waiting for you to weigh in on this thread. I say 4-5 years at 12-15M could wrap him up.

[diony]

Pat Burrell just signed a deal with the Rays for what, 2/16? Adam Dunn and Bobby Abreu haven't even signed yet.

 

I offer Bay a JD Drew deal. 5/70. I really think that's approaching the mac he'll get in this market - he will not come close to a $18 million AAV deal.

 

Then he won't sign on this market. He's not dumb.

 

Considering the entire Yankee OF is a FA after this season, and that he's one of the best hitters for next year FA class, then he might be wise to wait. Let Matt Holliday set the market for him next season, instead of Milton Bradley now.

[BSN07]

Then he won't sign on this market. He's not dumb.

 

Considering the entire Yankee OF is a FA after this season, and that he's one of the best hitters for next year FA class, then he might be wise to wait. Let Matt Holliday set the market for him next season, instead of Milton Bradley now.

 

I hate to say it, but he has a point.

 

We will find out soon. It will come down to how much Bay likes Boston, or is he wants top dollar. Because if he hits FA, he will be a Yankee. They will go 10M or a year above what the Sox are willing to. It's not a stretch by any means.

 

Truth is the might sign both of Holliday and Bay.

 

 

Fact of the matter, we know now that the Yankees are capable of being in on ANYONE at ANYTIME. And are willing to out spend anyone. And RSN better get used to this fact like it or not. And be prepared to be booing Papelbon in a couple years.

 

 

 

But even if all that happens, the Sox will find a way to be competitive. And in the long run, that's what most fans really want.

[Dojji]

THe Papelbon thing is a bridge we can cross when we come to it. We have the ability to pay our guys if all they want is to be paid..

[BoSox21]

Not if they have no organizational loyalty and desperately want to hit the free agent market

 

But in the case of Papelbon, it would surprise me somewhat if he went to a city whose residents showered his wife with death threats

[BSN07]

Papelbon wants big $ and big stage. Very few organizations can provide both. That's all I'm really getting at.

[diony]

I hate to say it, but he has a point.

 

We will find out soon. It will come down to how much Bay likes Boston, or is he wants top dollar. Because if he hits FA, he will be a Yankee. They will go 10M or a year above what the Sox are willing to. It's not a stretch by any means.

 

He really likes Boston, which is why I think he might resign with them next year.

 

I don't want to see the Yankees giving 5 years to a position player above 30, not anymore. Paying top dollar for Bay's 31-36 seasons?. I rather see them getting Matt Holliday. Swisher will be the other corner OF. That way the Sox will get Bay and you guys can stop crying. :thumbsup:

[BoSox21]

Is there actual proof that Bay likes Boston enough to take a potential paycut to stay other than the cliche quotes he has said in papers?

[BSN07]

All I know is he has said he likes playing Boston.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

All I know is he has said he likes playing Boston.

Like a fiddle

[jacksonianmarch]

Why should he take a paycut? Why should the sox pay less than market value seeing as they are the second most profitable baseball team? If I were Bay, I'd want 6-8 yrs and 15-20 mil a season. If Adam Dunn finds work in the 15 mil range, then Bay should want 18. If Manny gets 25 mil a yr, then Bay should want 20. This offseasons market is changing. But if he is the #1 prize on the FA market at a young age, he shouldnt sell himself short. Remember, Holliday still needs to prove he can do it outside coors.

[Dojji]

Papelbon wants big $ and big stage. Very few organizations can provide both. That's all I'm really getting at.

 

He's already on one of them.

[TheKilo]

http://www.weei.com/WIll-Jason-Bay-Be-The-Next-Big-Deal-For-The-Boston/3786231

 

Let’s get this out of the way – the Red Sox still have not begun any sort of talks with Jason Bay and his agent, Joe Urbon, regarding any sort of contract extension.

 

Yet.

 

....when it comes to Bay, time is ticking. One season stands between the left fielder and the open market, which, in his case, is looking better and better all the time (even in this economy).

 

Bay will be making $7.5 million this season, finishing off the final year of the four-year, $18.25 million extension he signed with Pittsburgh in 2005. Next year at this time, that annual number could very easily double, with the Red Sox facing the daunting task of finding another middle-of-the-order bat/left fielder.

 

“I would say 50-50,” said Bay from his home in the Northwest when analyzing the prospects of ever reaching free agency. “But I love Boston.”

 

Would 5/70-80 get it done?

[italstallianion]

Why should he take a paycut? Why should the sox pay less than market value seeing as they are the second most profitable baseball team? If I were Bay' date=' I'd want 6-8 yrs and 15-20 mil a season. If Adam Dunn finds work in the 15 mil range, then Bay should want 18. If Manny gets 25 mil a yr, then Bay should want 20. This offseasons market is changing. But if he is the #1 prize on the FA market at a young age, he shouldnt sell himself short. Remember, Holliday still needs to prove he can do it outside coors.[/quote']

 

 

The Red Sox are the 2nd most profitable baseball team?!?!?!

[rician blast]

Apparently there are some on this site who know everything about MLB teams' finances. Must be cool to be "in the know."

[BSN07]

Actually the Sox and Yanks are near the bottom in league profits.