Why so cynical?

[Cocos Disciples]

Wasn't it because of adam123?

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Yeah Littleton' date=' Ramirez, Penny and Bard and you guys are already in WS shape. :thumbsup:[/quote']

Yeah, a solid bullpen arm, pitching depth, and a recent all-star in the rotation, combined with the rest of our roster, I'd say we're in decent shape for late October, thanks.

[Dojji]

The fun part is I got about the same level and variety of responses in this thread as I got with every other attempt at communication I've made here. Right down to the duncetard "fail" meme.

 

Probably should have known better than to make this thread. It really doesn't accomplish anything for me to harangue people about a sports team. But it stuns me just how quickly Sox fans are conceding the high ground back to the Yankees just because Einsteinbrenner opens the wallet.

 

What happened to the Red Sox never saying die? Half of you saw Teixeira in pinstripes and said "kill me now!" That amazes me.

 

We were a hundred runs better than the Yankees last year and yet for all the talk it sounds like the Yankees now have this insurmountable lead in the talent race just because they replaced 3 of their players with younger models. I don't get it. It doesn't make logical sense.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

The fun part is I got about the same level and variety of responses in this thread as I got with every other attempt at communication I've made here. Right down to the duncetard "fail" meme.

 

Probably should have known better than to make this thread. It really doesn't accomplish anything for me to harangue people about a sports team. But it stuns me just how quickly Sox fans are conceding the high ground back to the Yankees just because Einsteinbrenner opens the wallet.

 

What happened to the Red Sox never saying die? Half of you saw Teixeira in pinstripes and said "kill me now!" That amazes me.

 

We were a hundred runs better than the Yankees last year and yet for all the talk it sounds like the Yankees now have this insurmountable lead in the talent race just because they replaced 3 of their players with younger models. I don't get it. It doesn't make logical sense.

Hey I would have backed you up earlier, but I kinda slept in till 5 today, so I was unavailable in the afternoon.

[Dojji]

That's quite alright, JE, you didn't miss much.

[Dipre]

I agree with Doiji's thinking in some parts.

 

Specially how douchy it is to go "oh naw the red sox suxxor ass, tha yanks r gunna win the division by 35,000,000 games!!!" insert dumb smiley and stupid comment about the FO here.

 

Yea, the FO has holes to fill.

 

The Sox are not a finished product.

 

But it's f***ING DECEMBER people.

 

And shut the f*** up about Teixeira, they might have f***ed up the negotiations as many of you claim here.......but how the f*** would any of us know?

 

We were not there.......and everyone's just pissed because the Yankees got him, but so f***ing what?

 

How many times a lot of the complainers here said Tex was a LUXURY, not a NEED, and now come crying like little bitches because the FO didn't wanna give in to Boras' game and give him a 200+ mill package.

 

IMO, it was a convincing contract offer, since 170 mill would have been a top 10 all-time contract, and so the Yankees got him for 10 more mill, but can you honestly say you know what went down there to convert some douchebag sportswriter's comment into a fact?

 

How quick we are to forget that this FO's MO has made them become THE model organization in baseball.

 

So stop the sour grapes and the ********, and at least wait until the 2009 Red Sox are a finishes before continuing to sound like 4-year-olds who didn't get the gift they wanted.

 

That is all.

[jacksonianmarch]

That's not realistic' date=' that's buying the media hype. The Yankees picked up those guys to replace lost players. They're not added on top of an already solid core they ARE the core. I'm sorry you're having trouble seeing that but it is reality. The Yankees are not all that.[/quote']

 

Looks like someone needs some education on reality here. The Red Sox were 6 games better than the yankees last yr. The Rays, OTOH, were 2 games better than the sox. Do you not think that the yankees have made up 6 games in this offseason? No. Well, consider this.

 

Games Started

Mussina 34

Pettitte 33

Rasner 20

Wang 15

Ponson 15

Chamberlain 12

Kennedy 10 (includes the game Bruney started prior to rain delay)

Hughes 8

Pavano 7

Aceves 4

Geise 3

Igawa 1

 

Outside of Moose, Pettitte, Joba, and Wang, 68 games were started. 68 games.

 

Lets look at your guys

Lester 33

Wakefield 30

DiceK 29

Beckett 27

Buchholz 15

Masterson 9

Byrd 8

Colon 7

Pauley 2

Bowden 1

Zink 1

 

Outside of your top 4 guys, 45 games were started. That is a difference of 23 games. Do you not think that we will likely get more starts out of our rotation this yr than last yr? Especially if we bring back Pettitte or bring in another durable arm? Are you crazy? Getting more consistent starting pitching wont help us? Really? And if we got starts from either CC or AJ in those 23 games do you not think that we would have made up 6 games on you guys?

 

And the difference isnt just there. Lets look at offense

Pedroia had a 70 point OPS jump from 07

Youkilis had a 116 point OPS jump from 07

Drew had a 131 point OPS jump from 07

Manny had a 46 point OPS jump from 07 while with the sox, and Bay was 15 point above Manny's 07 performance

Coco had a 39 point OPS jump from 07

 

You are forgetting all of this when pinning the 08 failures on Ortiz and Lowell. Especially when you consider that Ortiz dropped .190 points and Lowell dropped 80 points. Actually Tek was more of a disappointment than Lowell was (116 point drop). Your team not only picked up the slack in the rest of the lineup and then some, your backups werent quite as atrocious as ours were. Lowrie had a .739OPS, which isnt too bad out of a utility IFer. And Casey had a .773 which is above MLB average as well.

 

 

Consider this. We lost an entire season of effectiveness out of Posada. And when you consider that he usually sits in the .850 range in terms of OPS and then figure in the performance of Molina (.576OPS) you see why our offense flailed. Thats a 274 point drop. Equal to what you lost from Lowell and Papi COMBINED. Then factor in the loss of Matsui for nearly 100 games (he came back a shell of himself last yr) and the replacement of him in the lineup with Gardner (.582), Melky (.641) and later on with Nady (.791) and you still have a significant drop in performance. And when you consider that NOBODY picked up the slack in our offense (Damon was the only other guy who had an improvement on 2008) you see why the O slumped. I am not going to sit here and say that everyone will be 100% healthy and rah rah, we are INVINCIBLE. But I will say that the likelihood is that Swisher and Cano will rebound to career norms. (Swisher mostly because his BABIP was pathetically low and his IsoP and IsoD were the same and Cano because he is a career .303 hitter and after his abysmal month of April hit at a clip of .297). I will also say that it isnt likely that we lose two impact offensive players at the beginning of the yr. Then factor in that we have a full yr of Nady (for now) and Tex, we more than make up for what was lost. To say that your offense, on paper, right now is better than ours is a farce.

 

I'm sick of the fear. And I'm sick of hearing how Teixeira will change the balance of power in the American League East, like potent hitters don't come to this division with that prediction attached to them at least once every two years. Anyone remember how A-Rod was going to restore the Yankee glory days? How'd that work out? How about Sheffield? Giambi? Abreu? We've all seen the song and dance before, shame on those of us who were fooled again.

 

ARod and Sheff came in when our pitching was going out and we still nearly made it to the world series. It isnt fair to blame our postseason failures on him since our pitching took a serious U turn since he arrived. Bring in CC and AJ, add them to Wang and Joba, maybe sprinkle in another yr of Pettitte and presto, the pitching will return. Giambroids got off the roids. Abreu turned the balance of power in 06 and was a major reason why your team didnt make the playoffs that yr.

 

This team doesn't NEED to improve. We're already, OBJECTIVELY, the best team in the AL East and the Yankees are spending that much money to try to keep up with US. Try to internalize that. THEY are TRAILING US.

 

Objectively the best team in the AL East? Really. You werent the best team in the AL East last yr, have made no significant additions and the team above you is now brimming with confidence and has another yr of experience under their belts. Than factor in that they took their worst starter, got a good OF prospect for him and added in one of the nastiest pitchers I have seen come up from the minors in a long time to their rotation and you still think that the sox are better? Nobody had a rotation like they did and people wonder why they won.

 

1. Kazmir

2. Shields

3. Garza

4. Sonnanstine

5. Price

 

Consider that when you try and measure up against them for 2009. They are stacked in the pitching department. And even with CC, Wang, AJ and lights out Joba, we still need to add one more vet to say we are even on par with the Rays. And I am a yankee lover at heart

 

As for Tampa Bay, the Rays were very lucky last year, they will not get that lucky again. I am perfectly comfortable predicting a playoff appearance for the Sox and see no reason why they won't take the division next year. Could something frekish happen? Yes. But it would take specific bad luck to the Red Sox like multiple key injuries to keep us out of the playoffs. Most teams should be so lucky as to be us.

 

Your blind faith is impressive. But anyone with an analytical mind can find flaws in all the Kool Aid spooge you are putting on this page. Theo said it himself. If you arent improving you are falling behind. The sox did not improve this offseason. Adding Penny while losing Byrd and Colon is a lateral move. Adding Ramirez at the expense of Coco's better bat and glove (than Ells) is also a lateral move. And when you consider that we should be getting healthy and have added two legitimate power threats in Swish and Tex, have a full yr of Nady and should be getting a full yr out of Matsui and Posada, our O can match yours and then some. Then consider our top 4 of CC, Wang, Burnett and Joba and I think we can match or surpass you as well. If we add in Pettitte or Harang or anyone who can eat 200IP, then our rotation surpasses yours as well. And we know our pen is better. Where does that leave us? TB in a nebulous spot. The sox staying put and us adding significant talent. I believe, if the season started today, that the sox would be in 3rd place. Obviously the season needs to play out, but anyone with a mind would see that the sox dropped back in the race since the day the ball stopped being pitched

[Dipre]

Looks like someone needs some education on reality here. The Red Sox were 6 games better than the yankees last yr. The Rays, OTOH, were 2 games better than the sox. Do you not think that the yankees have made up 6 games in this offseason? No. Well, consider this.

 

Games Started

Mussina 34

Pettitte 33

Rasner 20

Wang 15

Ponson 15

Chamberlain 12

Kennedy 10 (includes the game Bruney started prior to rain delay)

Hughes 8

Pavano 7

Aceves 4

Geise 3

Igawa 1

 

Outside of Moose, Pettitte, Joba, and Wang, 68 games were started. 68 games.

 

Lets look at your guys

Lester 33

Wakefield 30

DiceK 29

Beckett 27

Buchholz 15

Masterson 9

Byrd 8

Colon 7

Pauley 2

Bowden 1

Zink 1

 

Outside of your top 4 guys, 45 games were started. That is a difference of 23 games. Do you not think that we will likely get more starts out of our rotation this yr than last yr? Especially if we bring back Pettitte or bring in another durable arm? Are you crazy? Getting more consistent starting pitching wont help us? Really? And if we got starts from either CC or AJ in those 23 games do you not think that we would have made up 6 games on you guys?

 

And the difference isnt just there. Lets look at offense

Pedroia had a 70 point OPS jump from 07

Youkilis had a 116 point OPS jump from 07

Drew had a 131 point OPS jump from 07

Manny had a 46 point OPS jump from 07 while with the sox, and Bay was 15 point above Manny's 07 performance

Coco had a 39 point OPS jump from 07

 

You are forgetting all of this when pinning the 08 failures on Ortiz and Lowell. Especially when you consider that Ortiz dropped .190 points and Lowell dropped 80 points. Actually Tek was more of a disappointment than Lowell was (116 point drop). Your team not only picked up the slack in the rest of the lineup and then some, your backups werent quite as atrocious as ours were. Lowrie had a .739OPS, which isnt too bad out of a utility IFer. And Casey had a .773 which is above MLB average as well.

 

 

Consider this. We lost an entire season of effectiveness out of Posada. And when you consider that he usually sits in the .850 range in terms of OPS and then figure in the performance of Molina (.576OPS) you see why our offense flailed. Thats a 274 point drop. Equal to what you lost from Lowell and Papi COMBINED. Then factor in the loss of Matsui for nearly 100 games (he came back a shell of himself last yr) and the replacement of him in the lineup with Gardner (.582), Melky (.641) and later on with Nady (.791) and you still have a significant drop in performance. And when you consider that NOBODY picked up the slack in our offense (Damon was the only other guy who had an improvement on 2008) you see why the O slumped. I am not going to sit here and say that everyone will be 100% healthy and rah rah, we are INVINCIBLE. But I will say that the likelihood is that Swisher and Cano will rebound to career norms. (Swisher mostly because his BABIP was pathetically low and his IsoP and IsoD were the same and Cano because he is a career .303 hitter and after his abysmal month of April hit at a clip of .297). I will also say that it isnt likely that we lose two impact offensive players at the beginning of the yr. Then factor in that we have a full yr of Nady (for now) and Tex, we more than make up for what was lost. To say that your offense, on paper, right now is better than ours is a farce.

 

 

 

ARod and Sheff came in when our pitching was going out and we still nearly made it to the world series. It isnt fair to blame our postseason failures on him since our pitching took a serious U turn since he arrived. Bring in CC and AJ, add them to Wang and Joba, maybe sprinkle in another yr of Pettitte and presto, the pitching will return. Giambroids got off the roids. Abreu turned the balance of power in 06 and was a major reason why your team didnt make the playoffs that yr.

 

 

 

Objectively the best team in the AL East? Really. You werent the best team in the AL East last yr, have made no significant additions and the team above you is now brimming with confidence and has another yr of experience under their belts. Than factor in that they took their worst starter, got a good OF prospect for him and added in one of the nastiest pitchers I have seen come up from the minors in a long time to their rotation and you still think that the sox are better? Nobody had a rotation like they did and people wonder why they won.

 

1. Kazmir

2. Shields

3. Garza

4. Sonnanstine

5. Price

 

Consider that when you try and measure up against them for 2009. They are stacked in the pitching department. And even with CC, Wang, AJ and lights out Joba, we still need to add one more vet to say we are even on par with the Rays. And I am a yankee lover at heart

 

 

 

Your blind faith is impressive. But anyone with an analytical mind can find flaws in all the Kool Aid spooge you are putting on this page. Theo said it himself. If you arent improving you are falling behind. The sox did not improve this offseason. Adding Penny while losing Byrd and Colon is a lateral move. Adding Ramirez at the expense of Coco's better bat and glove (than Ells) is also a lateral move. And when you consider that we should be getting healthy and have added two legitimate power threats in Swish and Tex, have a full yr of Nady and should be getting a full yr out of Matsui and Posada, our O can match yours and then some. Then consider our top 4 of CC, Wang, Burnett and Joba and I think we can match or surpass you as well. If we add in Pettitte or Harang or anyone who can eat 200IP, then our rotation surpasses yours as well. And we know our pen is better. Where does that leave us? TB in a nebulous spot. The sox staying put and us adding significant talent. I believe, if the season started today, that the sox would be in 3rd place. Obviously the season needs to play out, but anyone with a mind would see that the sox dropped back in the race since the day the ball stopped being pitched

 

This is historical.

 

For the first time in baseball history, the offseason has ended in December!!!!!!

[jacksonianmarch]

I made a caveat in the post, "if the season ended today." Now, I want to know something. You are acting as if something big is on the horizon. If the sox dont make another impact addition, would you say that the sox are the third best team in the division? Funny thing is, from here on out, I expect the yankees to make bigger moves in total than the sox. The Yankees still need to sign one more pitcher. The sox need a catcher and then I expect them to go to war with what they have. BTW, do you like my Avatar? Tex looks real good in yankee colors, eh?

[Dipre]

I made a caveat in the post' date=' "if the season ended today." Now, I want to know something. You are acting as if something big is on the horizon. If the sox dont make another impact addition, would you say that the sox are the third best team in the division? Funny thing is, from here on out, I expect the yankees to make bigger moves in total than the sox. The Yankees still need to sign one more pitcher. The sox need a catcher and then I expect them to go to war with what they have. BTW, do you like my Avatar? [b']Tex looks real good in yankee colors, eh?[/b]

 

*Yawn*

 

I'm so pissed because of your lame-ass comment that i am willing to renounce ever watching baseball again.

 

I have a question though:

 

How can you, a single poster, bring more than 50% of all the FAIL in this site?

[example1]

I find this site to be a bit cynical for my taste lately too. I don't buy the "3rd best team" argument. I think that this s*** gets worked out over the course of the season. The Sox could win the division, they could finish 2nd, they could finish 3rd.

 

I'm not sure why everyone is ready to just give the AL East title to the Yankees and the Wild Card to the Rays. I don't get it. On paper I would likely want to have the Sox over any of the other three if I combine MLB club and minor league talent. There is so much that can happen over the course of the season that I find the determinism to be kind of sickening. That's about all I'll say on the topic here. It's tiresome to hear so many people bitching that we don't have a $150m payroll. It would be okay with people if we had signed Brad Penny 4 years ago at 12m a year, even if he was injured. They would say "at least we're putting our financial muscle to work". If we had a lot of s***** contracts but were spending 150m everyone would feel better? I don't think so.

 

I'm willing to let the season play out and expect that there could be any number of possible outcomes.

[Dipre]

I find this site to be a bit cynical for my taste lately too. I don't buy the "3rd best team" argument. I think that this s*** gets worked out over the course of the season. The Sox could win the division, they could finish 2nd, they could finish 3rd.

 

I'm not sure why everyone is ready to just give the AL East title to the Yankees and the Wild Card to the Rays. I don't get it. On paper I would likely want to have the Sox over any of the other three if I combine MLB club and minor league talent. There is so much that can happen over the course of the season that I find the determinism to be kind of sickening. That's about all I'll say on the topic here. It's tiresome to hear so many people bitching that we don't have a $150m payroll. It would be okay with people if we had signed Brad Penny 4 years ago at 12m a year, even if he was injured. They would say "at least we're putting our financial muscle to work". If we had a lot of s***** contracts but were spending 150m everyone would feel better? I don't think so.

 

I'm willing to let the season play out and expect that there could be any number of possible outcomes.

 

The keyboard of reason!

 

Finally!

[jacksonianmarch]

"bring 50% of all the fail in this site."

 

FAIL- part of speech- VERB. Used in a sentence. DipreG fails to get his point across once again.

 

I have a feeling that your syntax in the above sentence is a bit off. I know you reside in the Dominican Republic, but you could clean up the grammar a bit. You know, maybe you could use a grammar checker? Maybe some software? Hmm. Maybe?

 

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[jacksonianmarch]

Just kidding. Its all in good fun. Gotta be able to take a joke here and there. And yes, as Yankee fans, we are duty bound to stir the fires of cynicism that always burn around the sox.

[Cocos Disciples]

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/5917/grammartimegi7.jpg

[example1]

Just kidding. Its all in good fun. Gotta be able to take a joke here and there. And yes' date=' as Yankee fans, we are duty bound to stir the fires of cynicism that always burn around the sox.[/quote']

 

Sure, but you weren't having it last year when Gom was predicting that the Yankees would suck due to their weak and young pitching. You posted enormous posts breaking down how good their staff was and telling him he was wrong. You weren't having his cynicism then, and I'm not having yours now, especially since the Sox success will not depend necessarily on a core of young, unproven pitchers in their first season. If their players have career average years then this team should be at least in contention.

 

FWIW, I was on your side last year about the Yankees pitchers. I expected a lot more out of Phil Hughes.

 

Also FWIW, one of the reasons the Sox might not make the playoffs is that they just happen to be in the toughest division in baseball. If they win 94 or 95 games and don't make the playoffs I'm not going to freak out because I think that's the only legitimate goal a FO can have. if the Sox win nearly 60% of their games and don't get in, I will chalk it up to other good teams.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Looks like someone needs some education on reality here. The Red Sox were 6 games better than the yankees last yr. The Rays, OTOH, were 2 games better than the sox. Do you not think that the yankees have made up 6 games in this offseason? No. Well, consider this.

 

Games Started

Mussina 34

Pettitte 33

Rasner 20

Wang 15

Ponson 15

Chamberlain 12

Kennedy 10 (includes the game Bruney started prior to rain delay)

Hughes 8

Pavano 7

Aceves 4

Geise 3

Igawa 1

 

Outside of Moose, Pettitte, Joba, and Wang, 68 games were started. 68 games.

 

Lets look at your guys

Lester 33

Wakefield 30

DiceK 29

Beckett 27

Buchholz 15

Masterson 9

Byrd 8

Colon 7

Pauley 2

Bowden 1

Zink 1

 

Outside of your top 4 guys, 45 games were started. That is a difference of 23 games. Do you not think that we will likely get more starts out of our rotation this yr than last yr? Especially if we bring back Pettitte or bring in another durable arm? Are you crazy? Getting more consistent starting pitching wont help us? Really? And if we got starts from either CC or AJ in those 23 games do you not think that we would have made up 6 games on you guys?

 

First, you: A.J. Burnout is far from the picture of health when there isn't a big pay day waiting for him at season's end. CC has the N.Y. media, a record contract, and some potential arm stress working against him (though I've said that about 600 times). Wang helps, for sure.

 

As for the Sox, yeah our rotation was healthier, but our ace had a subpar season last year (to be generous), and Beckett is entering his free agent year. I expect total dominance from him this season. You also left out that Buchholz was f***ing terrible in pretty much every start of his.

 

 

Objectively the best team in the AL East? Really. You werent the best team in the AL East last yr, have made no significant additions and the team above you is now brimming with confidence and has another yr of experience under their belts. Than factor in that they took their worst starter, got a good OF prospect for him and added in one of the nastiest pitchers I have seen come up from the minors in a long time to their rotation and you still think that the sox are better? Nobody had a rotation like they did and people wonder why they won.

 

1. Kazmir

2. Shields

3. Garza

4. Sonnanstine

5. Price

 

Consider that when you try and measure up against them for 2009. They are stacked in the pitching department. And even with CC, Wang, AJ and lights out Joba, we still need to add one more vet to say we are even on par with the Rays. And I am a yankee lover at heart

 

Didn't you yourself say you were expecting a Rays hangover this season?

 

 

Your blind faith is impressive. But anyone with an analytical mind can find flaws in all the Kool Aid spooge you are putting on this page. Theo said it himself. If you arent improving you are falling behind. The sox did not improve this offseason.

 

The Sox didn't need any substantial improvements. We were f***ed by injuries and underachieving performances all year and came within a game of a third WS appearance in 5 years. What the Sox did do this winter is a get a solid, solid reliever from KC and dump a likely malcontent, and made a low risk move to sign a guy that, health providing, can really shore up the #4 spot in our rotation. The Yankees filled more holes left by departed talent than they flat-out improved.

 

Adding Penny while losing Byrd and Colon is a lateral move. Adding Ramirez at the expense of Coco's better bat and glove (than Ells) is also a lateral move. And when you consider that we should be getting healthy and have added two legitimate power threats in Swish and Tex, have a full yr of Nady and should be getting a full yr out of Matsui and Posada, our O can match yours and then some.

 

Penny blows Colon and Byrd out of the water (health permitting, of course). Byrd's ERA pushed 5, Colon appeared in 7 games. Adding Ramirez and dumping Coco is an improvement. Anytime you acquire a solid reliever who gave up 2 homers in the season before you acquired him, that's an improvement. That's a big help to the bullpen. Bullpen is important. Plus, Coco had all the makings of Jay Payton part II this season. He was a backup who clearly wanted a starting job, and he was a free agent at 2009's end. He would have been gone by midseason anyway. We're lucky to get R. Ramirez out of Coco.

 

 

If Papi and Lowell return to form, that just about accounts for the Yankees' improvements at the plate.

 

Then consider our top 4 of CC, Wang, Burnett and Joba and I think we can match or surpass you as well. If we add in Pettitte or Harang or anyone who can eat 200IP, then our rotation surpasses yours as well. And we know our pen is better. Where does that leave us? TB in a nebulous spot. The sox staying put and us adding significant talent. I believe, if the season started today, that the sox would be in 3rd place. Obviously the season needs to play out, but anyone with a mind would see that the sox dropped back in the race since the day the ball stopped being pitched

 

I've explained why Beckett is primed for dominance this season. I've explained why CC is primed to struggle this year (at least struggle compared to last season). I give the advantage to Beckett.

 

Lester and Wang are just about equal.

 

Yes, Dice-K's participation in the WBC could cause problems this season, but his Yankees counterpart, Burnout, can't stay healthy in a non-contract year, and even if he could I'd still give the edge to Dice-K.

 

Penny's a question mark, but I like my chances with his health and his performance. Joba's a good pitcher, but he's spent like 2/3 of his career thus far as a setup man. I need to see more from him as a starter.

[jacksonianmarch]

And that is your right to do so. I just find it funny how many sox fans have taken the front running thing a bit far and dont remember their "roots". When making the playoffs 2-4 yrs out of every decade was the norm. Now, if they miss the playoffs, the fan base goes berserk. Funny how the perception changed in a short span of time.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I made a caveat in the post' date=' "if the season ended today." Now, I want to know something. You are acting as if something big is on the horizon. If the sox dont make another impact addition, would you say that the sox are the third best team in the division? Funny thing is, from here on out, I expect the yankees to make bigger moves in total than the sox. The Yankees still need to sign one more pitcher. The sox need a catcher and then I expect them to go to war with what they have. BTW, do you like my Avatar? Tex looks real good in yankee colors, eh?[/quote']

Someone's in for a rude awakening come summer time.

 

 

For the last time, f***ing take Tex. We didn't need him, you did. He was a luxury for us, he was critical for you. Enjoy. That's the really the only thing Yankee fans have this winter, huh? WE GOT TEIXEIRA! WE GOT TEIXEIRA! LOL N00BS

[Cocos Disciples]

First, you: A.J. Burnout is far from the picture of health when there isn't a big pay day waiting for him at season's end.

 

Explain how there is any correlation. He opts not to get injured on purpose when there is a new contract at hand? He ups his dosage?

 

And that is your right to do so. I just find it funny how many sox fans have taken the front running thing a bit far and dont remember their "roots". When making the playoffs 2-4 yrs out of every decade was the norm. Now' date=' if they miss the playoffs, the fan base goes berserk. Funny how the perception changed in a short span of time.[/quote']

 

I've read plenty of posts talking about making the playoffs 3 of 4 years or 8 of 10, or whatever. That's fine by me, it's unrealistic to think a team can make the playoffs every year, with some exceptions

[Cocos Disciples]

Someone's in for a rude awakening come summer time.

 

 

For the last time, f***ing take Tex. We didn't need him, you did. He was a luxury for us, he was critical for you. Enjoy. That's the really the only thing Yankee fans have this winter, huh? WE GOT TEIXEIRA! WE GOT TEIXEIRA! LOL N00BS

 

lulz

[jacksonianmarch]

Beckett is not going into his FA yr. The sox have an option for 2010.

 

Saying that we just replaced what was lost is just incorrect. I wont get into it further than my post above, but it really, truly is not correct. 2 late 20s, solid power hitters are more valuable then a late 30s former roid boy and a mid 30s guy in decline. And saying our pitching additions dont help anything is wrong as well.

 

Listen, both our teams lost a lot due to injury. I just happen to believe that we lost more since our guys went down rather early. Our ace miss 20 starts. Our prize offensive catcher essentially missed the season. Our power hitting LFer wasnt right from mid June on. You lose 2 guys in your lineup who should put up 190RBI and score 180R and replace them with the bag of dicks we replaced them with and then consider we lost our durable ace and replace him with another bag of dicks and you have to see how our team suffered. Adding CC and AJ to a healthy Wang is Joba is a massive improvement. Adding Tex and Swisher to a healthy Matsui and Posada is a MASSIVE improvement over 2008.

[example1]

And that is your right to do so. I just find it funny how many sox fans have taken the front running thing a bit far and dont remember their "roots". When making the playoffs 2-4 yrs out of every decade was the norm. Now' date=' if they miss the playoffs, the fan base goes berserk.[/b'] Funny how the perception changed in a short span of time.

 

Actually, we didn't miss the playoffs. We haven't missed them for two full seasons. The Sox got to the 7th game while underperforming their pythagorian W-L, they didn't lose any key pieces of their lineup (in fact most got healthier, in theory). They should have a positive contribution from either Buchholz OR Bowden and I see no reason to think that they won't be able to win just about any game this season, just like last year. Just like the year before.

 

It's a bunch of bitch bitch bitch from a team that 28 other teams would gladly take. If the Sox were in any other division they would be front runners. If they were in the NL we would be talking World Series. Instead, it's "3rd best team in the division, PROVE to me they aren't 3rd best" or "you're an idiot if you think they're not the 3rd best"... yawn.

 

We didn't get Teixeira. Get over it.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

My mistake about Beckett, forgot about the option. Still not the only reason he's primed to have a great year though.

[jacksonianmarch]

Actually, we didn't miss the playoffs. We haven't missed them for two full seasons. The Sox got to the 7th game while underperforming their pythagorian W-L, they didn't lose any key pieces of their lineup (in fact most got healthier, in theory). They should have a positive contribution from either Buchholz OR Bowden and I see no reason to think that they won't be able to win just about any game this season, just like last year. Just like the year before.

 

It's a bunch of bitch bitch bitch from a team that 28 other teams would gladly take. If the Sox were in any other division they would be front runners. If they were in the NL we would be talking World Series. Instead, it's "3rd best team in the division, PROVE to me they aren't 3rd best" or "you're an idiot if you think they're not the 3rd best"... yawn.

 

We didn't get Teixeira. Get over it.

 

 

in theory you should get healthier. I just dont believe that the lineup around the now healthy Ortiz and Lowell (if they really are healthy) will be able to sustain their supernatural offensive production.

[example1]

I've read plenty of posts talking about making the playoffs 3 of 4 years or 8 of 10, or whatever. That's fine by me, it's unrealistic to think a team can make the playoffs every year, with some exceptions

 

 

You mean the Yankees, before the rise of the current Red Sox ownership? I agree.

 

Yankees missed last year. They had a great run when the Red Sox tried to compete by buying the 'best available free agent', and they couldn't compete as well as they do now. Shocker.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Saying that we just replaced what was lost is just incorrect. I wont get into it further than my post above' date=' but it really, truly is not correct. 2 late 20s, solid power hitters are more valuable then a late 30s former roid boy and a mid 30s guy in decline. And saying our pitching additions dont help anything is wrong as well.[/quote']

 

Not what I said, I said that you did more replacing than adding. You replaced a lot, you added a lot. But you replaced more than you added (at least so far).

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Explain how there is any correlation. He opts not to get injured on purpose when there is a new contract at hand? He ups his dosage?

 

I don't want to say he's faking it, that's not fair to him.

 

 

Put it like this: when he has the pay day coming at the end of the year, his ability to pitch through whatever ailments he's dealing with increases.

[jacksonianmarch]

I do not think we did a lot of replacing.

 

We added Nady mid season. If you go around the offense, the only slot that was totally open after Abreu and Giamboids split was 1b. Adding Swisher filled that void. Adding Tex is a 100% improvement.

 

If we retain Pettitte, then our rotation 1-5 is stronger than it has been in 6 yrs. I dont get your point. To say we did more replacing than adding is also wrong.

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't want to say he's faking it, that's not fair to him.

 

 

Put it like this: when he has the pay day coming at the end of the year, his ability to pitch through whatever ailments he's dealing with increases.

 

okay. Maybe. But he has averaged 27 starts a yr since his TJ surgery, which is okay enough for me. I'll take the best stuff in the bigs 27 times a yr on my side. He's not durable by any means, but people blow his fragility out of proportion