Red Sox claim Brian Giles off waivers

[Dojji]

Send Ellsbury down til Sept. 1' date=' call him up when the rosters expand, play Drew in CF in the interim?[/quote']

 

Rather drop Coco.

[Dojji]

The numbers seem to bear that out.

 

You mean, they bear that out about as much as they bear out a normal, conventional career arc for a power-hitting OF?

[soxfan17881]

Rather drop Coco.

 

For 2008 only:

 

http://spieles.com/images/cve.jpg

 

See, from where I'm standing, who gets sent down/moved is a little less obvious. At this stage, I'm really torn between the two.

 

Coco's 28 and Ellsbury is 24, if anyone cares...

[Bostonownsyou]

Finally another bat added.

[CrespoBlows]

Finally another bat added.

 

Haven't worked out a deal.

[Bostonownsyou]

Haven't worked out a deal.

 

Theo understands Sean Caseys a stiff at the plate. Needed another alternative, how many times have we seen Casey Cash Varitek PH? too many....

[CrespoBlows]

Theo understands Sean Caseys a stiff at the plate. Needed another alternative' date=' how many times have we seen Casey Cash Varitek PH? too many....[/quote']

 

Sean Casey is OPS'ing .860 (higher than Giles'), and he's a backup, so I can't really complain about him.

 

I would like to add Giles to be a pinch hitter for Coco Crisp/Jacoby Ellsbury late in games, but he's getting paid way too much to be in that role.

 

Where do we have room for him? Send Ellsbury down for a month, and then let Giles play everyday in CF?

[jacksonianmarch]

Who knows, they might want to send Ells back down for a couple weeks and give the CF job to Giles.

[Gom]

I like Giles. His walk total would go down as pitchers would aggressively go after him in the AL and considering the lineup he'd be in.

[CrespoBlows]

I like Giles. His walk total would go down as pitchers would aggressively go after him in the AL and considering the lineup he'd be in.

 

I don't think there's a major correlation between BB rates and league switches.

 

I do think that Giles would see his average, HR and gap power go up, after he moved out of PETCO.

[Gom]

I don't think there is much of a correlation but considering the hitters in the lineup, I'd expect his walk total to go down considering he'd be going from the Padres lineup to the Red Sox lineup.

[example1]

Who knows' date=' they might want to send Ells back down for a couple weeks and give the CF job to Giles.[/quote']

 

Or they might just want to keep Giles for the hell of it in case someone gets hurt or whatever as the season progresses.

 

I really don't expect the Sox to do anything with Ellsbury other than sit him occasionally and play him a lot. His defense alone makes him viable.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont expect the sox to make this deal anyway. Lots of money for a guy who doesnt really fit

[rician blast]

You mean' date=' they bear that out about as much as they bear out a normal, conventional career arc for a power-hitting OF?[/quote']

 

 

Good point, could be.

 

Then again, I think when you look at the build up and drop off of HR's (4 yrs with 35+, never hit more than 23 in any other season) and the years in which he had his 4 best HR totals, (1999-2002, prime 'roid years around the league), there's cause for suspicion.

[a700hitter]

I think when you look at the build up and drop off of HR's (4 yrs with 35+' date=' never hit more than 23 in any other season) and the years in which he had his 4 best HR totals, (1999-2002, prime 'roid years around the league), there's cause for suspicion.[/quote']He hit the scoreboard at Shea last night. How long did he hit the ball when he was on roids?

[example1]

I think when you look at the build up and drop off of HR's (4 yrs with 35+' date=' never hit more than 23 in any other season) and the years in which he had his 4 best HR totals, (1999-2002, prime 'roid years around the league), there's cause for suspicion.[/quote']

 

I'm going with just outright assumption, as I do with many who have that same historical profile.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Anything to keep Coco from playing everyday I guess. LOL

[a700hitter]

I think when you look at the build up and drop off of HR's (4 yrs with 35+' date=' never hit more than 23 in any other season) and the years in which he had his 4 best HR totals, (1999-2002, prime 'roid years around the league), there's cause for suspicion.[/quote']Power stats peaking from age 28-31 and declining thereafter is not at all suspicious. That had been a pattern for players well before the roid era. What raises suspicion are players whose power stats increased in their mid to late 30's.

[Dojji]

Good point, could be.

 

Then again, I think when you look at the build up and drop off of HR's (4 yrs with 35+, never hit more than 23 in any other season) and the years in which he had his 4 best HR totals, (1999-2002, prime 'roid years around the league), there's cause for suspicion.

 

WHich also happen to be his age 28-31 seasons, and his HR " dropoff" coincides with his move to the monstrous Petco outfield as well as to a reasonable time for a decline phase

[example1]

WHich also happen to be his age 28-31 seasons' date=' and his HR " dropoff" coincides with his move to the monstrous Petco outfield as well as to a reasonable time for a decline phase[/quote']

 

It seems like the rule is that the heavy steroid users almost all have a season with some enormous drop-off at some point; but, not all people who have big drop-offs are steroid users. Yaz had some significant drop-offs in his SLG throughout his career, dropping from .592 to .392 to .391, then rising to .463 as a 33 year old in 1973). He played 10 more seasons after that and his SLG never went above .505 again. Giles has had a drop too, 2000 to 2008: .594, .590, .622, .514, .475, .483, .397, .416, .424...

 

Regardless, Giles has a lot of positives that indicate he's a very good hitter, usage or non usage. He's got a career .404 OBP, which is insanely good and something the Sox will go after and want to have (or prevent others from having).

 

Looks like he'll level off with a mid-.400's SLG, and a .400ish OBP, which is still a useful .800-.840 OPS.

 

My roid-dar goes off when I look at Giles' career, but he's one of those guys who I hope it isn't true because those OBP skills would have been pretty special in-and-of-itself. I'm sure part of it was pitchers working him carefully, but you don't draw that many BBs without some patience.

[TheKilo]

you wouldnt wait and see if builds on his performance from the last 2 games?

 

No.

 

He'd be down for like three weeks.

[riverside sluggers]

http://bostonherald.com/sports/baseball/red_sox/view/2008_08_08_SD_s_Brian_Giles_may_agree_to_waive_hello/srvc=redsox&position=2

 

It very much sounds like this is more than a block type claim. The Sox have been negotiating a deal, in hopes Giles would give the Ok. One of 2 things will happen, Ellsbury sent down to pawtucket to get his groove back in Pawtucket (even though last 2 games have been signs of encouragement). Or the Sox mightve found a trading partner for Coco Crisp

[BoSox21]

trading Coco might be ideal

[rician blast]

WHich also happen to be his age 28-31 seasons' date=' and his HR " dropoff" coincides with his move to the monstrous Petco outfield as well as to a reasonable time for a decline phase[/quote']

 

Like I said, could be. The dramatic drop off occuring at age 32 doesn't sound normal to me, I'd expect a more gradual decrease.

 

The PETCO theory has legs, though, as it's one of the most pitcher friendly, if not THE most, parks. On the other hand, from 2004 through 2006 his H/A split showed 57% of his HRs hit away, 43% hit at home...a disparity, but not a huge one.

[BoSox21]

any reason he has the Sox on his list of 10 teams he doesnt want to be traded to?

[Youk Of The Nation]

any reason he has the Sox on his list of 10 teams he doesnt want to be traded to?

 

Afraid Curt Schilling will eat his lunch everyday, or maybe he slept with Mike Timlins' wife.

[Gom]

any reason he has the Sox on his list of 10 teams he doesnt want to be traded to?

Boston is known as an unfriendly city. Just ask Jim Rice, Wade Boggs, Roger Clemens, Nomar Garciaparra, Manny Ramirez, etc.

 

It was the same way when the Bronx Zoo was in full force.

[BoSox21]

Boston is known as an unfriendly city. Just ask Jim Rice' date=' Wade Boggs, Roger Clemens, Nomar Garciaparra, Manny Ramirez, etc.[/quote']

 

So Brian Giles anticipates ever being as important to the Sox as those names? I wonder how Bill Mueller, Kevin Millar, Dave Roberts, etc. feel about Boston

[TheKilo]

Putting Gom's trolling tot he side for a moment:

 

At the time Giles signed his contract with the Padres, Trot was starting the 2nd of a 3 year deal, Manny was locked in in left. So, if RF and LF were locked up, and he's not a CF, where would he play?

 

He was probably worried about becoming a role player.

[Dojji]

Also he wasn't 37 years old in the last year of his deal on a going-nowhere team when he ruled us out.