Yanks Want to Talk to A-Rod

[TheKilo]

Yes' date=' actually. These were the parameters they were expecting to pay.[/quote']

 

What?

 

They wanted to give him 5/140 on top of his existing 3/81 deal.

 

= 8/221

 

Now, he gets 10/275, potentially 10/300. Who crawled back to who here?

[Taliesin]

And this is the last sentence I'd ever think myself uttering as a free-market capitalist. There needs to be a salary cap in this game. I'll take my chances on my team being smarter. The MLBPA has run amok. Arguably, the most monied and powerful union operating today. Socialism at it's finest while holding the balls of everyone in its path. It worked great during the brief period it was supposed to last. FDR was the worst president in the history of this country (although Fillmore tried) and his policies resound. Rugged individualism and all that, tainted by the meek shall inherit my taxes.

 

Anyway, I don't want to hear anymore...who has the second highest payroll as an argument by the snide and the O's fans. Let's get it on ala Marvin Gaye and just play the game and who falls..falls.

[jonnythan]

"My opinion won't change" was based on my expectation of the Steinbrenners caving' date=' and paying $350 million. The way it worked out, I'm ok with it. The opting out really seems to be more Boras wanting to get the contract than Rodriguez wanting to leave, since he's here still.[/quote']

When you said "my opinion won't change" A-rod had literally just opted out and that $350 million dollar figure wouldn't be heard for a couple of days.

[jonnythan]

And this is the last sentence I'd ever think myself uttering as a free-market capitalist. There needs to be a salary cap in this game. I'll take my chances on my team being smarter. The MLBPA has run amok. Arguably, the most monied and powerful union operating today. Socialism at it's finest while holding the balls of everyone in its path. It worked great during the brief period it was supposed to last. FDR was the worst president in the history of this country (although Fillmore tried) and his policies resound. Rugged individualism and all that, tainted by the meek shall inherit my taxes.

 

Anyway, I don't want to hear anymore...who has the second highest payroll as an argument by the snide and the O's fans. Let's get it on ala Marvin Gaye and just play the game and who falls..falls.

My problem with salary caps:

 

That money has to go somewhere. The players and coaches are the ones that deserve it. If you put in a salary cap, where does all that extra cash go? To the owner.

[jacksonianmarch]

What?

 

They wanted to give him 5/140 on top of his existing 3/81 deal.

 

= 8/221

 

Now, he gets 10/275, potentially 10/300. Who crawled back to who here?

 

The Yankees were gonna offer a 5 yr 150 mil extension on top of his 3 yrs 91mil (thats the number that his incentives had him getting, reasonable ones at that) that was coming to him. So that is 8yrs 241mil. That being said, those 41 and 42 yr old seasons are a f***ing BARGAIN!!! LOL. We needed ARod back for his bat. But watching his wrinky ass come to the plate when he is 42 is gonna suck.

[example1]

I'll say this again. This was something the Yankees needed to do. He could not have been replaced. They barely made the playoffs, and take a look what they would have been offensively if you substitute an average offensive third basemen in for A-Rod.

 

Yes, they're paying him too much. Yes, they've given him too many years. But guys (Yankee fans), this is not coming out of our pockets. I agree, the front office doesn't look great, but in the end the team is better off.

 

For the people who cursed A-Rod off, and now love him again, that's hypocrisy at it's worse. But I, for one, am enjoying the fact that they are bringing him back.

 

Not if A-Rod is one of the salacious 11 FA that is involved in the performance-enhancing drug investigation. It just dawned on me that this is a real possibility. It would explain a number of things (including the Ruthian numbers, his gargantuan size, the bizarre Boras-less return to the Yankees and the quickness with which he returned to them). Of course, many good players used steroids, and probably a number that I like.

 

Also, I'm not one to implicate someone without proof, and I don't have proof. But it is a bizarre turn of events at a time when we know there is PLENTY of tumult beneath the FA (and MLB ) surface, which would have a HUGE impact on A-Rods FA value.

 

Also, the most wonderful thing would be the Yankees with 10-years of a deflated, adoration hungry A-Rod at 27m per season.

 

One can hope, right? :dunno:

 

Begin needless destruction of example1 for even THINKING about such a thing..... now.

[jacksonianmarch]

I dont think ARod would be one to use solely because he loves his body a wee bit too much.

[TheKilo]

The Yankees were gonna offer a 5 yr 150 mil extension on top of his 3 yrs 91mil (thats the number that his incentives had him getting' date=' reasonable ones at that) that was coming to him. So that is 8yrs 241mil. That being said, those 41 and 42 yr old seasons are a f***ing BARGAIN!!! LOL. We needed ARod back for his bat. But watching his wrinky ass come to the plate when he is 42 is gonna suck.[/quote']

 

8/241

 

10/300

 

Without Texas money.

 

Who came crawling back?

[jacksonianmarch]

Well, I'm not sure about crawling back, but we do know ARod spends a bunch of time crouched on all fours.

[riverside sluggers]

2008 projected payroll- *192,254,000 (assuming Pettitte & Rivera resign)

 

Catcher- Jorge Posada- $13.1 million

Jose Molina (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20071113&content_id=2299388&vkey=hotstove2007&fext=.jsp , Yankees believe to be close to resigning him). Lets just say $2 million

 

1st Base- Jason Giambi- $21 million

Shelley Duncan- Should make league minimum

 

2nd Base- Robinson Cano- Due for a nice raise from this past season's $490K.

 

Shortstop- Derek Jeter- $20 million

 

3rd Base- Alex Rodriguez- $27.5 million

Wilson Betemit- 2007 season he made made $345K

 

Left Field- Johnny Damon- $13 million

Hideki Matsui- $13 million

 

Center Field- Melky Cabrera- 2007 season he had made $430K

 

Right Field- Bobby Abreu- $16 million

 

Starting Rotation

Chien-Ming Wang- 2007 season made $489K

Andy Pettitte- $16 million

Mike Mussina- $11.5 million

**Carl Pavano- $11 million (Who are we kidding, he'll miss the 2008 season due to anything else he can think up)

Phillip Hughes- Should make league minimum in 08

Joba Chamberlain- Ditto

 

Bullpen

Kei Igawa- $4 million

Brian Bruney- 2007 pay figure not found. He's had 4 years of service, should have at least $1 million coming his way

Kyle Farnsworth- $5.5 million

**Mariano Rivera- $15 million

 

Not sure how the rest of the bullpen would work out. The projected payroll figure I mapped out doesnt consider a complete 25 man roster (I got to 21), as well as what pay raises the rookies will be getting. Add in Mike Lowell, Yankees offering 4 year deal $55-60 million, its just another year of topping $200 million

[ORS]

My problem with salary caps:

 

That money has to go somewhere. The players and coaches are the ones that deserve it. If you put in a salary cap, where does all that extra cash go? To the owner.

Nope, not if you do it right. Set the cap at a percentage of revenues, and it floats with fan interest in the game, and set a floor.

[BSN07]

The attitude that the Yankees gave in is ridiculous to me. The only reason the Yankees weren't going after Rodriguez was the money they lost from Texas. The parameters of the deal are the same they were going to offer before he opted out. A-Rod just lost $20 million that Texas was going to pay. His mistake, and Yankees pay what they wanted from the start.

 

The reason I was so pissed off was Rodriguez opting out after saying he wanted to stay, before he even got an offer. My anger was based on his disingenuous attitude more than anything else. He said he wanted to stay, and then took off presumably knowing the Yankees stance. The fact that he reached out to mend fences makes the difference for me. He went back to the Yankees and took less money than he would have had he not opted out.

 

"My opinion won't change" was based on my expectation of the Steinbrenners caving, and paying $350 million. The way it worked out, I'm ok with it. The opting out really seems to be more Boras wanting to get the contract than Rodriguez wanting to leave, since he's here still.

 

 

 

 

Horse s***, you don't let a player walk over 21M and then give him 300M. They both gave into some pont, alot of us said it was funny Arod left, but if you go back and check we also said there was a chance he would still be a Yankee come next season.

[BSN07]

Not if A-Rod is one of the salacious 11 FA that is involved in the performance-enhancing drug investigation. It just dawned on me that this is a real possibility. It would explain a number of things (including the Ruthian numbers, his gargantuan size, the bizarre Boras-less return to the Yankees and the quickness with which he returned to them). Of course, many good players used steroids, and probably a number that I like.

 

Also, I'm not one to implicate someone without proof, and I don't have proof. But it is a bizarre turn of events at a time when we know there is PLENTY of tumult beneath the FA (and MLB ) surface, which would have a HUGE impact on A-Rods FA value.

 

Also, the most wonderful thing would be the Yankees with 10-years of a deflated, adoration hungry A-Rod at 27m per season.

 

One can hope, right? :dunno:

 

 

 

Begin needless destruction of example1 for even THINKING about such a thing..... now.

 

 

I won't say Arod is on something, hes one of two players in the league, the other being Vlad, that I would be absolutely shockedif he was. Arod a great player plain and simple. If you like him or not. He has some issues but who doesnt. We hate on him more then normak cause hes a Yank.

[rician blast]

I dont think ARod would be one to use solely because he loves his body a wee bit too much.

 

Which is another reason why he WOULD use.

 

With the egos involved, my understanding is that a player often has a lot of difficulty watching other players with less talent garner accolades for their achievements when those achievements are fueled by by PED use.

 

Wasn't it Bonds who someone alleged came into the 2001 season saying he was gonna do the s*** because McGwire and Sosa and others were putting up bigger numbers...but couldn't hold his f***ing jock? So if PED use is as widespread as some would suggest, why would we think ARod would not be influenced...both competetively and egotistically...to use?

[jacksonianmarch]

Which is another reason why he WOULD use.

 

With the egos involved, my understanding is that a player often has a lot of difficulty watching other players with less talent garner accolades for their achievements when those achievements are fueled by by PED use.

 

Wasn't it Bonds who someone alleged came into the 2001 season saying he was gonna do the s*** because McGwire and Sosa and others were putting up bigger numbers...but couldn't hold his f***ing jock? So if PED use is as widespread as some would suggest, why would we think ARod would not be influenced...both competetively and egotistically...to use?

 

my point is that his boyfriends might not enjoy the idea of him having raisin size nads.

[He Hate Me]

Not sure how the rest of the bullpen would work out. The projected payroll figure I mapped out doesnt consider a complete 25 man roster (I got to 21)' date=' as well as what pay raises the rookies will be getting. Add in Mike Lowell, Yankees offering 4 year deal $55-60 million, its just another year of topping $200 million[/quote']

 

you forgot pavano's $11M. But yeah I can agree with it for the most part. I think we're in good shape to make a run at Johan in 2009 since we get $32M off the books from Gimabi and Pavano. Would Johan turn down a 5 year/$125M deal?

[a700hitter]

It's funny. ARod may be the best player in the history of the game, but when he exercised a contractual right to put himself in a better negotiating position, Yankee fans reacted like spurned lovers, because Cashman and the Yankee FO bluffed a line in the sand. "If you walk out that door ARod, We will not take you back." ARod walks out the door cuing tears and anger by the Yankee fans. Now he is back, and they are happy to have him back, but how do they reconcile letting this whore back into their hearts? They buy into the lie that he came crawling back to his true love-- the Yankees and their most knowledgeable fans. Pathetic. Wake up. It's business. It was a business negotiation by both sides. It wasn't some relationship drama. The Yankees were cleverly tying to hold the Texas money over ARod's head by saying "stay, no one will offer you more than us, and we can both screw Texas in the process. Here's 8 years $225 million." Boras probably realized that no one would pay more than the Yankees, but if he opted out, the Yankees would up the ante, which they did. He called their bluff. Believe what you want Yankee fans, but remember this. In his four years with the Yankees, ARod has won two MVPs, but the Red Sox have won two World Championships. Enjoy your Trophy Player. We'll just enjoy the Championship Trophies.

[TheKilo]

WFAN - ARod's deal could exceed $314,000,000.

 

lol. Anyone else wanna tell me that the Yankees got ARod to crawl back?

[TheKilo]

Repost from another board:

 

His old deal consisted of the following:

 

2008 - 2010:

 

$30 million from Texas

$60 million from New York

 

2011 - 2015:

 

Articles indicate the Yankees were prepared to offer $150 million, or $30 million per year for these five years.

 

Total cost to Yankees: $210 million; $26.5 average per year for 8 years

Total cost to Rangers: $30 million

 

Total cash to Arod: $240 million or $30 million average per year over 8 years

 

 

Arod opts out, and the Yankees insist they are through with him. They then sign him to a new deal for $275 million over 10 years, or $27.5 million per year for 10 years.

 

Total cost to Yankees: $275 million; $27.5 average per year for 10 years

Total cost to Rangers: $9 million (deferred money owed to arod over next 3 years)

 

Total cash to Arod: $284 million or $28.4 million per year over 10 years

 

I have ignored the marketing bonuses since I figure Arod could have gotten them from the Yanks had he come to the table before opting out and thus assume they would be a wash.

 

So Arod gets an extra $44 million out of his new deal. Yes, he is locked up for two additional years, but he will be 41 and 42 at that point. Not exactly his prime.

 

The Yankees, on the other hand, are paying out $65 million more under this deal than the old/proposed one. Yes, they get his services for two additional years, but overall all Arod is costing them more per year under the new deal ($27.5) than the old/proposed deal ($26.5). Any spin on this as Arod groveling and begging to come back is complete and utter BS. Arod's opting out cost the Yankees tens of millions of dollars.

[He Hate Me]

WFAN - ARod's deal could exceed $314,000,000.

 

lol. Anyone else wanna tell me that the Yankees got ARod to crawl back?

 

my line stands at 10 yrs $220M for it to be any sort of groveling. This is unbelievably the most disgusting contract I've ever seen. I can't see Cash being ok with this.

 

nvm...reports are he negotiated most of the contract with Randy Levine. ugh anothr Tampa NY power struggle. Absolutely disgusting

 

We would have been better off trading Kennedy, Cabrera, Pavano, Matsui and Damon to the Rays for Crawford and Kazmir or some prospects and using some of this grotesque contract to eat the salaries of Matsui, Damon and Pavano. Absolutely sick.

[a700hitter]

WFAN - ARod's deal could exceed $314,000,000.

 

lol. Anyone else wanna tell me that the Yankees got ARod to crawl back?

It's clear that Yankees bid against themselves here. They look more stupid than the Rangers when they signed him to the 10 original 10-year deal. At least he was young when he signed that deal.

[He Hate Me]

It's clear that Yankees bid against themselves here. They look more stupid than the Rangers when they signed him to the 10 original 10-year deal. At least he was young when he signed that deal.

 

i agree, please continue to shovel on the FO for this craptacular deal. frankly i'm disgusted at the incredible display of stupidity.

[ARod2212]

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3111624&type=blogEntry

 

We know now for certain that none of it was necessary, because in the end, Rodriguez is going to sign for precisely the contract offer he would've gotten from the Yankees had he sat down to negotiate with them during the World Series.

 

Well, not exactly the same offer. The Yankees have insisted, in their face-to-face negotiations with Rodriguez, on deducting about $21.3 million from the final amount -- the number of dollars in subsidy that the Yankees lost from the Texas Rangers when Rodriguez opted out of his current contract. Call it the Boras Tax, if you will.

 

Yes, same parameters.

 

And the deal is worth $275 million. You people saying it's worth $300+ are the same ones who justified Matsuzaka by saying it opened up revenue in Asia. Everything beyond the $275 million is off of HR record revenues, which is basically saying the same thing.

 

And again, my biggest problem with Rodriguez was saying he wanted to be with the Yankees when it seemed he didn't. The fact that he came back tells me he's not as full of it as I assumed he was when he opted out.

 

I get that if there was a bigger offer out there, he would have taken it. But the fact he stayed with the Yankees says he at least had some desire to stay in New York.

 

I honestly think him opting out was based mostly on bad advice from Boras.

[a700hitter]

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3111624&type=blogEntryI get that if there was a bigger offer out there, he would have taken it. But the fact he stayed with the Yankees says he at least had some desire to stay in New York.

 

I honestly think him opting out was based mostly on bad advice from Boras.

He likes you he really likes you. But why would that matter? Baseball is his livelihood, and he's more than willing to sell an autographed baseball for $499 to every single one of "the greatest fans in baseball" to show his appreciation.

[yankees228]

He likes you he really likes you. But why would that matter? Baseball is his livelihood' date=' and he's more than willing to sell an autographed baseball for $499 to every single one of "the greatest fans in baseball" to show his appreciation.[/quote']

 

Right, and it's also a business. A-Rod and Boras are great business men, and this is really just another example.

[Taliesin]

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3111624&type=blogEntry

 

Yes, same parameters.

 

I honestly think him opting out was based mostly on bad advice from Boras.

 

Yeah...like 275 or 300+ make a fiddler's f*** of a difference. It's monopoly money at that point. You're not really arguing that are you. Yes...I suppose you are.

 

First of all...what? The analogy to the Dice-K deal is absurd. There actually is direct revenue coming in from that deal to offset the 51 million to speak with him. I imagine it's already been recouped and been tripled...winning the World Series I'm sure made the Red Sox caps in Tokyo fly off the shelves. John Henry is smarter than the brothers Karamazov. There is a 200 million dollar difference. Dice-K has more big game hits than your boy who you threw away like a two dollar hooker less than a week ago.

 

Where's the direct revenue coming in from this deal? The Queens in Queens who are going to spend all their trick money on merchandise now? The (whichever nationality/race he decides he is) crew will get behind him so to speak and pay for the new Stadium?

 

Bad advice...right. You've never spent a moment in an environment of negotiation clearly and this whole thing was smoke and mirrors and softball/hardball type of ********...they've got the P.R. thing down to a science. Had every intention every last one of them of attempting to upstage the W.S. and every single one of them knew that they needed each other no matter how much they actually despise one another. The Fraud doesn't get more than a 180 offer from any other team and the MFY's would be left w/out their drama and their main draw on the national scale. Big Stein's sons continue his legacy and I can only hope they keep on keeping on.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

A-Rod still pisses me off but for you guys to talk about how much money the Yankees are spending here is laughable. A-Rod will pay for his own contract. The revenue he will bring in will be huge dont kid yourself.

[example1]

A-Rod still pisses me off but for you guys to talk about how much money the Yankees are spending here is laughable. A-Rod will pay for his own contract. The revenue he will bring in will be huge dont kid yourself.

 

Yeah, cause Yankee fans are so utterly devoted to A-Rod. Don't kid yourself, despite his tremendous talent he never won the hearts of the Yankee faithful and was seen as a symptom of their recent non WS finishes. He was getting booed two seasons ago.

 

That said, the Yankees should be happy to have A-ROd helping them to break in the new park.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Yeah, cause Yankee fans are so utterly devoted to A-Rod. Don't kid yourself, despite his tremendous talent he never won the hearts of the Yankee faithful and was seen as a symptom of their recent non WS finishes. He was getting booed two seasons ago.

 

That said, the Yankees should be happy to have A-ROd helping them to break in the new park.

 

So you actually think the fans are gonna ban together and boycott anything with A-Rod on it? Your kidding me right? When A-Rod joined the team in 2004 the attendence was alreay good but it jumped to 4 million. You think the fans arent gonna be into the whole chase for 762? You know fans are hypocrites. The first HR he hits this year everything will be ok, s*** he just resigned and I see everyone jumping back on the bandwagon. A-Rod will bring in so much revenue over his 10 years he will more than pay for himself.

[jacksonianmarch]

ARod is a dick. Regardless, he is probably the best player in the game and we get to watch him finish his career in NY, and maybe he will reclaim the HR record from the roided out f*** called Barry. And if he puts in another yr like last yr, most will forget his ridiculousness.