ARod to opt out of contract

[He Hate Me]

The Yankees were only paying Alexander the Great $14 million/year. Santana is going to cost about $18+ million/year.

 

actually I believe that they were paying ARod over $20M a year because most of the money the Rangerssent to the Yanks didn't kick in till this year or something along those lines.

[ORS]

The truth is' date=' the Yankees will more than likely offer Wang, Cabrera, and a prospect [probably Horne or Tabata'] for Santana. The deal makes a lot of sense for both teams. Cabrera is a cheap replacement for Hunter, and dollar for dollar, Wang is a much better buy than Santana [due to the fact that Wang makes $9.46 a season]. The prospect will just add to the deal.

I'm sorry, but this deal is pennies on the dollar for the best pitcher in baseball. Wang's now done with the minimum. He's in his arb years, so his fiscal appeal is about to take a hit. Cabrera is an unremarkable ball player. Sure he can run a little, and he can hit a little, and he's got a good arm, but this isn't the kind of guy the best pitcher in baseball goes for. No, Minnesota's got a shot next year with Liriano returning and Garza/Baker with experience under their belts. I don't think the Yankees can make a deal without Cano and one of Wang, Chamberlain, or Hughes.

[He Hate Me]

u know what?

 

looks and sounds to me that the yankee's are f***ed

in all my years, i have never witnessed the yankees so f***ing messed up

what the hell is going on over there?

 

it seems to me that the whole organization -top to bottom couldnt find their ass with both hands

 

I think we have a plan for 2008. As for the comment aobut our past history. the early 90's and late 80's were incredibly 10 times worse.

[He Hate Me]

I'm sorry' date=' but this deal is pennies on the dollar for the best pitcher in baseball. Wang's now done with the minimum. He's in his arb years, so his fiscal appeal is about to take a hit. Cabrera is an unremarkable ball player. Sure he can run a little, and he can hit a little, and he's got a good arm, but this isn't the kind of guy the best pitcher in baseball goes for. No, Minnesota's got a shot next year with Liriano returning and Garza/Baker with experience under their belts. I don't think the Yankees can make a deal without Cano and one of Wang, Chamberlain, or Hughes.[/quote']

 

what if they're out of it by the trade deadline, do you think they'd be open to dealing Santana for that package?

[ORS]

Possibly, but why would the Yankees give up starters if they are in contention?

[Gom]

I'm sorry' date=' but this deal is pennies on the dollar for the best pitcher in baseball. Wang's now done with the minimum. He's in his arb years, so his fiscal appeal is about to take a hit. Cabrera is an unremarkable ball player. Sure he can run a little, and he can hit a little, and he's got a good arm, but this isn't the kind of guy the best pitcher in baseball goes for. No, Minnesota's got a shot next year with Liriano returning and Garza/Baker with experience under their belts. I don't think the Yankees can make a deal without Cano and one of Wang, Chamberlain, or Hughes.[/quote']

Then it aint happening, ORS. You aren't giving up a 19 game winner and one of the top three secondbaseman in baseball for anyone. If you lose Wang AND Cano, you don't make the playoffs even with Santana if you are the Yankees. What would be the point of that deal from the Yankees viewpoint? I think Wang, Cabrera, and a high level prospect is as good as they'll get.

 

I still believe that the best option for the Twinkies is to sign Santana. I'm with you, I'm not that big on Cabrera, but for the money, he's a good option to replace Hunter. I'm not that big on Hunter myself. You're not giving up two All-Stars, both in their mid to early 20's and a top tier prospect, for anyone.

[a700hitter]

actually I believe that they were paying ARod over $20M a year because most of the money the Rangerssent to the Yanks didn't kick in till this year or something along those lines.

I have never read that anywhere.

[Gom]

Arod was only being paid 20 million from the yankees...the Rangers were subsidizing his salary by 7 million.

[26 to 6]

You know what I dont understand? Anywhere I hear A-Rod being talked about; ESPN, talk radio, online, etc. he's always marketed as a third baseman. For instance "He'd be a good fit ________ as they could give him the money and have a nice hole at third base." Now that he's not playing with Jeter, I think his best bet is to move back to shortstop, but seemingly that isn't the case. I forget the anchor's name off the top of my head, but on ESPNEWS' The Hot List they had a poll asking where A-Rod should play next year, and when revealing the results he said "x percent of you want to see A-Rod manning th hot corner for the Cubbies." With Aramis there why wouldn't the CUbs play A-Rod at short and move Ronny Cedeno to second?

 

I have a feeling A-Rod will want to return to his position and reclaim his place as the best shortstop in the game.

[TheKilo]

You know what I dont understand? Anywhere I hear A-Rod being talked about; ESPN, talk radio, online, etc. he's always marketed as a third baseman. For instance "He'd be a good fit ________ as they could give him the money and have a nice hole at third base." Now that he's not playing with Jeter, I think his best bet is to move back to shortstop, but seemingly that isn't the case. I forget the anchor's name off the top of my head, but on ESPNEWS' The Hot List they had a poll asking where A-Rod should play next year, and when revealing the results he said "x percent of you want to see A-Rod manning th hot corner for the Cubbies." With Aramis there why wouldn't the CUbs play A-Rod at short and move Ronny Cedeno to second?

 

I have a feeling A-Rod will want to return to his position and reclaim his place as the best shortstop in the game.

 

I can't recall an instance where a player played 3B for four years and moved back to SS with any kind of effectiveness.

 

So your hunch is a hunch, and there is no evidence supporting it.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I think Wang' date=' Cabrera, and a high level prospect is as good as they'll get. [/quote']

 

Here is a big reason the Minnesota Twins will not make a trade involving Johan Santana....Francisco Liriano.

 

Once they have that two-headed monster rolling and healthy you are looking at an excellent rotation that (if) they can make the playoffs will create all sorts of problems. That is the key to the Minnesota Twins success.

 

Some other toughts...Wang and Santana are about the same age and Johan Santana is better.

 

So the Twins weaken there rotation but add Melky Cabrera who is not the caliber player of Torii Hunter.

 

Maybe the Twins can add Hughes or Chamberlain but the Twins would ruin the best thing they have going for themselves heading into 2008....Santana and Liriano

[26 to 6]

I can't recall an instance where a player played 3B for four years and moved back to SS with any kind of effectiveness.

 

So your hunch is a hunch, and there is no evidence supporting it.

I understand your point, but it's not like we're talking about any player here, I mean it's Alex Rodriguez. He made a special exception so he could play for the Yankees, and now that he's not playing for the Yankees anymore I think if he wants to play SS he should be able to do so.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Atlanta Braves have an open position at SS now that they traded Edgar Renteria. They aren't going to bring back Andruw Jones.

 

Perhaps they would be interested in Julio Lugo and Coco Crisp. The Red Sox can stick Alex Rodriguez at SS and resign Mike Lowell for 3B.

[yankeessuck013]

Atlanta Braves have an open position at SS now that they traded Edgar Renteria. They aren't going to bring back Andruw Jones.

 

Perhaps they would be interested in Julio Lugo and Coco Crisp. The Red Sox can stick Alex Rodriguez at SS and resign Mike Lowell for 3B.

 

I would love that.

 

But, they have Yunel Escobar, which made Renteria expendable. Escobar hit .326 in 94 games last year with 5 HRs and 28 RBI. He's going to be a hell of a player. The Braves wanted to save money because they need SP so with Escobar trading Rents was the obvious choice. Also look for Torii Hunter/Mike Cameron to be the Braves CF next year with Cameron being the most logical choice.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Braves wont just take 2 spare parts off your team for nothing.

 

Crisp will be easier to deal. His contract is manageable and his defense is superb. If he recovers his bat from Cleveland, he could be quite a steal. Lugo, OTOH, has really no useful attributes. His bat sucks. His glove sucks. Even his arm sucks. All he has is speed and a bear of a contract. I have a feeling Lugo is your starting SS next season and Crisp is suiting up elsewhere.

[yankees228]

I'm sorry' date=' but this deal is pennies on the dollar for the best pitcher in baseball. Wang's now done with the minimum. He's in his arb years, so his fiscal appeal is about to take a hit. Cabrera is an unremarkable ball player. Sure he can run a little, and he can hit a little, and he's got a good arm, but this isn't the kind of guy the best pitcher in baseball goes for. No, Minnesota's got a shot next year with Liriano returning and Garza/Baker with experience under their belts. I don't think the Yankees can make a deal without Cano and one of Wang, Chamberlain, or Hughes.[/quote']

 

What about Santana for Wang, Kennedy, and Cabrera? I would still have to think about that from a Yankee's perspective, but it makes a lot more sense from a Twins perspective than some of the other ideas being thrown around here (trying to get Santana without giving up either Hughes, Chamberlain, or Kennedy).

[jacksonianmarch]

I have said before that Wang or Cano going to Minnesota would enable us to keep our major league roster otherwise intact. There is no other team that could offer a two time 19 game winner or a .300+ hitting powerful 24 yr old second baseman. This is not pennies on the dollar. This is getting cheaper alternatives that can help on either the offensive or pitching side of things. Dealing both Wang and Kennedy and Cabrera is unnecessary.

[TheKilo]

I have said before that Wang or Cano going to Minnesota would enable us to keep our major league roster otherwise intact. There is no other team that could offer a two time 19 game winner or a .300+ hitting powerful 24 yr old second baseman. This is not pennies on the dollar. This is getting cheaper alternatives that can help on either the offensive or pitching side of things. Dealing both Wang and Kennedy and Cabrera is unnecessary.

 

Offering both isn't. One is.

[yankees228]

I have said before that Wang or Cano going to Minnesota would enable us to keep our major league roster otherwise intact. There is no other team that could offer a two time 19 game winner or a .300+ hitting powerful 24 yr old second baseman. This is not pennies on the dollar. This is getting cheaper alternatives that can help on either the offensive or pitching side of things. Dealing both Wang and Kennedy and Cabrera is unnecessary.

 

It might be. Because of their rotation the Twins realize that they have a shot to win this year, and the Yankees would have to make it worth there while to give that up.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The Braves wont just take 2 spare parts off your team for nothing.

 

Yeah I would assume we would get something for them rather than the Braves giving us "nothing"

 

The Braves aren't going to spend big money on free agents and they need to replace Renteria and Jones. They may be able to do it within the organization but they might work out a trade. Since the Red Sox are great at paying for a majority of there players money...I'm sure the Braves would have interest since they can get major league players at a low cost (its a good deal no matter what you think about Lugo and Crisp)

[LUGOforMVP]

You know what I dont understand? Anywhere I hear A-Rod being talked about; ESPN, talk radio, online, etc. he's always marketed as a third baseman. For instance "He'd be a good fit ________ as they could give him the money and have a nice hole at third base." Now that he's not playing with Jeter, I think his best bet is to move back to shortstop, but seemingly that isn't the case. I forget the anchor's name off the top of my head, but on ESPNEWS' The Hot List they had a poll asking where A-Rod should play next year, and when revealing the results he said "x percent of you want to see A-Rod manning th hot corner for the Cubbies." With Aramis there why wouldn't the CUbs play A-Rod at short and move Ronny Cedeno to second?

 

I have a feeling A-Rod will want to return to his position and reclaim his place as the best shortstop in the game.

 

I remember reading that A-Rod put on weight to become a better slugger and can't move like he used to. He doesn't want to go back to SS.

[jacksonianmarch]

he lost that weight prior to this season and broke out.

[mtbykr]

Not sure if this was posted already:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3091277

 

 

 

 

Before Alex Rodriguez opted out of his contract with the Yankees earlier this week, the team was told that it would not be able to meet with the third baseman unless it presented an offer of at least $350 million, sources say.

[jacksonianmarch]

thats funny. A 350mil deal? Laughable. f*** him.

[ARod2212]

Regarding Rodriguez, who exactly is going to pay him? Every team has come out and said "well, it'd be nice, but it's a reach to expect us to land him." Teams see what happened to Texas when they invested in Rodriguez, and I think owners may not want to make that same mistake. I really hope Boras gets bit on this one.

 

I don't think the Twins would be interested in Wang. He's a sinkerballer who has terrible numbers on Astroturf. How does that make him a good fit in Minnesota?

[Gom]

I think that both you guys and us hate Scott Boras.

 

You know what I hope for? The rumor is he has a deal in place with another team, which is why he opted out. I hope that this rumored team pulls it's offer off the table, leaving Boras high and dry. I hope that whichever team Arod ends up with offers him a lesser salary than what he would have made with the Yankees.

 

Finally, then, Boras would lose that superagent status.