GOM's plan to fix the Yankees

[Cocos Disciples]

Why would the Twins trade Santana with Liriano coming back next year?

 

Reeeeeeeetarded.

 

Definitely. If Liriano is anything close to what we saw in 2006, they will contend for a playoff spot.

[ORS]

Why would the Twins trade Santana with Liriano coming back next year?

 

Reeeeeeeetarded.

This is something I think people really fail to consider. With those two and the experience gained by Baker and Garza, backed up by their very good BP, I would consider them early favorites to win the AL Central, and possibly the whole shebang.

 

I think the package to pry Santana away one year early with have to be gangbusters. At a minimum they'll see what they've got, and if it doesn't pan out, trade him to a contender needing a push down the stretch.

[jacksonianmarch]

Se ORS, I disagree. A deal for Santana at the deadline would be way too complicated and would be gambling with a large chance of bankrupting. If you do it in the offseason, you have time to grant windows for negotiation and the time to take multiple teams' offers. I do agree that they wont deal him for nothing and would rather see him walk and get the picks than get nothing in return. But this offseason, they have the potential to get a lot more than that. Think about it. The Angels have some serious bats they could throw their way including Wood, Kotchmann etc and then some serious pitching prospects as well. The Mets could put a package together of Milledge, Gomez and their other dominican dynamite OFer or Pelfrey or Humber or whomever. The Yankees have the trump card IMO if they want to move Cano, or they could get raped in the minor/major league pitching department. Either way, moving the types of guys that would have to move in a Santana deal will require time to replace them, and that is best done in the offseason. Also, right now, it is pretty obvious that the twins wont resign him and that he wants out.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cano, Horne, and Tabata for Johan?

 

lulz

 

Why is that so funny? Cano is a 24 yr old good fielding 2b with 3 seasons of .300 hitting under his belt and improving power #s. He is exactly what the twins need.

[ORS]

Se ORS' date=' I disagree. A deal for Santana at the deadline would be way too complicated and would be gambling with a large chance of bankrupting. If you do it in the offseason, you have time to grant windows for negotiation and the time to take multiple teams' offers. I do agree that they wont deal him for nothing and would rather see him walk and get the picks than get nothing in return. But this offseason, they have the potential to get a lot more than that. Think about it. The Angels have some serious bats they could throw their way including Wood, Kotchmann etc and then some serious pitching prospects as well. The Mets could put a package together of Milledge, Gomez and their other dominican dynamite OFer or Pelfrey or Humber or whomever. The Yankees have the trump card IMO if they want to move Cano, or they could get raped in the minor/major league pitching department. Either way, moving the types of guys that would have to move in a Santana deal will require time to replace them, and that is best done in the offseason. Also, right now, it is pretty obvious that the twins wont resign him and that he wants out.[/quote']

Did that mental masturbatory emission clear your head enough to think straight?

 

Winning the WS still means something to teams other than the Yankees. I think they'll have a great shot next year with that rotation. And, if it doesn't pan out, they'll still be able to get a nice prospect package at the deadline. Best of both worlds.

[TheKilo]

Why is that so funny? Cano is a 24 yr old good fielding 2b with 3 seasons of .300 hitting under his belt and improving power #s. He is exactly what the twins need.

 

Cano is a nice place to start the offer.

 

Tell me, are you willing to part with Cano, Joba, and Kennedy for Santana?

[ORS]

Joba? You mean Santana, Liriano, and Mauer for Joba, right?

[TheKilo]

Joba? You mean Santana' date=' Liriano, and Mauer for Joba, right?[/quote']

 

lol

 

I was banned from mfyfans, what's Hughes4.46's predictions for Joba?

[Cocos Disciples]

lol I tried to register at NYYfans to read some stuff, got this:

 

August 28, 2007

 

Dear Yankee Fan,

 

Part of the reason NYYFans.com is the best place to talk about the Yankees is because we're proactive in keeping troublemakers off of our forum. To that end, new user registration has been temporarily disabled due to the Yankees' upcoming series with the Red Sox. Red Sox fans are a particularly rowdy bunch, and we've found that turning off registration has prevented problems in the past.

 

Please stay tuned, as registration should be re-opened sometime within the next week or so. I apologize for the inconvenience, but I promise you - it will be worth the wait.

 

Regards,

Jim F.

NYYF Admin

[ORS]

Upcoming series?

 

Nice, f***sticks.

[jacksonianmarch]

Cano is a nice place to start the offer.

 

Tell me, are you willing to part with Cano, Joba, and Kennedy for Santana?

 

absolutely not. Cano is the best player the twins will get in return. And if they want Cano, then he will be the only major leaguer they get in return from us. Like I said before...

 

Cano + our best minor league pitching prospect (Horne) + our best minor league hitting prospect (Tabata) would get it done. Remember, Cano is a .300 hitter with 30+ homer potential who is getting more and more patient as the yrs go on. he also plays a typically non powerful position rather well and is 24 yrs old. There is no other team that will even come close to offering any one player who is better than Cano. And if they want more than that, then we take our chances with Joba. BTW, I wouldnt deal Joba for Santana period. Joba has better stuff.

[TheKilo]

absolutely not. Cano is the best player the twins will get in return. And if they want Cano, then he will be the only major leaguer they get in return from us. Like I said before...

 

Cano + our best minor league pitching prospect (Horne) + our best minor league hitting prospect (Tabata) would get it done. Remember, Cano is a .300 hitter with 30+ homer potential who is getting more and more patient as the yrs go on. he also plays a typically non powerful position rather well and is 24 yrs old. There is no other team that will even come close to offering any one player who is better than Cano. And if they want more than that, then we take our chances with Joba. BTW, I wouldnt deal Joba for Santana period. Joba has better stuff.

 

lol, you you wouldn't trade Joba for about as close to a "sure thing" as it gets in terms of a starter?

 

You still don't know if Joba can translate into a starter. IMO...his real value would be in the pen.

[Soxfan1]

No the Yanks would teach Damon how to play second after dealing Cano.

[ARod2212]

Upcoming series?

 

Nice, f***sticks.

The reply was sent August 28th, which was during a Yankees-Sox series.

 

The Twins won't trade Johan until next year. They're going to make a run at it with Santana-Liriano at the top. They've got a good bullpen and enough offensive players to do something. It'll be interesting to see if the Mets dangle Reyes at the Twins and see if they bite. I really don't see a Reyes-Randolph marriage working. Reyes doesn't hustle, and Randolph hates that. At some point one of them is going to have to go. And maybe the Mets make a play for A-Rod to play short.

 

f*** Bonds, I don't want him. To me, you can't begin to discuss this team until you sign A-Rod. That is priority, then you work from there.

[Gom]

This is something I think people really fail to consider. With those two and the experience gained by Baker and Garza, backed up by their very good BP, I would consider them early favorites to win the AL Central, and possibly the whole shebang.

 

I think the package to pry Santana away one year early with have to be gangbusters. At a minimum they'll see what they've got, and if it doesn't pan out, trade him to a contender needing a push down the stretch.

I must admit, I completely agree. It would be foolish for the Twins to do anything but to sign Santana THEMSELVES. If Liriano comes back, they would have the best 1-2 punch in baseball and would have to be considered one of the favorites. If, for whatever reason, they are not in the race, they can trade him. You think that the Yankees, or Sox, or Mets will give up any less at mid-season considering he is signed, as long as he agrees not to opt out of his deal if traded?

 

Get real. As much as I would love to see Santana in pinstripes next year, the reality is that Minnesota is foolish to trade him right now. Wait until July next year to figure it out.

[See Red]

I must admit, I completely agree. It would be foolish for the Twins to do anything but to sign Santana THEMSELVES. If Liriano comes back, they would have the best 1-2 punch in baseball and would have to be considered one of the favorites. If, for whatever reason, they are not in the race, they can trade him. You think that the Yankees, or Sox, or Mets will give up any less at mid-season considering he is signed, as long as he agrees not to opt out of his deal if traded?

 

Get real. As much as I would love to see Santana in pinstripes next year, the reality is that Minnesota is foolish to trade him right now. Wait until July next year to figure it out.

 

... he will be wearing pinstripes next year. In fact, the Twins have pinstripes on both their home and road uniforms.

[He Hate Me]

Did that mental masturbatory emission clear your head enough to think straight?

 

Winning the WS still means something to teams other than the Yankees. I think they'll have a great shot next year with that rotation. And, if it doesn't pan out, they'll still be able to get a nice prospect package at the deadline. Best of both worlds.

 

I think you have to consider that the Twins are owned by the biggest misers in baseball who favor the bottom line over winning. Also, I'm not sure how smart their FO will be without Ryan.

[ORS]

I've considered it. A postseason appearance is worth substantially more money than Santana's '08 salary. The miserly behavior will be witnessed through them not paying him more with an extension.

[He Hate Me]

I've considered it. A postseason appearance is worth substantially more money than Santana's '08 salary. The miserly behavior will be witnessed through them not paying him more with an extension.

 

and I doubt he will sign that extension offer, thereby forcing the Twins to deal him or lose him in FA and getting the draft picks. I must point out that I wouldn't be surprised if the Twins went in either direction.

[ORS]

I think you are missing the point. Sure, they'll trade him, but I think they see what they've got first. With him and Liriano, they are automatic contenders out of the gate. If something happens to make them falter early in the year, they can still trade him before the deadline and get a very good return. The only thing that would shock me is if he's traded before the season starts*.

 

*Caveat: Unless the trade package is too rich to turn down. The Cano+Horne(are you f***ing serious)+Tabata(losing luster) type deal doesn't do it. Not now, hell, maybe not even at the deadline.

[ORS]

Joba? You mean Santana' date=' Liriano, and Mauer for Joba, right?[/quote']

BTW, I wouldnt deal Joba for Santana period. Joba has better stuff.

It begins.

 

Wouldn't trade him for Hughes straight up last year, either.

[Gom]

I think you are missing the point. Sure, they'll trade him, but I think they see what they've got first. With him and Liriano, they are automatic contenders out of the gate. If something happens to make them falter early in the year, they can still trade him before the deadline and get a very good return. The only thing that would shock me is if he's traded before the season starts*.

 

*Caveat: Unless the trade package is too rich to turn down. The Cano+Horne(are you f***ing serious)+Tabata(losing luster) type deal doesn't do it. Not now, hell, maybe not even at the deadline.

Well, ORS, just what will get this guy? I don't see the Yankees moving Cano. Period. So I guess the deal doesn't get done. However, just what team is out there than can offer more than the Yankees or the Dodgers? Will you trade Ellsbury/Buchholz?

[ORS]

I think Cano+Hughes+Duncan probably does it. Hughes had a rough start, but you can see the talent is there, and more importantly, he's taken some of his lumps already, so he's MLB ready. Horne is slotted for AAA next year. They could use some serious life out of their DH spot. He won't hit for a high BA, and he'll K a lot, but Duncan does have good power.

 

Would I trade Ellsbury/Buchholz? Sure thing. It would hurt losing an exciting young CF/leadoff type and promising young pitcher, but look at what it would do to the rotation. Santana and Beckett plus good potential for improvement from Dice and Lester, where do I sign up? I don't think an extension would be hard to hammer out for a big club, then he's yours through his prime.

 

Ignoring the Dodgers for a second, who could offer more than the Yankees? Well, if Cano, Hughes, and Joba are off the table, then just about everyone. Those are your three most tradable commodities.

 

Now including the Dodgers, they and the Angels probably have the most spare change to get it done with a gangbusters package.

[He Hate Me]

I think you are missing the point. Sure, they'll trade him, but I think they see what they've got first. With him and Liriano, they are automatic contenders out of the gate. If something happens to make them falter early in the year, they can still trade him before the deadline and get a very good return. The only thing that would shock me is if he's traded before the season starts*.

 

*Caveat: Unless the trade package is too rich to turn down. The Cano+Horne(are you f***ing serious)+Tabata(losing luster) type deal doesn't do it. Not now, hell, maybe not even at the deadline.

 

the only thing I have to say to your caveat is Pedro for Carl Pavano and Tony Armas

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I wouldn't say you sucked- you just weren't the best team, or even one of the top 2 or three in the AL

 

Clemens really hurt you guys in Game 3. I know they won but if he pitches 5 or 6 then Hughes comes in last night instead of Mussina.

 

Fixing the yankees isnt that tough- its called don't panic, don't fire cashman, and don't demand a WS next year, in a couple years you guys will be a force.

 

Didn't Mussina pitch like 5 with 2 ER? What more do you want out of a guy?

[He Hate Me]

I think Cano+Hughes+Duncan probably does it. Hughes had a rough start, but you can see the talent is there, and more importantly, he's taken some of his lumps already, so he's MLB ready. Horne is slotted for AAA next year. They could use some serious life out of their DH spot. He won't hit for a high BA, and he'll K a lot, but Duncan does have good power.

 

Would I trade Ellsbury/Buchholz? Sure thing. It would hurt losing an exciting young CF/leadoff type and promising young pitcher, but look at what it would do to the rotation. Santana and Beckett plus good potential for improvement from Dice and Lester, where do I sign up? I don't think an extension would be hard to hammer out for a big club, then he's yours through his prime.

 

Ignoring the Dodgers for a second, who could offer more than the Yankees? Well, if Cano, Hughes, and Joba are off the table, then just about everyone. Those are your three most tradable commodities.

 

Now including the Dodgers, they and the Angels probably have the most spare change to get it done with a gangbusters package.

 

I would do Hughes + Duncan + Tabata + another minor league pitcher. I think the Twins would probably look at that with some interest. I'm not opposed to trading Hughes since Johan isn't that old.

[ORS]

the only thing I have to say to your caveat is Pedro for Carl Pavano and Tony Armas

That was the Expos, owned by MLB and looking to dump salary. Pedro had just won the CYA and was heading to arbitration. Santana is in the last year of a 4 year extension that avoided his arb years at a consistent rate. Apples to oranges.

[ORS]

I would do Hughes + Duncan + Tabata + another minor league pitcher. I think the Twins would probably look at that with some interest. I'm not opposed to trading Hughes since Johan isn't that old.

Do the math. You just replaced Cano with a guy who didn't amaze in A+ and an unnamed MiLB pitcher. Do you make that trade?

[He Hate Me]

That was the Expos' date=' owned by MLB and looking to dump salary. Pedro had just won the CYA and was heading to arbitration. Santana is in the last year of a 4 year extension that avoided his arb years at a consistent rate. Apples to oranges.[/quote']

 

The Expos were taken over by MLB in 2002, the Pedro trade was in 1997.

 

in either case, you have a stellar young pitcher that the club cannot afford or is unwilling to pay market value, and therefore has to think about other options via trade.

 

Do the math. You just replaced Cano with a guy who didn't amaze in A+ and an unnamed MiLB pitcher. Do you make that trade?

 

I would look at it with interest if the minor league pitcher was an excellent prospect and had a great year in AAA or AA

[TheKilo]

 

 

I would look at it with interest if the minor league pitcher was an excellent prospect and had a great year in AAA or AA

 

Umm, a MiLB pitcher is not worth Robbie Cano, the man, the kid, the legend.

 

Would you trade Robbie for a MiLB pitcher who had a great year in AAA or AA? of course not. Why would you expect others to?