Pre-Trade Suggestions...Start by Benching Crisp and Lugo IMMEDIATELY...then..

[NomahsHammSammich]

Stick Willy Mo in CF... at least with Willy Mo there is a threat of him doing something. I think if he got into an everyday groove he could actually be a productive player. His defense is horrnendous..but CF is actually less spacious than RF in Fenway so I think he would be a little less than an average CF.,... Crisp is one of the worst statistical hitters in baseball..period. He has had almost a year of AB's since his injury and has proven time and time again that he is a horrific hitter. He had a .272 OBP and .572 OPS going into tonight... Lugo also has a .270 OBP and this clown hit leadoff for most of the 1st half..

 

I cannot believe someone started a thread on here bemoaning Ortiz and Manny? Are you freaking kidding me? I think it is amazing that they have over 30 RBI's COLLECTIVELEY with Lugo and Crisp hitting 1 and 2 for a good portion of the year so far! My god!

 

The Braintrust should know by now that Coco and Lugo suck.

 

Crisp should now be relegated to 4th outfielder and pinch running duties. Give Willy Mo his AB's and see what he can do until the trade deadline nears.

 

Next...BENCH LUGO IMMEDIATELY>..He is a below average-average defensive SS who statisticall has the worst average and OBP combination of any strarting SS in Major League Baseball...

 

Star Cora. I know Cora is nothing special...but at least he can play a VERY high level SS and chip in some clutch hits now and again. Having Cora at SS gives us a VERY good defensive infield. Use Lugo to pinch run late in games.

 

The order should now be

 

Drew

Pedroia

Ortiz

Manny

Youkilis

Lowell

Tek

Willy Mo

Cora

 

 

That lineup gives us the best chance to win. I think Drew may be good at the top of the lineup once he gets used to it..he seems to still be able to draw walks once in awhile..and I think Pedroia is an ideal(contact) 2 hitter. Maybe get some hit and running going with Drew..he can still run pretty well.

 

When this fails..Theo will need to make a deal...but I think right now..this coulkd save us some games.

[schillingouttheks]

I agree with benching Coco. He's done nothing but suck. I can give up some defense to have a bat in the lineup that has the potential to crank one into NH at any given moment. That said, WMP isn't a horrendous defensive CF, he's average. He's below average at the corners. For some reason he can read the ball off the bat a little better in CF. That said, I would rather have Ellsbury called up. He's already shown that he can rake at all the levels he's been at so far, and he's adjusted relatively quickly from what I remember. He would be a better bat than Crisp and he'd be just as good a defender, if not better, than Crisp.

 

Next, I think you have to leave Lugo at SS. Sure, he sucks major cock, but so does Cora given regular playing time. At least Lugo has some speed. And, if he's batting in the 9 hole, he's where the sucky players are supposed to be.

 

I think Drew can find his way out of the slump more than the other guys can. My ideal lineup:

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Ortiz

Ramirez

Lowell

Youkilis

Drew

Varitek

Lugo

 

If no Ellsbury, then:

 

Youkilis

Pedroia

Ortiz

Ramirez

Lowell

Pena

Drew

Varitek

Lugo

 

I liked CrespoBlows's lineup from the other thread.

 

As far as trades go, I have no idea. I would ship Lugo out and eat his salary if it means bringing in an upgrade. I would also package Coco with someone else to beef up the bullpen a bit, or land a nice starter (thereby giving Lester the year in AAA and filling a hole in the rotation next year).

[NomahsHammSammich]

I agree with benching Coco. He's done nothing but suck. I can give up some defense to have a bat in the lineup that has the potential to crank one into NH at any given moment. That said, WMP isn't a horrendous defensive CF, he's average. He's below average at the corners. For some reason he can read the ball off the bat a little better in CF. That said, I would rather have Ellsbury called up. He's already shown that he can rake at all the levels he's been at so far, and he's adjusted relatively quickly from what I remember. He would be a better bat than Crisp and he'd be just as good a defender, if not better, than Crisp.

 

Next, I think you have to leave Lugo at SS. Sure, he sucks major cock, but so does Cora given regular playing time. At least Lugo has some speed. And, if he's batting in the 9 hole, he's where the sucky players are supposed to be.

 

I think Drew can find his way out of the slump more than the other guys can. My ideal lineup:

 

Ellsbury

Pedroia

Ortiz

Ramirez

Lowell

Youkilis

Drew

Varitek

Lugo

 

If no Ellsbury, then:

 

Youkilis

Pedroia

Ortiz

Ramirez

Lowell

Pena

Drew

Varitek

Lugo

 

I liked CrespoBlows's lineup from the other thread.

 

As far as trades go, I have no idea. I would ship Lugo out and eat his salary if it means bringing in an upgrade. I would also package Coco with someone else to beef up the bullpen a bit, or land a nice starter (thereby giving Lester the year in AAA and filling a hole in the rotation next year).

 

 

Good point about Jacoby. He has a .426 OBP at AAA..even if he fell 100 points in OBP making the jump to the bigs..he would still be WELL ahead of Crisp and Lugo.

 

This team needs a Kickstart! Free Jacoby and or Willy Mo!

[CrespoBlows]

Stick Willy Mo in CF... at least with Willy Mo there is a threat of him doing something. I think if he got into an everyday groove he could actually be a productive player. His defense is horrnendous..but CF is actually less spacious than RF in Fenway so I think he would be a little less than an average CF.,... Crisp is one of the worst statistical hitters in baseball..period.

 

He has had almost a year of AB's since his injury and has proven time and time again that he is a horrific hitter. He had a .272 OBP and .572 OPS going into tonight... Lugo also has a .270 OBP and this clown hit leadoff for most of the 1st half..

 

I cannot believe someone started a thread on here bemoaning Ortiz and Manny? Are you freaking kidding me? I think it is amazing that they have over 30 RBI's COLLECTIVELEY with Lugo and Crisp hitting 1 and 2 for a good portion of the year so far! My god!

 

The Braintrust should know by now that Coco and Lugo suck.

 

Crisp should now be relegated to 4th outfielder and pinch running duties. Give Willy Mo his AB's and see what he can do until the trade deadline nears.

 

I agree with everything up to this point, but even then, it's just a small disagreement.

 

Next...BENCH LUGO IMMEDIATELY>..He is a below average-average defensive SS who statisticall has the worst average and OBP combination of any strarting SS in Major League Baseball...

 

Star Cora. I know Cora is nothing special...but at least he can play a VERY high level SS and chip in some clutch hits now and again. Having Cora at SS gives us a VERY good defensive infield. Use Lugo to pinch run late in games.

 

Cora is slumping very badly. He's hitting .150/.186/.150/.336 over the last month, and his defense isn't at an elite level at SS. (It certaintly is at second)

 

Lugo, however, is probably the worst everyday regular in major league baseball, and his glove is costing the Red Sox games. Lugo still is an effective hitter at Fenway, and while his average is atrocious against LHP, he is getting on base at a decent clip, and his slugging percentage is acceptable. His BABIP is at a woeful .208, which may suggest that Lugo has been somewhat unlucky, and his average might normalize.

 

Getting to the point, I propose a platoon of Cora and Lugo. An extremely odd one.

 

vs LHP (Away) - Lugo

vs RHP (Away) - Cora

 

vs LHP (Home) - Lugo

vs RHP (Home) - Lugo

 

Based on this year's sample sizes (small, I know, but we got to try something else) both players are played in which they are suited best.

 

Lugo (2007 at Home) - .281/.344/.404/.748

Lugo (2007 vs LHP) - .210/.324/.371/.695 (BABIP - .208)

Lugo (Career at Fenway) - .306/.364/.450/.814

 

Cora (2007 vs Away) - .333/.367/.622/.989

Cora (2007 vs RHP) - .284/.330/.457/.787

 

I strongly doubt that this would work over a period of a season, but with a little bit of strategy, luck normalizing, and players playing to their skill level. This might be OK, for a month, until Lugo gets his stroke back.

 

 

 

The order should now be

 

Drew

Pedroia

Ortiz

Manny

Youkilis

Lowell

Tek

Willy Mo

Cora

 

 

That lineup gives us the best chance to win. I think Drew may be good at the top of the lineup once he gets used to it..he seems to still be able to draw walks once in awhile..and I think Pedroia is an ideal(contact) 2 hitter. Maybe get some hit and running going with Drew..he can still run pretty well.

 

I like your idea of Drew at the top of the lineup, but while he's still mirred in his slump, I'd think you'd have to drop him lower in the lineup.

 

As Dr. Jacko pointed out, the lack of RBI's from Ortiz and Ramirez are troubling. In order to give that a little kick, our highest OBP guys have to be toward the top of the lineup. Youkilis' .422 OBP, would be better served in the leadoff or second spot in the lineup. I don't know why he was dropped, the lineup was doing splendid when he was in the second spot. If I'm writing the lineup cards, I'd go with something like this:

 

1. Pedroia, .395/.436

2. Youkilis, .422/.527

3. Ortiz, .449/.603

4. Ramirez, .390/.461

5. Lowell, .372/.556

6. Drew, .344/.352 (drop to eight against LHP)

7. Pena, .318/.429 (switch with Varitek against LHP)

8. Varitek, .361/.454

9. Lugo, .270/.317 (platoon with Cora)

 

The front eight of that Red Sox lineup was the potential to absolutely mash, and if the platoon works just a little bit, that's a legit offensive juggernaut.

 

Supposedly, the Red Sox are an organization based on sabermetrics. Just take a look at those, why on earth was Francona giving an extra PA per game to those two black holes?

 

When this fails..Theo will need to make a deal...but I think right now..this coulkd save us some games.

 

I think we need another arm in that bullpen, and we need to quit babying our prospects. Buchholtz has dominated AA ball, and needs to get up to AAA. Julian Tavarez can not be taking the ball every 5th day, and if the front office has no intention of bringing up Jon Lester, they should pull the trigger for a trade to upgrade there.

 

I have to laugh at the "if it ain't fix don't break it" mentality. Without a few tweaks the whole f***ing thing falls apart.

 

Maybe this losing streak was actually good for the team.

[Gom]

Umm...any trade suggestions?

[BSN07]

CF- Lofton, or Rowand(these are more likely options then my next few suggestions)

 

 

Send Coco(plus this yrs salary and 25% of hins remaining contract.), Hansen and one more player to ATL for Salty.

 

 

SS- I doubt theres anyways to send Lugo to another team without paying about 75% of his contract so were stuck with him at this point. If you can get Salty you might beable tot turn him around for a decent SS, or hold onto him either or.

[riverside sluggers]

I know Ive said this before

 

Send Joel Pineiro (eat some of his contract naturally) and Brandon Moss to the San Diego Padres for Scott Linebrink

 

The Padres are in need of a right fielder with some pop and are said to be willing to deal off Linebrink. Moss is being blocked by the outfield logjam and deserves to get a chance somewhere on a team as a starting outfielder. His stats should be attractive as he's batting .306 with 12 HRs. Sox boost their bullpen by having teams to face a back end of Linebrink, Okajima, Papelbon

[CrespoBlows]

Umm...any trade suggestions?

 

A few, expanding on the last paragraph.

 

Eric Gagne

Akinori Otsuka

Jon Garland

Mark Buehrle

[CrespoBlows]

I know Ive said this before

 

Send Joel Pineiro (eat some of his contract naturally) and Brandon Moss to the San Diego Padres for Scott Linebrink

 

The Padres are in need of a right fielder with some pop and are said to be willing to deal off Linebrink. Moss is being blocked by the outfield logjam and deserves to get a chance somewhere on a team as a starting outfielder. His stats should be attractive as he's batting .306 with 12 HRs. Sox boost their bullpen by having teams to face a back end of Linebrink, Okajima, Papelbon

 

I don't think the Padres are going to be trading anyone in that bullpen.

 

They don't really need an LF, anyway. Giles is in RF, Cameron is in CF, and Jose Cruz is in LF.

[ANiMAL]

A few, expanding on the last paragraph.

 

Eric Gagne

Akinori Otsuka

Jon Garland

Mark Buehrle

 

I don't see the White Sox parting ways from their young lefty hurler.

[Rdsxmbnt]

I liked a poster at soxprospects idea to change things up.

 

Trade Lowell and (crisp?) for Hunter

Trade a package headed by Bowden, + others for Teixeira

 

1. Pedroia

2. Youkillis

3. Ortiz

4. Manny

5. Teixeria

6. Hunter

7. Drew

8. Varitek

9. Lugo

[Metropolitan Cowboy]

I liked a poster at soxprospects idea to change things up.

 

Trade Lowell and (crisp?) for Hunter

Trade a package headed by Bowden, + others for Teixeira

 

1. Pedroia

2. Youkillis

3. Ortiz

4. Manny

5. Teixeria

6. Hunter

7. Drew

8. Varitek

9. Lugo

 

 

You have a better chance of digging out Teddy Ballgame and having him DH.

[schillingouttheks]

Lowell and Crisp for Hunter? Look, I would like that assuming your trade for Teixeira went through, but I highly doubt that the Twins give up Hunter considering the year he's having and that they won't be out of contention. Bowden and another prospect would get it done for Teixeira if the Rangers really are willing to part with him (with their needs at SP I can't see how they'd pass up Bowden), but that can only be done if we find a deal for Lowell or Youkilis. It's not in the Twins best interest to give up Hunter with the year he's having.

[adam123]

No way to giving up Youkillis. He's to great keep him around.

[TedWilliams101]

I just have to ask the question again. HOW THE HELL DID LUGO GET $8 MILLION A YEAR!

[CrespoBlows]

I just have to ask the question again. HOW THE HELL DID LUGO GET $8 MILLION A YEAR!

 

The average value for hitters on the free agent market skyrocketed.

 

Lugo career - .272/.335/.396

 

Cabrera career - 273/.321/.406

 

Cabrera got 4 years $32 million, which is comparable to Julio Lugo.

[MANNYHOF24]

Here is a small suggestion, try flipping Manny to third and Ortiz to 4th. With Youk batting 5th. I remember when the two guys were kind of struggling Tito has done this in the past. This may do nothing but it is certainly worth a shot. For the weekend I would like to see a lineup of

 

Drew

Pedroia

Ramirez

Ortiz

Youk

Lowell

Pena

Tek

Lugo/Cora

 

I think it is beyond clear that Coco has to be benched. Like people have mentioned before he is one of the worst statistical hitters in the MLB. I would not be opposed to brining up Ellsbury and seeing what he brings to the table. He is doing well at AAA right now, and there is no reason for him to be there when he would be an obvious upgrade in CF.

[CrespoBlows]

Here is a small suggestion, try flipping Manny to third and Ortiz to 4th. With Youk batting 5th. I remember when the two guys were kind of struggling Tito has done this in the past. This may do nothing but it is certainly worth a shot. For the weekend I would like to see a lineup of

 

Drew

Pedroia

Ramirez

Ortiz

Youk

Lowell

Pena

Tek

Lugo/Cora

 

I think it is beyond clear that Coco has to be benched. Like people have mentioned before he is one of the worst statistical hitters in the MLB. I would not be opposed to brining up Ellsbury and seeing what he brings to the table. He is doing well at AAA right now, and there is no reason for him to be there when he would be an obvious upgrade in CF.

 

I don't know why everyone wants Youkilis batting 5th. He should be getting on in front of Ramirez and Ortiz, not Lowell and Pena.

[riverside sluggers]

I just have to ask the question again. HOW THE HELL DID LUGO GET $8 MILLION A YEAR!

 

He got $ 9 million... Im really missing Gonzo. The Reds got him for just 3 years/$15 million

[Gom]

I think the Lugo deal is awesome.

 

Of course, I am a Yankee fan, so that should tell you something.

[EvilDonut]

I know hindsight is 20/20, and yadda yadda yadda....

 

But, i never understood Theo's obsession with Lugo at the break last year, and this offseason. Please someone remind me why Theo wanted him so badly?

[jacksonianmarch]

I know hindsight is 20/20, and yadda yadda yadda....

 

But, i never understood Theo's obsession with Lugo at the break last year, and this offseason. Please someone remind me why Theo wanted him so badly?

 

BECAUSE HE'S A CLEMENT LOVING PUSSY!!!!!

[MANNYHOF24]

I don't know why everyone wants Youkilis batting 5th. He should be getting on in front of Ramirez and Ortiz' date=' not Lowell and Pena.[/quote']

 

Good point there. So do you think Drew should go back to 5th and have Pedroia and Youk at the top as Lugo continues to suck?

[schillingouttheks]

Good point there. So do you think Drew should go back to 5th and have Pedroia and Youk at the top as Lugo continues to suck?

 

Youkilis

Pedroia

Ortiz

Ramirez

Lowell

Drew

Pena

Varitek

Lugo

[BSN07]

I wouldn't min getting Tex. The rumor floating around was Lowell to Minny and then a blockbuster for Tex. To get Tex, it's going to have to be a sweet deal. I have been a big fan of Bard after seeing him pitch in college, but with his lack of secondary pitches he might just be a RP. If we could get Texas to think he has a shot at being a SP, then send him and 2 more prospects to Texas for Tex. Bowden and Bucholz at this point in time have to be completely off limits. the only draw back about Tex is hes a FA after the 08 season, and Boras has already hinted at a 100M deal. If he came to Boston and proved he could be a big time producer, then ya maybe give him sonething around there, I guess he could replace Manny at some point in the lineup.

 

Coco+cash, Hansen, 1 prospect for Salty in ATL.

 

Lowell to Minny for I don't know what.

 

Bard + 2 more prospects to Texas for Tex.

 

Lofton,Rowand or Ellsbury to fill the CF hole.

I know these are pipe dreams but hey there ideas arent they?

[CrespoBlows]

 

Coco+cash, Hansen, 1 prospect for Salty in ATL.

 

Lowell to Minny for I don't know what.

 

Bard + 2 more prospects to Texas for Tex.

 

Lofton,Rowand or Ellsbury to fill the CF hole.

I know these are pipe dreams but hey there ideas arent they?

 

All of these trades would be rejected, very quickly.

[Mirabellifan]

I miss Gabe Kapler

[riverside sluggers]

I wouldn't min getting Tex. The rumor floating around was Lowell to Minny and then a blockbuster for Tex. To get Tex, it's going to have to be a sweet deal. I have been a big fan of Bard after seeing him pitch in college, but with his lack of secondary pitches he might just be a RP. If we could get Texas to think he has a shot at being a SP, then send him and 2 more prospects to Texas for Tex. Bowden and Bucholz at this point in time have to be completely off limits. the only draw back about Tex is hes a FA after the 08 season, and Boras has already hinted at a 100M deal. If he came to Boston and proved he could be a big time producer, then ya maybe give him sonething around there, I guess he could replace Manny at some point in the lineup.

 

Coco+cash, Hansen, 1 prospect for Salty in ATL.

 

Lowell to Minny for I don't know what.

 

Bard + 2 more prospects to Texas for Tex.

 

Lofton,Rowand or Ellsbury to fill the CF hole.

I know these are pipe dreams but hey there ideas arent they?

 

The details on this rumor are still sketchy, most likely an update will be made during the game on Fox. From what Im hearing from Ken Rosenthal (naturally more players will be a part of this)

 

Texas: Michael Bowden?

Boston: Mark Teixeira, Scott Baker

Minnesota: Mike Lowell

[CrespoBlows]

The details on this rumor are still sketchy, most likely an update will be made during the game on Fox. From what Im hearing from Ken Rosenthal (naturally more players will be a part of this)

 

Texas: Michael Bowden?

Boston: Mark Teixeira, Scott Baker

Minnesota: Mike Lowell

 

Texas gets screwed royally.

[jacksonianmarch]

Texas gets screwed royally.

 

Try Bowden and Baker to Texas. That would make the most sense. Texas got a fair amount of pitching in the draft this yr. Add to that the prospects of Bowden and Baker and they could make a run at it in about 2-3 yrs.