Wily Mo Pena

[castigs850]

 

Jake Peavy?

Johan Santana?

Jason Bay?

Miguel Cabrera?

Matt Holliday?

 

i doubt more than two of those (if that) actually hit FA waters.

 

seeing as JD is slumping and WMP sucks in RF, you think there is any chance of an OF looking like this on day Drew gets of

 

Manny LF

WMP CF

and Coco RF?

 

with a spacious RF coco could be valuable with his glove even with his s***** arm. Plus everyone knows pena cant seem to catch a ball when he is playing in right.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

Towers would trade for a bat, Tom Krasovic writes, but the question is: Where do you get one?

 

A suggestion: Wily Mo Pena, of the Red Sox. Boston could use some pitching depth, which the Padres possess, and Pena is so strong that Petco Park would have little impact on his power. Plus, the right-handed hitting Pena would balance a lineup that has a whole lot of left-handed hitters. Pena is just rotting on the Boston bench, so far; he needs to play to have a chance to be effective, and going into Wednesday night's game, he had 20 strikeouts in 48 at-bats.

 

Buster Olney's blog from Thursday

 

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster

[BSN07]

Id take Linebrink for him, maybe a low level prospect as well. The Sox can use Cerrano's potential/age/price as leverage...

[CrespoBlows]

Jake Peavy?

Johan Santana?

Jason Bay?

Miguel Cabrera?

Matt Holliday?

 

i doubt more than two of those (if that) actually hit FA waters.

 

You got to be kidding me.

 

You actually believe all of those players will stay with their clubs? You think the Twins are going to offer Santana $20 million annually? You think the Marlins are going to offer Cabrera the A-Rod like contract he's going to get? The Pirates, Bay?

 

All of these players are going to test the free agent market. Even if they go back to their respective ball club, their price tags will go through the roof if they are courted by other teams.

 

seeing as JD is slumping and WMP sucks in RF, you think there is any chance of an OF looking like this on day Drew gets of

 

Manny LF

WMP CF

and Coco RF?

 

 

No.

[castigs850]

i honestly believe that the two with the best chance of leaving their clubs is cabrera and santana. those are the two i wouldnt be surprised to see leave, cabrera far moreso than santana. the other three i believe will stay put.

[Mr Crunchy]

is it me or did cabrerra gain some weight this winter??

i saw him get doubled up this week and he wasnt close to beating it out

maybe its my imagination

pohlad in minny has real money,a sick bankroll and he could pay anyone and everyone if he wanted to

the bottom line in minny is lack of tv revenue and an owner who has fish hooks in his deep pockets,its a sin too as minny puts 45-50k?? in the dome when they win and their home record in the post season was fabulous.

we have a similar guy in the garden who owns the bruins

he would have them psuedo competetive year in and out but would never blow the doors off any hi profile gunner and would dump any studs who would command big bucks.

the people continue to show up and they would make money but the fans for the most part knew they had little chance to go all the way which sucks.

that is changing slowly but surely but it took 25-30 years of cheese dick leadership for the masses to finally revolt.

[adam123]

oston Red Sox Updated:05/21/2007

The Newark Star-Ledger reports the Red Sox have been shopping outfielder Wily Mo Pena because they believe he hurts them too much defensively when they use him in center field.

 

this is according to sportsline .com. this is best news today

[Cocos Disciples]

The best news today is most definitely that the Red Sox are the best team in baseball. Not a rumor that WMP might be traded. Get your priorities right adam. What happened to if it ain't broke, don't fix it?

[adam123]

The best news today is most definitely that the Red Sox are the best team in baseball. Not a rumor that WMP might be traded. Get your priorities right adam. What happened to if it ain't broke' date=' don't fix it?[/quote']

 

Right I hear ya . But if we could get some more bullpen help I might just do it .

[Mr Crunchy]

i dont see anything wrong with our bullpen and i am a f***ing pessimist by definition

no shame in taking 2-3 from the 2nd best team in baseball is there??

 

no need to change the batting order or burn japanese flags or beat the s*** out of don orsillo or track down franconas home phone # or fedex 10000 scorpions to theo yet is there??

 

pena is movable,more so than any other member of the 25 man unit

he will not improve with 2-300 abs a year

he needs 600abs a patient hitting coach and fans who are used to watching losing teams

 

time for my 3 minute commute

[seabeachfred]

Crunch, I hope you're feeling that chipper after this weekend's series with the Yankees. They have their three best pitchers going and we have our four and five starters toiling the first two games, and their best facing Curt on Sunday. What I don't want to see is a Yankee sweep in our house. Somehow we have to gut it out and take two of three and stop any momentum the Yankees might have gotten from last night's win. My worry is that the Yankees hammered Tim Wakefield last time out and seem to now have his number, plus the fact we don't score all that much when he pitches. Knowing a pathetic Mirabelli will be in our lineup along with a slumping Crisp and Drew and Lugo we need the whole team reved up for this seriesl We cannot afford to let the Yankees back in this race.

 

As for Pena, if he is movable, then move him. He is a disaster waiting to happen every time he takes his glove on the field, and, as you said, he needs 600abs, a patient hitting coach and fans used to watching losing teams. He does not belong with the Red Sox.

[TheKilo]

Crunch' date=' I hope you're feeling that chipper after this weekend's series with the Yankees. They have their three best pitchers going and we have our four and five starters toiling the first two games, and their best facing Curt on Sunday. What I don't want to see is a Yankee sweep in our house. Somehow we have to gut it out and take two of three and stop any momentum the Yankees might have gotten from last night's win. My worry is that the Yankees hammered Tim Wakefield last time out and seem to now have his number, plus the fact we don't score all that much when he pitches. Knowing a pathetic Mirabelli will be in our lineup along with a slumping Crisp and Drew and Lugo we need the whole team reved up for this seriesl We cannot afford to let the Yankees back in this race.[/quote']

 

That's not the rotation.

[seabeachfred]

That's not the rotation.

 

You know something I don't Kilo, please inform me. We are throwing Wakefield, Taverez and Schilling against Wang, Mussina, and Pettitte, aren't we????

[TheKilo]

You know something I don't Kilo' date=' please inform me. We are throwing Wakefield, Taverez and Schilling against Wang, Mussina, and Pettitte, aren't we????[/quote']

 

No. Read the thread about the rotation

 

Wake/Wang

Schill/Moose

Becks/Horse Face

[redsoxrules]

so wheres everyone now that was bitching that we let go arroyo for pena and that we got screwed big time on the trade?????

 

arroyo f***ing sucks , the only reason he did ok last year was because he switch league and nobody was used to him . look at his performance now , 2-7 5.01 ERA and thats in a crappy division . that ERA in the AL east would be over 6

[SCM33]

so wheres everyone now that was bitching that we let go arroyo for pena and that we got screwed big time on the trade?????

 

arroyo f***ing sucks , the only reason he did ok last year was because he switch league and nobody was used to him . look at his performance now , 2-7 5.01 ERA and thats in a crappy division . that ERA in the AL east would be over 6

 

As much as Ive supported WMP in the past, I think you are wrong. In terms of value, Cincinnati really has gotten the better of the deal. We have no use for WMP and as much as I LOVED the fact we had a big bat coming off the bench, he simply doesnt make enough contact to be a real threat.

 

Gabe Kapler is missed I think. He did things for this team that we all took for granted. Granted he was the most jacked guy in baseball who couldnt hit a flyball outta the infield but he did many things WMP cant do. He played good defense in all 3 OF positions, he had pretty good speed (even though it looked like he was scampering to take a s*** with his upright running style), he didnt swing at awful pitches and get himself out and he made pretty good contact.

 

I suspect at some point they will go after a real utility OF, bc I dont feel good about Hinske or WMP out in the OF.

 

Is backup OF a huge priority at this point? no....but it does need to be adressed.....WMP on this team would look nicer as a 5th OF/DH rather than our everyday backup guy....and when you start talking about a 5th OF/DH type of guy compared to arroyo......id rather have arroyo, espeiclaly considering the money hes making.

[jacksonianmarch]

It is june, right? A pitcher having a bad first half does nothing for what his career will hold. Hell, those were similar to the #s Pettitte put forth in the first half last yr too.

[seabeachfred]

As much as Ive supported WMP in the past, I think you are wrong. In terms of value, Cincinnati really has gotten the better of the deal. We have no use for WMP and as much as I LOVED the fact we had a big bat coming off the bench, he simply doesnt make enough contact to be a real threat.

 

Gabe Kapler is missed I think. He did things for this team that we all took for granted. Granted he was the most jacked guy in baseball who couldnt hit a flyball outta the infield but he did many things WMP cant do. He played good defense in all 3 OF positions, he had pretty good speed (even though it looked like he was scampering to take a s*** with his upright running style), he didnt swing at awful pitches and get himself out and he made pretty good contact.

 

I suspect at some point they will go after a real utility OF, bc I dont feel good about Hinske or WMP out in the OF.

 

Is backup OF a huge priority at this point? no....but it does need to be adressed.....WMP on this team would look nicer as a 5th OF/DH rather than our everyday backup guy....and when you start talking about a 5th OF/DH type of guy compared to arroyo......id rather have arroyo, espeiclaly considering the money hes making.

 

Chin Man, supposedly the Newark Star Ledger had a story where the Red Sox were reportedly shopping Wily Mo Pena about two weeks ago and that tells me two things if the story was true. One, our GM isn't trying too hard to trade the guy or, two, he isn't getting anything worth what he might want for him. As to the first, we all know Theo loves his young man-child and is loath to admit that getting him from the Reds last year instead of the more accomplished Austin Kearns was a rotten mistake and wants to justify that trade to tell everyone he told us so. As for the second, I could have told him that Pena wouldn't bring much back unless another player or two was included in a bigger deal for whatever the Red Sox were looking for. When you strike out about 40% of the time and can't field worth s*** you're not going to be on any team's wanted poster. The Padres might be able to take a flier on him because they are too lefthanded and lack power to the max but it would take a bigger deal for them to take Pena. I would be willing to bet dollars to donuts that the big white elephant is with us the rest of the year, and hope to Heaven that he isn't next year. As for Crisp, forget it.

[Mr Crunchy]

so wheres everyone now that was bitching that we let go arroyo for pena and that we got screwed big time on the trade?????

 

arroyo f***ing sucks , the only reason he did ok last year was because he switch league and nobody was used to him . look at his performance now , 2-7 5.01 ERA and thats in a crappy division . that ERA in the AL east would be over 6

2-7 5 era??

about what matsusaka wouldve had for the reds this year.

 

it took you 15 months to find a reason to like this trade so i suspect youve been holding this in for a long time.

however

arroyo will pitch more innings than pena will play for a reason

sure

hes had a couple bad starts this year on the worst team in the nl central but what exactly does pena bring to the table where you justify trading a guy who pitched 230innings with a 3.5 era last year??

 

we gave up a 200ip with a 4.5 era who took the home discount to pitch here

we gave him up for a pile of s*** we cant move anywhere,nobody wants him

 

he had his shot last year to make his bones

he failed

he has had plenty of playing time this year and hasnt produced.....again

 

every now and then the people on board who are easily distracted by shiny objects see him hit a ball 450 feet and they think they have the savior on the bench and that he needs the appropriate playing time to blossom....

you guys should be royals fans if you want to see tremendous prospects who have failed in their careers nite in and out...

they forget that he K's every 2.67abs

they forget he cant hit a breaking ball

they close their eyes and pray

""I THINK HE CAN I THINK HE CAN"" on routine fly balls hit his way

 

arroyo is having a bad year,no doubt

but dont blow yourself over wmp and his miserable production because nobody wants this guy and that includes theo epstein and tito francona

had they hope for this guy jd drew would be in the national league where he belongs and pena wouldve gotten the gig here full time

[seabeachfred]

Right Crunch; right on the mark. It astounds me how people keep harping on the fact that Pena only needs 500 AB's and he will become a power hitting machine. ********!!!!! He had those opportunities in Cincy and he always had to be either sent back down to the minors or benched because his strikeouts, runners left on base and his antics in the outfield made even the Reds realize that his assets don't even come close to his debits. You're probably right; Theo couldn't trade him if he wanted. This saga with him is going to end up in a tragedy unless we get rid of this guy. Somewhere down the line he is going to cost us a crucial game unless he is wired to the bench. If we cannot trade this guy this season he must be released at the end of the year. This Theo experiment has to be labeled the colossal failure that it is.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Right Crunch; right on the mark. It astounds me how people keep harping on the fact that Pena only needs 500 AB's and he will become a power hitting machine. ********!!!!! He had those opportunities in Cincy and he always had to be either sent back down to the minors or benched because his strikeouts' date=' runners left on base and his antics in the outfield made even the Reds realize that his assets don't even come close to his debits. You're probably right; Theo couldn't trade him if he wanted. This saga with him is going to end up in a tragedy unless we get rid of this guy. Somewhere down the line he is going to cost us a crucial game unless he is wired to the bench. If we cannot trade this guy this season he must be released at the end of the year. This Theo experiment has to be labeled the colossal failure that it is.[/quote']

 

Like he cost us the game in Baltimore earlier this year?

[schillingouttheks]

He didn't get a chance to prove himself in Cinci either....he had Ken Griffey Jr. playing in front of him.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

He didn't get a chance to prove himself in Cinci either....he had Ken Griffey Jr. playing in front of him.

 

Seriously...the whole reason Theo had interest in the first place is because anytime the porcelin Griffey went on the DL, Pena would come up and MASH.

[seabeachfred]

Like he cost us the game in Baltimore earlier this year?

 

Your retort to me is exactly what I mean about many Red Sox fans who get intrigued when Pena goes deep and helps win a game. The reasoning is that it is just a matter of time before Wily Mo starts doing that on a regular basis. Sorry, it doesn't work that way, hasn't worked for him, and won't work that way for us. His power is a tease that will eventually be seen for what it is-----promise unfulfilled.

[CrespoBlows]

2-7 5 era??

about what matsusaka wouldve had for the reds this year.

 

 

Another swing and miss, by Mr. Crunchy.

[CrespoBlows]

Your retort to me is exactly what I mean about many Red Sox fans who get intrigued when Pena goes deep and helps win a game. The reasoning is that it is just a matter of time before Wily Mo starts doing that on a regular basis. Sorry' date=' it doesn't work that way, hasn't worked for him, and won't work that way for us. His power is a tease that will eventually be seen for what it is-----promise unfulfilled.[/quote']

 

Name me a time, in which Wily Mo Pena was given regular starting status.

[seabeachfred]

Name me a time' date=' in which Wily Mo Pena was given regular starting status.[/quote']

 

Glad you asked that Crespo FU Blows. Good question. I have a couple of acquaintances who are Reds fans and both have said that Pena had been given a regular job both in 2004 and 2005, showed some promise, then had to be taken out of the lineup because of his continuous shoddy fielding and enormous strikeout totals. Remember he hit 26 homers in '04 but showed no talent in the field at all but was projected to hit 35 homers the next year which could cover for his non-existent fielding. He regressed and his fielding got worse if you can believe that. That says all we need to know.

[TheKilo]

Glad you asked that Crespo FU Blows. Good question. I have a couple of acquaintances who are Reds fans and both have said that Pena had been given a regular job both in 2004 and 2005' date=' showed some promise, then had to be taken out of the lineup because of his continuous shoddy fielding and enormous strikeout totals. Remember he hit 26 homers in '04 but showed no talent in the field at all but was projected to hit 35 homers the next year which could cover for his non-existent fielding. He regressed and his fielding got worse if you can believe that. That says all we need to know.[/quote']

 

Keep beating the dead horse.

 

Oh BTW.

 

Over and over again it has been shown he's a league average defensive CF. Or, at least he was when he played there last year. You know, consistent playing time and the like?

 

An .800 OPS out of a CF is a huge advantage for any team. But, we want to keep trotting out Coco the suckbag because he's fast? Give me a f***ing break.

 

Also, I love it when you cite "acquaintances" as sources.

[CrespoBlows]

Glad you asked that Crespo FU Blows. Good question. I have a couple of acquaintances who are Reds fans and both have said that Pena had been given a regular job both in 2004 and 2005' date=' showed some promise, then had to be taken out of the lineup because of his continuous shoddy fielding and enormous strikeout totals. Remember he hit 26 homers in '04 but showed no talent in the field at all but was projected to hit 35 homers the next year which could cover for his non-existent fielding. He regressed and his fielding got worse if you can believe that. That says all we need to know.[/quote']

 

2004 - 110 games, 336 AB's

 

April - 14 games, 6 starts

May - 12 games, 6 starts

 

Fanned 50% of the time.

 

June, July, August, September regular playing time:

 

.261/.316/.530/.846

 

22 HR's fanned 28% of the time.

 

He was also a 22 year old, who had been rushed.

 

In 2005, this guy was dicked around with. Started out with a 1.184 OPS in April, and then suffered an injury. When he got back, he'd have an 0-4 day, then was promptly benched for three days.

 

As for his bad defense.

 

Wily Mo Pena CF - +10 FRAA.

[jacksonianmarch]

actually, WMP had to be removed from the lineup because he couldnt stay healthy. Both seasons where he showed promise in Cincy ended with hamstring issues.