Which player will be the first one that Sox fans regret signing?

[Linda]

As a Dodger fan, I have seen both of these players suck ass on the baseball field and piss off all Dodger fans.

 

I realize it is only a matter of time before you all see the light (or the darkness for that matter).

[jacksonianmarch]

JD didnt necessarily suck. He just couldnt find the field and got ARod-itis in the clutch. But he will be the guy the sox regret signing. His throwing shoulder fails a physical. He hardly stays on the field. He'll be going to a less than friendly LH hitter park. I dont think he is going to fail, I just see him spending tons of time on the DL and being drained of his power. He'll get on base no doubt, but at 14 mil a season for a guy who is 31/32, an injury waiting to happen and over 5 yrs, you are begging for an injury. He will be the guy they regret mostly because of his health.

 

Lugo wont be disappointing. He'll be a bad D SS. He'll run a bit. He'll hit .280 and be a pest on the basepaths. You cannot make judgements when you take a starter and bench him on the left coast.

[redsoxrules]

As a Dodger fan, I have seen both of these players suck ass on the baseball field and piss off all Dodger fans.

 

I realize it is only a matter of time before you all see the light (or the darkness for that matter).

 

you forgot and option for neither one

[Soxfan1]

Drew.

[riverside sluggers]

Lugo wont be disappointing. He'll be a bad D SS. He'll run a bit. He'll hit .280 and be a pest on the basepaths. You cannot make judgements when you take a starter and bench him on the left coast.

 

Bingo, I also like his career .330 batting avg at Fenway Park. He should have a stat line like .280, 7 HRs, 65 RBIs, 110 Runs, 20-25 SBs

[Linda]

Lugo wont be disappointing. He'll be a bad D SS. He'll run a bit. He'll hit .280 and be a pest on the basepaths. You cannot make judgements when you take a starter and bench him on the left coast.

 

I agree with what you said about Drew, but not Lugo.

 

The guy supposedly had some power, but he's skinny as hell. Probably weighs less than 100 lbs. Manny could use him as a bat. I don't see how he can hit the ball out of the infield... come to think of it, I never saw him hit more than a "lil' nubber" (Thanks Vin Scully) as a Dodger. It's gonna take a hell of a lot of luck (and some steroids, most likely) for him to get stats remotely close to what he had in TB.

 

39 total bases in 164 plate appearances as a Dodger. Holy crap. And you guys bash the Pierre signing.

[riverside sluggers]

You are a total loss

 

--He went mid season from being an everyday starter to a backup playing different positions

--He switched leagues mid season

--He switched coasts mid-season

 

I just keep laughing at your analysis that Julio Lugo is the same player he was for 164 ABs (a whole career for most players). But no not at all can he rebound to be the same player he has been his whole f***ing career

[example1]

As a Dodger fan, I have seen both of these players suck ass on the baseball field and piss off all Dodger fans.

 

I realize it is only a matter of time before you all see the light (or the darkness for that matter).

 

It doesn't help when both are supposed to be two of the best hitters on the team. Surrounded by vets like Varitek, Lowell, Papi, Manny, and solid guys like coco, and youkilis you're talking about a slightly better lineup. I think both are going to be fine.

[Linda]

It doesn't help when both are supposed to be two of the best hitters on the team. Surrounded by vets like Varitek' date=' Lowell, Papi, Manny, and solid guys like coco, and youkilis you're talking about a slightly better lineup. I think both are going to be fine.[/quote']

 

You're full of s***.

 

Furcal, Nomar, and Kent led that team last year.

 

NO DODGER FAN looked to Lugo to lead anything.

 

f***ing homer -- Coco and Youkilis are as solid as my s*** after eating bran muffins.

[Linda]

You are a total loss

 

--He went mid season from being an everyday starter to a backup playing different positions

--He switched leagues mid season

--He switched coasts mid-season

 

I just keep laughing at your analysis that Julio Lugo is the same player he was for 164 ABs (a whole career for most players). But no not at all can he rebound to be the same player he has been his whole f***ing career

 

Switching coasts? How the hell does that make a player forget how to hit the ball? Switching coasts! Now I've heard every excuse in the books.

 

Most players do well when they switch leagues until the pitchers figure them out.

 

And please explain how switching positions makes someone forget how to hit. I know when I played, I was in a zone when I stepped to the plate. I don't get up there and start thinking about my footwork at the hot corner.

[riverside sluggers]

Hah wow no better than the Dodger fans who were rightfully banned before you

[schillingouttheks]

Most players do well when they switch leagues until the pitchers figure them out.

 

No. It's the other way around. Most pitchers do well when they switch leagues until the batters figure them out. Case in point? Bronson Arroyo.

[Linda]

Hah wow no better than the Dodger fans who were rightfully banned before you

 

Explain what I did that you consider a bannable offense? Was it.. uh... pointing out that the Red Sox made a bad decision? No it couldnt be that. These are the perfect Red sox we're talking about. Seriously, someone hurts your feelings with the truth and suddenly everyone gets ban-happy.

[Linda]

No. It's the other way around. Most pitchers do well when they switch leagues until the batters figure them out. Case in point? Bronson Arroyo.

 

It works for pitchers AND batters. When they are new to a league, they both usually do well for a stretch.

[RedSoxRooter]

I actually think Drew will put up surprising numbers this year and maybe for a couple or three. I like the fact the Sox can void the deal after that if they "find" something wrong with him. So I figure Lugo will be the first to fall out of favor only because of who he's replacing at that position (going all the way back to Nomar).

 

But I do believe he'll have his supporters. If he's anything like Cabrera (and he could be) then he'll be fine too.

 

Drew will also have a lot to live up to replacing Trotsky, but I think his power numbers will make us all forget about Trot if he stays healthy.

 

If he stays healthy.

If he stays healthy.

If he stays healthy.

 

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[jacksonianmarch]

Linda, you cockloving manwhore, you cannot take a guy from being a starter, demote him to playing twice a week and make serious judgements about his future. I'm all for putting down the sox, but I am also a baseball fan, and I consider myself a knowledgeable one. You, on the other hand, seem to have no idea about baseball.

[jacksonianmarch]

I actually think Drew will put up surprising numbers this year and maybe for a couple or three. I like the fact the Sox can void the deal after that if they "find" something wrong with him. So I figure Lugo will be the first to fall out of favor only because of who he's replacing at that position (going all the way back to Nomar).

 

But I do believe he'll have his supporters. If he's anything like Cabrera (and he could be) then he'll be fine too.

 

Drew will also have a lot to live up to replacing Trotsky, but I think his power numbers will make us all forget about Trot if he stays healthy.

 

If he stays healthy.

If he stays healthy.

If he stays healthy.

 

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they will not be able to opt out unless a VERY specific problem comes about.

[hoke3182]

You're full of s***.

 

Furcal, Nomar, and Kent led that team last year.

 

NO DODGER FAN looked to Lugo to lead anything.

 

f***ing homer -- Coco and Youkilis are as solid as my s*** after eating bran muffins.

Could it be that your so pissed off that two dodgers left your shithole of a baseball team to join what we call a Major League team. Every post I've ever read by you has no baseball meaning, all you ever bring up is ********. Please just shut your f***ing mouth unless you have something to debate, bring some theory to your ********.

I love this site but I don't need to deal with idiots like this.

[RedSoxRooter]

they will not be able to opt out unless a VERY specific problem comes about.

 

Well, from what I've read it's "anything related to" the previous injury. Relations are not that specific.

[RedSoxRooter]

Linda' date=' you cockloving manwhore.[/quote']

 

 

 

I can't believe I didn't like you at first.

 

 

 

 

 

Could it be that your so pissed off that two dodgers left your shithole of a baseball team to join what we call a Major League team. Every post I've ever read by you has no baseball meaning, all you ever bring up is ********. Please just shut your f***ing mouth unless you have something to debate, bring some theory to your ********.

 

I love this site but I don't need to deal with idiots like this.

 

 

 

I don't think I've actually read any of your 83 other posts because I don't remember your username. But nice. Welcome to the site.

[jacksonianmarch]

If I were a dodger fan, I wouldnt be happy or upset. Drew was a walking wounded and Lugo was useless to LA.

 

If I were a sox fan, I'd be cautiously optimistic. Lugo is a nice signing, but his biggest asset is his speed and the sox dont run. Drew is the kind of guy the sox want because he has great OBP skills. But as a 5 hitter, they'll expect power and clutch, and his power is suspect and he has Arod disease. Plus he is always injured. If these guys pan out the sox lineup still has some weaknesses and if they bomb they still have Papi and Manny. They'll help, but they arent saviours.

[riverside sluggers]

Explain what I did that you consider a bannable offense? Was it.. uh... pointing out that the Red Sox made a bad decision? No it couldnt be that. These are the perfect Red sox we're talking about. Seriously' date=' someone hurts your feelings with the truth and suddenly everyone gets ban-happy.[/quote']

 

How about also ruining the ending of a shocker of a 24 episode? But eh its ok because you know someone from the show. And its not truth, its just an opinion

[RedSoxRooter]

They'll help' date=' but they arent saviours.[/quote']

 

And that's the thing. Neither is expected to be saviors - even at the money.

 

Trot was so injured and lacking in power I just see Drew as being an upgrade. He can't possibly be a downgrade unless his legs get ripped off on a foul ball midway through April.

 

Gonzo was lopsided as a player. If Lugo can be ok defensively and ok offensively, he'll be fine too. I see him as Cabrera part two. High energy, fun to watch, makes mistakes but likable.

 

As far as saviors go, Matsuzaka and Papelbon in the rotation are considered saviors to me. If they fail, then the Sox are sunk.

[jacksonianmarch]

As far as saviors go, Matsuzaka and Papelbon in the rotation are considered saviors to me. If they fail, then the Sox are sunk.

 

this is where I disagree with you. Both will have growing pains and considering them as saviours in their first yrs in the majors after being a closeror a japanese player is big expectations. I think Beckett and Schilling are your saviours. If Beckett blows like last yr and if Schilling continues his downward decline then the sox are sunk. Matsu and Paps are going to live up to expectations eventually. Dont expect them both to right away.

[shortstop]

I live in Florida and I've watched Lugo play for the Rays for a few years. The guy's a scrapper. His fielding is no where near as good as Gonzo's and I'm hoping his offense makes up for it. He hit pretty good at Fenway. It will be nice to have some speed on the bases. I'm really looking forward to seeing him do well in Fenway.

[BSN07]

Someone please take this womens key board away. And I thought Jackson was always writing loaded posts!

 

My apologys to you Jackson, your nowhere near as bad as this Suckubus.

 

I don't really even want to merit her thread with a reply but my answer is neither. There both upgrades to the prior player at there respective positions. Agon was better D but Lugo's bat is far and away better the AGON's, and his glove will be enough to get the job done. Drew if healthy, is a better hitter then Trot in every category that comes to mind, and his D should be as good or better.

[rician blast]

As a Dodger fan, I have seen both of these players suck ass on the baseball field and piss off all Dodger fans.

 

I realize it is only a matter of time before you all see the light (or the darkness for that matter).

 

 

Piss? Suck ass?

 

I've got a good mind to give you a spank bottom and I don't care who knows about it...potty mouth.

[shortstop]

Grady Little commented on the Lugo signing and said that his potential was never realized in LA because he went from playing everyday in TB to a part-time player. The Lugo that played for the Dodgers was far from the same player that played for the Rays.

[elsrbueno]

Grady Little commented on the Lugo signing and said that his potential was never realized in LA because he went from playing everyday in TB to a part-time player. The Lugo that played for the Dodgers was far from the same player that played for the Rays.

 

Even still it's retarded to base ANYONE's future on 164 ABs. It's such a small sample size in the grand scheme of things that it's not even worth discussing. By sheer luck the dude could have hit .400 or .100 in that many ABs (people do it all the time) and it doesn't mean he's a .400 or .100 hitter.

 

Lugo's a career .277 hitter with an OBP of .340 and SLG of .402. These are the numbers I'd expect him to return to if not better because he's hitting in a better lineup with better protection, and in a pretty good hitters park especially for righties. He should get some cheap doubles off the wall and even some cheap homers that'd be flyouts in Tampa.

 

Based on Red Sox' fans expectations of Drew (They seem to be low from what I've seen/heard), I don't see either as a dissapointment. However, if I had to choose one of these guys, it'd be Drew. I think Lugo is going to be just fine.

[shortstop]

I don't know a whole lot about Drew so I can't comment on him.

But I think there are more positives than negatives about Lugo. His speed will help him get on base if he bunts or hits an infield grounder. He can disrupt the pitcher's rhythm because he's a threat to steal. And his speed will help him get to the ball quicker and maybe make some outs that would have been hits with Gonzalez at short. Time will tell.