RJ back to the Diamondbacks??

[jacksonianmarch]

Would you be okay if they moved Humberto Sanchez for Conor Jackson in this deal? I know Sanchez hasn't been brought up' date=' but Jackson is a solid player so I imagine the prospect the Yanks will throw in will be a top 10 spec. Just a guess. :dunno: :dunno:[/quote']

 

Depends on what else comes over. I want to add to the pitching depth rather than subtract from it. While Jackson would be a fantastic piece to add and would make mientkiewicz, phillips, and phelps useless, he is not a pitcher and is not a kill or be killed need for this team. Hence, I would actually rather them include Melky with RJ and send back Owings and Jackson. I REALLY like Owings. A LOT. He is the most polished of the three being talked about. What I didnt know about the other guy, Ohlinger (sp?) is that he dropped his FB speed about 10mph, and we already have 2 location/slow crafty types in the minors, we dont need more. So Owings is a must in this deal.

 

For me though, if we dont add in any more of our pitching and we get young pitching in return, then I am happy. Anything else is gravy. Then again, nabbing both Jackson and Owings would be like a wet dream. Take their best pitcher and a 24 yr old power hitting 1b who just happens to be right handed. Crazy s*** this RJ is worth. And the best of all, is that he may not even take the mound pain free until 2008.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://nyynews.com/

 

This site is reporting the deal has been agreed to. Take it for what it is worth, but other yankee sites say it is an okay site, not always right but not full of BS.

 

To the DBacks

Randy Johnson

$2-4 million

 

To the Yankees

Dustin Nippert

Micah Owings

Luis Vizcaino

 

STEAL. Overall

 

Randy Johnson

Gary Sheffield

Jaret Wright

6-8 mil

 

for

 

Humberto Sanchez

Anthony Claggett

Kevin Whelan

Chris Britton

Dustin Nippert

Micah Owings

Luis Vizcaino

 

(in bold are top 10 prosptect, in italics are MLB players).

 

Steals, all of them, and they clear 30 mil off the books too. WOWZAH.

[Cocos Disciples]

Gotta agree.

[jacksonianmarch]

Gotta agree.

 

Man, I will sleep well tonight. I find it interesting that people on this site are saying that dealing RJ is sacrificing the now. RJ is coming off back surgery as a 43 yr old 6'11" pitcher. He isnt expected to pick up a baseball again until mid spring training at least and may not take a mound in a game until May (possibly at the earliest). He wont be pitching without pain for a long time. Also, consider that he was pushed down to the #4 position and all we got out of him was 205IP and a 5ERA and he was far from irreplaceable. Igawa is 27, a lefty, and has the durability track record to make it a much easier transition. As a 4, Igawa should easily replace 200IP and a 5ERA at the very least. This then opens up the 5 hole to be Pavano's if he stays healthy, then an audition for the last spot if he is not.

 

On another note, this gives the yankees 5 top 10 pitching prospects in AAA. Rasner and Karstens, who pitched better than RJ (much better btw) down the stretch will be in the mix as well. Then consider the leaps and bounds Chamberlain made down the stretch (in hawaii, 46K 3BB in 40IP) and the fact that the yankees 2nd best pitching prospect is gonna be in single A next yr in Betances and you have grounds to make a deal. Now, one thing I saw today was the twins realization that resigning Santana is out of the question. With Liriano on the shelf for all of 07 and Radke in the rocking chair, the twins may fall out of the race fast, and if they do, look for them to take offers on Johan. This may be a pre-eptive move to pull him out of Minnesota. Or at the very least, to pull Zambrano out of that Chicago cesspool. Arms is where it is at these days. Restock your rotation with them or package them for some pitching now. I like our direction.

 

Then consider what we gave away. Wright was griping in 05 about not having a spot when he tore his vag against the rangers. Then he comes out and never makes it past the 6th last season, throwing 137IP in 30 starts. Sheffield was a constant headache and was injured for almost all of last yr. RJ was a bust in NY, is injured, and wants to go home. SHAZAM!! Cashman turns those 3 into 30 mil of cap space and 4 top 10 prospects, one long range pitcher, and 2 power armed relievers. Cashman is showing his mettle. Imagine what he could bilk out of another team if he dangled A-Choke.

[a700hitter]

David Ortiz is glad that he won't have to face him.

[Gom]

David Ortiz is glad that he won't have to face him.

 

Pretty much everyone else on the Sox is pissed he's leaving, lol.

 

I don't know how reliable these sources are though. Anyone have a more solid confirmation?

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/484517p-407919c.html

 

As expected, the cash is being the holdup for right now. The NYDaily is taking it a bit too far. We all knew that once it got down to the money, it would take awhile, and RJ is vacationing in Hawaii so nothing can really be finished right now anyway. Rumor has it, they had agreed to a deal, but RJ will need to agree to an extension, and while he has 40mil already owed in deferred payments, the DBacks were hoping they would include that into his 2008 salary. This will take awhile to conclude, but the whole money issue may play wonders for NY. The Yankees apparently have settled for a package of Vizcaino/Medder, Owings, and Nippert/Ohlendorf. If the DBacks want more $$$, then the yankees will ask for Enrique Gonzalez and other pitchers who may be in the DBack rotation for 07.

 

We have them over a barrel. They need him to generate some revenue. They are willing to throw top talent at us without us eating his whole salary. We can really rape that farm if they want more cash. Kudos Cashman.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/12312006/sports/yankees/yanks_seek_an_upgrade_over_unit_yankees_andrew_marchand.htm

 

RJ's agent is now refusing to declining comment over whether he is negotiating an extension with the DBacks. A few days ago he had said nobody has contacted him.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=eXJpcnk3ZjczN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXkxMTMmZmdiZWw3Zjd2cWVlRUV5eTcwNDkzODUmeXJpcnk3ZjcxN2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2

 

Yankees, Unit parting ways is the title.

[a700hitter]

I don't think this will happen too fast. Once they decide on a package, they'll need ample time to go over the Unit's medical records and negotiate an extension.

[jacksonianmarch]

I agree. I figure the package can be agreed upon, but the financials will hold this thing back for 2-3 days at least as more than a mil will be changing hands and Johnson will need a contract extension.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cheapseats/gambo/0110rant.html

 

Cashman is about to fleece the s*** out of the DBacks should be the title of this article. The DBacks want cash relief. They want Randy to defer some of his 2007 money into his 2008 extension, then speed up some of the deferred payments already owed and essentially make RJ play in 2008 for money he would earn anyway. I dont see him buying that one. SOOOOOOOOOOOO. In come the yankees. They have asked for Medders, and 2 of 3 of their pitching prospects Nippert, Ohlendorf and Owings assuming they eat 2-4 mil. That was reported ad nauseum by all reports. But now the AZ central is reporting that the yankees want a young infield prospect thrown into the mix as well. One can only assume the yankees are willing to throw more cash into the pot. Cashman has em over a barrel and he will use his deep pockets to essentially buy more DBack minor league talent. He is really showing us that he is a great GM.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.lohud.com/blogs/2007/01/status-of-johnson-trade.html

 

the diamondbacks have officially requested a 72 hour negotiating window with Randy. This means that the yankees and dbacks have successfully agreed to a deal and now it is up to the DBacks to make a deal.

 

The likely scenario is that the yankees and dbacks agreed to conditional deals, potentially more than one based on the amount of money the dbacks will ask for. For example, if the yankees pay 2-4 mil they will get 2 prospects and a reliever. If they are asked to kick in 5-6 mil they get more. 10 mil a lot more, etc. This is pure speculation, but I would assume this is the case as the dbacks really have no idea how much Randy will want for an extension, so a lot will come down to the amount the yankees are willing to pay.

[jacksonianmarch]

a new rumor has arisen. I dont have a link for this one, but it seems to be all over yankee boards. The new rumor is that the Yankees and DBacks have agreed to a deal involving reliever Brandon Medders, Micah Owings, and first baseman Chris Carter. Carter just turned 24. He is a 6 foot 225lb first baseman who hit

 

.301 19HR 97RBI 10SB in AAA in 2006.

 

In 351 minor league games, he has

 

1331AB 409H .307AVG 78doubles 67HR 282RBI with a .396OBP .526SLG and a .922OPS.

 

This kid can MASH. No idea how he is defensively. He is left handed which is good in yankee stadium but bad in our lineup. But this deal would net us a rookie 1b with lots of pop, a potential middle of the order starter with lots of polish and a young power reliever with 1.5 seasons of semi-success in the majors. Not bad haul if this works. GO CASHMAN!!

[ORS]

Here Jacko, these ought to make things a little easier....

 

http://www.avca.org/camp/kneepads.jpg

[BSN07]

AZ FO must be a bunch of rejects if they send that much to NY for a feeble RJ.

 

Jacko, if this deal does go threw it doesn't mean cashman is a great GM, it means AZ GM is a retard and cashman knows how to take advantage of retards. Anyone that would send all that for RJ has to be considered mentally incapable and someone should step in and keep cashman from taking advantage of the poor bastards in AZ!LOL

[BSN07]

Here Jacko, these ought to make things a little easier....

 

http://www.avca.org/camp/kneepads.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :thumbsup:

[jacksonianmarch]

AZ FO must be a bunch of rejects if they send that much to NY for a feeble RJ.

 

Jacko, if this deal does go threw it doesn't mean cashman is a great GM, it means AZ GM is a retard and cashman knows how to take advantage of retards. Anyone that would send all that for RJ has to be considered mentally incapable and someone should step in and keep cashman from taking advantage of the poor bastards in AZ!LOL

 

if you take advantage of another GMs ineptitude, is that a bad thing? Good GM's take advantage of bad GM's.

[schillingouttheks]

Funny...seeing as loads of Yankees fans were on Theo's case because he took advantage of the AZ FO in the Schilling trade.

[jacksonianmarch]

Funny...seeing as loads of Yankees fans were on Theo's case because he took advantage of the AZ FO in the Schilling trade.

 

No, loads of yankee fans were jealous that the sox took advantage of the arizona GM. BTW, nice kneepads. I had the fluorescent green ones when I play rec league basketball a LONG time ago.

[schillingouttheks]

Ok, then they turned that jealousy into anger pretty quickly. To them, Theo was "cheap" because he took advantage of the D-Backs.

[jacksonianmarch]

Ok' date=' then they turned that jealousy into anger pretty quickly. To them, Theo was "cheap" because he took advantage of the D-Backs.[/quote']

 

whoever said that was an idiot.

[schillingouttheks]

This we agree on.

[He Hate Me]

Ok' date=' then they turned that jealousy into anger pretty quickly. To them, Theo was "cheap" because he took advantage of the D-Backs.[/quote']

 

I wasn't mad at Theo about that at all. I thought it had everything to do with revenge for the David Wells signing (a George Steinbrenner special BTW Cashmas was out of the loop on that one). Essentially, in my mind anyway, we gave up a shot at Schilling for David Wells thanks to the Tampa idiots. Ahh splintered FO morons who have the ear fo the owner instead of the good baseball people...

[Gom]

LOL!

[a700hitter]

a new rumor has arisen. I dont have a link for this one, but it seems to be all over yankee boards. The new rumor is that the Yankees and DBacks have agreed to a deal involving reliever Brandon Medders, Micah Owings, and first baseman Chris Carter. Carter just turned 24. He is a 6 foot 225lb first baseman who hit

 

.301 19HR 97RBI 10SB in AAA in 2006.

 

In 351 minor league games, he has

 

1331AB 409H .307AVG 78doubles 67HR 282RBI with a .396OBP .526SLG and a .922OPS.

 

This kid can MASH. No idea how he is defensively. He is left handed which is good t in yankee stadium but bad in our lineup. But this deal would net us a rookie 1b with lots of pop, a potential middle of the order starter with lots of polish and a young power reliever with 1.5 seasons of semi-success in the majors. Not bad haul if this works. GO CASHMAN!!

I can hardly wait for the Yankees to give up 16-17 wins and a guy who the Sox can't seem to beat even when they hit him for a minor league first baseman who can mash and two other prospects. That kid Carter will be mashing potatoes in a soup kitchen before he's mashing balls as the Yankee first baseman.

[a700hitter]

http://www.lohud.com/blogs/2007/01/status-of-johnson-trade.html

 

the diamondbacks have officially requested a 72 hour negotiating window with Randy. This means that the yankees and dbacks have successfully agreed to a deal and now it is up to the DBacks to make a deal.

Could the 72 hours be to let AZo over his extensive medical records and to give him a physical?

[jacksonianmarch]

I can hardly wait for the Yankees to give up 16-17 wins and a guy who the Sox can't seem to beat even when they hit him for a minor league first baseman who can mash and two other prospects. That kid Carter will be mashing potatoes in a soup kitchen before he's mashing balls as the Yankee first baseman.

 

Dont be jealous 700. It isnt our fault that we are about to fleece the s*** out of a newb GM. I could win 17 games if I got 7.5 runs a game and I havent pitched in a game in a long time.

 

It breaks down to dealing a 43 yr old pitcher on the decline stuff and numbers wise. A guy coming off back surgery which may make him miss significant time at the beginning of next yr. A guy who left nothing on the table for the playoffs and essentially turned the tide of both playoff series by his suckitude. And we might get the DBacks best pitching prospect, their best power prospect, and their best young reliever. That is fleecing.

 

As for Carter mashing in a soup kitchen, well, if he comes over, he will be the first baseman breaking camp. Power, average, plate discipline. He'll get his shot in a loaded yankee lineup. Expectations will be low, but lefty power in Yankee stadium can only be good.

 

Plus having Owings around can make a future deal for a big time pitcher better.

[jacksonianmarch]

Could the 72 hours be to let AZo over his extensive medical records and to give him a physical?

 

The Times is saying the yankees have not allowed the 72 hour window yet. They may not allow a window, they may say take it or leave it. Who knows.

 

For the record. This is way too f***ing drawn out. Finish the damn deal, send his ass packing and get us some good prospects + cash relief to get Roger.

[a700hitter]

Dont be jealous 700. It isnt our fault that we are about to fleece the s*** out of a newb GM. I could win 17 games if I got 7.5 runs a game and I havent pitched in a game in a long time.

I am so jealous that I'll probably have to hide my belt and shoelaces if they also trade the 39 year-old Moose for more prospects.

As for Carter mashing in a soup kitchen' date=' well, if he comes over, he will be the first baseman breaking camp. Power, average, plate discipline. He'll get his shot in a loaded yankee lineup. Expectations will be low, but lefty power in Yankee stadium can only be good.[/quote']You already have a lefty-hitting first baseman that can mash but not field. Maybe they'll move him for prospects too. Maybe Cashman will take a page from the playbook of the Marlin's GM.