Jaret Wright traded to the O's

[ORS]

Plenty of other things make sense. Like, perhaps, they didn't believe media "sources"/speculation. Or that their evaluations had him costing more than the $3M + Reliever to replace Britton. Those make sense. Them not reading the sports section of the local paper, or following media coverage of the hot stove season at all, makes very little sense.

[Gom]

I see your points, and they are valid. I just think giving up a major league capable player for him was way too much. Maybe I'm jaded, because of how bad he was last year, but from the Yankees viewpoint, it was a no-brainer of a deal. Literally, something for nothing. It actually isn't all that bad for the Orioles as well. I just think the Yankees would have accepted a mid-level Double A prospect, not someone who could make their 25 man roster next season.

 

Trust me, they weren't keeping this guy.

[yankeessuck013]

So, the Yankees have cut 20 million from the pay roll in 1 weekend

 

Its interesting what they want in return to. All young arms

 

They could be doing this for a multitude of reason. The 2 that I think are the most plausable are:

 

1.They have rededicated themselves to rebuilding the Farm system and have taken the attack the problem w/ numbers approach. There first 8 draft picks were pitchers this year and they seem to be gearing themselves on getting there future pitchers from the farm system rather then going the FA route which they have been burned on lately. Pitchers also retain there value and are much more valuable chips in trades. The returns wont be immediate but I think they know they have to rebuild the farm system. They went from having no pitching prospects that projected to be future aces to having 3 and maybe 4.

 

or

 

2.The Yankees are loading up for a big trade. By aquiring as many young pitching prospects as they can they can make a competitive offer for say a Willis or a Kazmir. Kazmir is highly unlikely but isnt a player the Rays would consider trading untill the are fully certain he wont resign. The reality is that the Yankkes dont have to many movable parts at the major league level so by aquiring prospects they make themselves more flexible in the future.

[ORS]

I see your points, and they are valid. I just think giving up a major league capable player for him was way too much. Maybe I'm jaded, because of how bad he was last year, but from the Yankees viewpoint, it was a no-brainer of a deal. Literally, something for nothing. It actually isn't all that bad for the Orioles as well. I just think the Yankees would have accepted a mid-level Double A prospect, not someone who could make their 25 man roster next season.

 

Trust me, they weren't keeping this guy.

I don't doubt that they would have accepted something less. But your point about this being a good fit for the O's is kind of what I've been maintaining all along. And, that was the only reason I got involved in the thread. Jacksonian is busy scurrying after Cashman with a buffing wheel for his nutsack on every trade the Yankees have made calling them rapings. In both cases (Sheffield and Wright) the other team got better too. Not what I'd call a raping.

[jacksonianmarch]

Someone is in a pissy mood today. ORS, are you incapable to give your enemies credit when they do something well?

 

Here is the reason why I am "buffing nutsack" over these deals. How many people on here thought that the yankees would have to "dump" Gary Sheffield while eating some salary? This was mostly due to his perception as a grumpy old slugger coming off a major injury. How is it then, that the yankees were able to deal Sheff without eating any money while adding 3 quality arms to their farm system, one of which is a top tier prospect with ace potential. Pretty good for a guy who was supposed to be dumped with cash going his direction eh?

 

Jaret Wright was going to be bought out for 4 mil. Instead, they got a young, fireballing pitcher who had a solid rookie season in the major league for Jaret Wright and the 4 mil the yankees were going to use to buyout Jaret Wright anyway.

 

In all, the board was expecting the total transaction to be

 

Leaving NY

Sheffield + 5-6mil

Jaret Wright + 4mil

 

Coming to NY

s***** prospect #1 for Sheff and nothing for Wright

 

Instead, the yankees dealt sheffield, wright, and 4 mil for 4 fireballing 23 or under pitchers, one with MLB experience and one at AAA with #1 potential. It is not just about helping both teams ORS. It is about perceived value and getting more than the value that you are giving up. The yankees got a lot more than anyone would give then credit for, for 2 players who would not have had a role had they stayed.

[a700hitter]

Someone is in a pissy mood today. ORS, are you incapable to give your enemies credit when they do something well?

 

Here is the reason why I am "buffing nutsack" over these deals. How many people on here thought that the yankees would have to "dump" Gary Sheffield while eating some salary? This was mostly due to his perception as a grumpy old slugger coming off a major injury. How is it then, that the yankees were able to deal Sheff without eating any money while adding 3 quality arms to their farm system, one of which is a top tier prospect with ace potential. Pretty good for a guy who was supposed to be dumped with cash going his direction eh?

 

Jaret Wright was going to be bought out for 4 mil. Instead, they got a young, fireballing pitcher who had a solid rookie season in the major league for Jaret Wright and the 4 mil the yankees were going to use to buyout Jaret Wright anyway.

 

In all, the board was expecting the total transaction to be

 

Leaving NY

Sheffield + 5-6mil

Jaret Wright + 4mil

 

Coming to NY

s***** prospect #1 for Sheff and nothing for Wright

 

Instead, the yankees dealt sheffield, wright, and 4 mil for 4 fireballing 23 or under pitchers, one with MLB experience and one at AAA with #1 potential. It is not just about helping both teams ORS. It is about perceived value and getting more than the value that you are giving up. The yankees got a lot more than anyone would give then credit for, for 2 players who would not have had a role had they stayed.

For the last time, congratulations on dumping a borderline Hall of Fame outfielder and an 11 game winner for one fat pitcher with 50 innings and about a 10 ERA against the Red Sox and three lottery tickets. Big accomplishment.

[Optimist]

Matsuzaka's a 'lottery ticket' but you seem quite content with that. And those 50 innings for Britton are 50 more than a guy you're willing to pay $40+ million for just to negotiate with.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

For the last time' date=' congratulations on dumping a borderline Hall of Fame outfielder[/quote']

 

Exactly. What FO is going to want to give up talent for a $13 million dollar old and damaged ballplayer that is on record that he will probably be unhappy on your team.

 

You changed your tone pretty quickly.

[a700hitter]

You changed your tone pretty quickly.

 

Originally Posted by a700hitter

Exactly. What FO is going to want to give up talent for a $13 million dollar old and damaged ballplayer that is on record that he will probably be unhappy on your team.

I guess you missed the part in that quote about him being "unhappy." By extending him by two years they made him happy, and the deal became attractive to the Tigers.

[a700hitter]

Matsuzaka's a 'lottery ticket' but you seem quite content with that. And those 50 innings for Britton are 50 more than a guy you're willing to pay $40+ million for just to negotiate with.

Eat your heart out.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I guess you missed the part in that quote about him being "unhappy." By extending him by two years they made him happy' date=' and the deal became attractive to the Tigers.[/quote']

 

No, you still called him an old and damaged ball player. All of a sudden the Yankees get value for him and you remind us that hes a borderline hall of fame OFer. Thats quite convenient.

[a700hitter]

No' date=' you still called him an old and damaged ball player. All of a sudden the Yankees get value for him and you remind us that hes a borderline hall of fame OFer. Thats quite convenient.[/quote']He is old and damaged, and he is a borderline hall of famer. No? That being said, he can put up 30 - 35 HRs. The 3 year contract made him a happy camper so he will not be a distraction. I guess you also missed the part about "giving up talent." I am on record called these three guys lottery tickets. Getting Maroth or Miner would be talent.

[Optimist]

No' date=' you still called him an old and damaged ball player. All of a sudden the Yankees get value for him and you remind us that hes a borderline hall of fame OFer. Thats quite convenient.[/quote']

 

Don't bother. Just sit back and enjoy the show.

[a700hitter]

Don't bother. Just sit back and enjoy the show.

Laugh away. I am having a ball.

[yankeessuck013]

Matsuzaka's a 'lottery ticket' but you seem quite content with that. And those 50 innings for Britton are 50 more than a guy you're willing to pay $40+ million for just to negotiate with.

 

Pretty weird/gutsy statement considering you were one person who really wanted him on the NYY.

[Optimist]

Pretty weird/gutsy statement considering you were one person who really wanted him on the NYY.

 

I was? I wanted him, undoubtedly. Not for $40 - $50 million (plus whatever contract)...but I did want him.

 

Anyways, I made the statement because it's true. And I find it hilarious to watch someone who's spent days bashing the highly touted prospects the Yankees have received as 'unproven' and then, in the same breath, defend spending tens of millions (perhaps close to $100 million) on a guy who hasn't thrown a single pitch in any level of American baseball.

[a700hitter]

Pretty weird/gutsy statement considering you were one person who really wanted him on the NYY.

She doesn't even see her own double standards. It's quite amusing.

[Optimist]

Enlighten me. We've seen many examples of yours, but I haven't really see one for me. Not once, to my memory, have I said anything about Matsuzaka and changed it the instant he looked like he was going to the Sox.

[a700hitter]

I was? I wanted him, undoubtedly. Not for $40 - $50 million (plus whatever contract)...but I did want him.

 

Anyways, I made the statement because it's true. And I find it hilarious to watch someone who's spent days bashing the highly touted prospects the Yankees have received as 'unproven' and then, in the same breath, defend spending tens of millions (perhaps close to $100 million) on a guy who hasn't thrown a single pitch in any level of American baseball.

And Godzilla didn't have on AB in America, but guess who I picked with the number 1 pick in my leagues minor league draft. That's right... I didn't pick the guys from AA or AAA. You are having a hard time dealing with this whole Matsazuka thing. Well, you can still cling to the hope that he only wants to paly for the Yankees.

[yankeessuck013]

the bid does not count against the payroll...why is that so hard to understand.

 

John Henry's been saving millions of dollars per year. 40-50 million is chump change to a billionaire like him.

[Optimist]

Yeah, feel free to keep rolling that line out.

 

Anyways, if you guys want to pay that much for him...go ahead; I honestly don't care. I'm not going to moan and whine all winter like another fan base would (and has.) The Yankees can, and most likely will, find a more than suitable answer to their pitching question elsewhere.

[jacksonianmarch]

For the last time' date=' congratulations on dumping a borderline Hall of Fame outfielder and an 11 game winner for one fat pitcher with 50 innings and about a 10 ERA against the Red Sox and three lottery tickets. Big accomplishment. [/quote']

 

beats your initial prediction.

 

You will be able to keep [sheffield] from Boston' date=' but you will have to eat some of the $13 million.[/quote']

[schillingouttheks]

Yeah, feel free to keep rolling that line out.

 

Anyways, if you guys want to pay that much for him...go ahead; I honestly don't care. I'm not going to moan and whine all winter like another fan base would (and has.) The Yankees can, and most likely will, find a more than suitable answer to their pitching question elsewhere.

 

You didn't have a fan favorite betray you that quickly. Nor have you had a FO that made a terrible move that kind of hurt your own team during the season.

[a700hitter]

beats your initial prediction.

Not really, because I thought the Yankees were looking for a major league player in return.

[jacksonianmarch]

Not really' date=' because I thought the Yankees were looking for a major league player in return.[/quote']

 

They got something a lot better than random major leaguer X. They got an projected ace of a rotation who is already in AAA. Most of the time, when you trade away a big time prospect, you do so before they prove they can handle the upper levels of the minors. At that point, he becomes untouchable. I dont know who Cashman had to blow to get this deal done, but he got a guy who had proven himself in the minors and should have been labelled as an untouchable.

[a700hitter]

They got something a lot better than random major leaguer X. They got an projected ace of a rotation who is already in AAA. Most of the time' date=' when you trade away a big time prospect, you do so before they prove they can handle the upper levels of the minors. At that point, he becomes untouchable. I dont know who Cashman had to blow to get this deal done, but he got a guy who had proven himself in the minors and should have been labelled as an untouchable.[/quote']Congratulations on this blue-chip prospect. I'm thrilled for you.

[jacksonianmarch]

Congratulations on this blue-chip prospect. I'm thrilled for you.

 

I wonder how thrilled you were about having Jon Lester come up to the team (prior to his leukemia, good luck kid). Or with having Anibal in your system. Or with having Papelbon come up to the bigs. This kid is on their level of prospects.

[Optimist]

Prior to this year, Humberto was ranked #3 among Tiger minor league pitchers. Who were the two pitchers in front of him? Guys by the name of Verlander and Zumaya.

[rician blast]

I think the Yankees have done ok so far this offseason, picking up the young pitchers they have obtained. I also think they are poised to make some trades that will improve their pitching staff NOW as opposed to waiting for the kids to develop and would expect a trade this offseason which brings more depth to their staff.

[ORS]

Someone is in a pissy mood today. ORS' date=' are you incapable to give your enemies credit when they do something well?[/quote']

Sure am. I said both trades were good fits. When you make a good fit trade, you are doing well. Is this hard to understand?

 

I don't see where either of these moves can be categorized as rapings. For you to go so far out of your way to defend that notion says a lot about your "unrevealed" allegiances.