Jaret Wright traded to the O's

[a700hitter]

He did everything he could against a team that had 2 stud ace pitchers that the yankees couldnt seem to beat.

The Yankees had 3 stud strters that year-- Clemens, Moose nd Pettite. They also had a huge bullpen advantage. Arizona had that head case BK Kim and no one else. He got outmanaged that series. He let game 6 get out of hand allowing Unit to conserve some pitches for game 7.

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I don't care what anyone says. Torre is an idiot. I'm a diehard Yankee fan' date=' and he's an idiot. I could have won with the teams he had. The only good job he did was in 1996. The rest was a joke.[/quote']

You're out of your mind. They were so good because the way they responded to Joe. Joe played to the players back then, and they loved him, and listened to every word he said. He was able to take all of those guys, with less than stellar talent, and make them a championship team. There were really no superstars, for the most part. Torre took a bunch of B players and made a champion out of them. You couldn't do that, and quite honestly, I dont know who could.

 

If he pulls Petitte early, then the Diamonbacks don't save Johnson for Game 7. Like I said, he wasn't favored in that series, but he also didn't win. 2000....the Yankees were far and away a better team and won in 5. Not a good manager..never was, never will be.

How can you argue with Torre leaving Petitte in the game? It was a game that was pretty much in the books as an L. Why use up other pitchers when you can save them for the decisive, more important game 7? He was right to just let Andy eat the innings rather than take a chance of waring out a few pitchers and not having them available the following night. Had Torre pulled Andy, and let the pen pitch those innings, and then have to pull Roger early in Game 7 and not have those pitchers ready, he would be criticized. Either way, it's a no-win for Joe.

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Outmanaged? Hardly. The Diamondbacks just played great baseball, almost the entire series. Their pitching was outstanding and they caught a break in Gamne 7. Being 3 outs away from a championship with Mariano Rivera on the mound isn't bad managing. It just worked out for the D-Backs that Mo threw the ball away and Jeter was playing shallow on Gonzo's blooper (I can still see that f***ing thing dropping. I don't think that vision will ever escape me).

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Cashman is way overpaid' date=' because he apparently does nothing.[/quote']

Where have you been the past two years, you ignorant f***? This was a huge issue among the Yankees. Cashman has been calling all of the shots the past two years. Cash was going to leave if he wasn't guaranteed more control last offseason, so he got it. And quite frankly, he's done a magnificant job the past few years.

 

cashman had a great season getting lidle abreau and wilson on the cheap

he is a figurehead but as someone else said,hes getting more powerful each day

 

has anyone underachieved more than joe torre over the last 5 seasons??

1billion in payroll and they have the

ALDS PARTICIPANT banner to show their fans

 

if he fails this season look for them both to be unemployed by november 1st

in torres case maybe by memorial day

Cashman is here to stay regardless of what happens next year. The only way Torre leaves is if he wants to. If he does a poor job this season, he will not come back. He won't be forced out.

[a700hitter]

Torre took a bunch of B players and made a champion out of them. You couldn't do that, and quite honestly, I dont know who could.

Yes a bunch of B players:rolleyes: : 5 time batting champion Boggs; batting champions O'Neil and Bernie; Tino; Cecil Fielder; Tim Raines; 7-time Cy Young winner Roger Clemens; 200+ game winners Cone, Wells and Kenny Rogers; Wetteland, Mo; Chili Davis 350 HRs and 1300+ RBI; Pettite soon to be a 200 game winner; and 4-time All Star Knoblauch,; among others. Good job Joe.

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Boggs was there under Joe for two years, one championship. Paul and Bernie weren't considered superstars. Cecil was a guy who was ressurrecting his career. Timmy was at the end of his career. Same with Chili. Kenny Rogers? Hahahah.

 

As for the pitchers, I can't argue with you. I wasn't really refferring to them when I said B players.

[a700hitter]

Boggs was there under Joe for two years' date=' one championship. Paul and Bernie weren't considered superstars. Cecil was a guy who was ressurrecting his career. Timmy was at the end of his career. Same with Chili. Kenny Rogers? Hahahah.[/quote']I don't care if they were at the beginning or end of their careers. These guys were stars. The Yankees had them as role players at the end. I'd rather have them coming off the bench than Bubba Crosby. I didn't even mention Jeter, Strawberry and Gooden. Bernies finished in the top 4 in BAtting Average 4 times in 6 years. He's been a All Star 5 times as was O'Neil. Maybe O'Neil and Bernie weren't considered Superstars, but guys that make 5 All Star teams are Stars that border on Superstardom. You can Hahaha about Kenny Rogers, but he has over 200 wins in the majors, so I don't think he sucks. If Torre was as good a manager as Leyland, maybe he would have gotten more out of him in the post -season. You are just ruining your credibility by making the outrageous claim that Torre won with B players. Brenly won with B player. Ozzie Guille won with B players. Torre had the creme de la creme. Just look at the All Star rosters those years and see how many yankees were on those teams.

[jacksonianmarch]

the yankees did it with a base of solid pitching both in a staff that ate innings and a back end of the pen that was lights out. Their offense made solid contact but also took their share of walks. They had stellar defense up the middle with Girardi and Posada manning the plate and a younger, faster Jeter at SS as well as a very speedy Bernie in center. They had a warrior who fought through everything in RF who was also a great fielder. Brosius was a great fielder. George got away from what worked. Great fielding, clutch hitting, OBP, and pitching. This yankee team is loaded with OBP, but they dont make much contact, they dont pitch well and they cannot field.