John Smoltz??

[ORS]

We need a top of the rotation guy to compete in the playoffs. A top three of Schilling, Smoltz and Beckett would be very solid and would give the Sox an excellent chance of advancing through the playoffs.

Co-signed. I like Pedroia, but I think Smoltz makes this team a serious WS contender this year. I don't like their chances in the postseason with the current rotation. And, I don't like the idea of banking on Wells or Clement to provide big 2nd half contributions.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Co-signed. I like Pedroia, but I think Smoltz makes this team a serious WS contender this year. I don't like their chances in the postseason with the current rotation. And, I don't like the idea of banking on Wells or Clement to provide big 2nd half contributions.

I too would love to pick-up some quality pitching. But with the scarcity of availability the cost is going to be deep. So the larger question is : Are wel willing to sacrifice the future to win now ?

[a700hitter]

I too would love to pick-up some quality pitching. But with the scarcity of availability the cost is going to be deep. So the larger question is : Are wel willing to sacrifice the future to win now ?

I don't view Pedroia as an untouchable blue-chip prospect. I could also see parting with Murphy. I wouldn't move Lester and/or Hansen for a 39-year old pitcher, but I'd move just about anyone else within reason to get Smoltz.

[DUSTINMOHR4LIFE]

I would definetly trade Murphy, but I wouldn't trade Pedroia unless we could get Giles and why would we trade for Giles because we have Loretta.

[TheKilo]

I would definetly trade Murphy, but I wouldn't trade Pedroia unless we could get Giles and why would we trade for Giles because we have Loretta.

 

 

I'm with 700, I'd trade a combo of Pedroia/Murphy to get Smoltz.

 

 

At best, Murphy's gonna be the 4th OF here (what with Crisp, Pena, and Ellsbury coming up), but Pedroia I can deal with losing.

 

Then again, the Braves probably wouldn't do that deal because the have Giles/Betimit for 2nd, and Laangerhans/Francoeur/Jones, etc. for the outfield.

[jsinger121]

For the braves to make any deal for smoltz it would have to include just about major league ready pitchers. There offense is fine. Its their pitching that sucks.

[TheKilo]

For the braves to make any deal for smoltz it would have to include just about major league ready pitchers. There offense is fine. Its their pitching that sucks.

 

 

Not even to cut salary?

[jsinger121]

Not even to cut salary?

 

there payroll is fine. they don't need to cut payroll. what they need is good young starting pitching like they had in the early 1990's.

[TheKilo]

there payroll is fine. they don't need to cut payroll. what they need is good young starting pitching like they had in the early 1990's.

 

 

Smoltz takes up quite a bit of their salary. You don't think they can use his $$ to pay 2 or 3 young arms?

[Beckett95]

id give them Bucholz, Alvarez and Murphy for Smoltz and if needed throw in Pedroia instead of Bucholz/Murphy.

[jsinger121]

Smoltz takes up quite a bit of their salary. You don't think they can use his $$ to pay 2 or 3 young arms?

 

what young arms can they get that say the red sox won't get. its not like their payroll is high. its in the 70's and atlanta is not a small market team.

[Mr Crunchy]

atlanta cant sell out playoff games after 14straight division titles

last weekend they mustve been humiliated being outnumbered by sox fans in their own backyard

baseball is the 5th sport in georgia

behind football,spring football,nascar and bass fishing

 

depending on how bad smoltz wants to be moved and then how badly their gm wants to accomadate his wishes

we can get him for the pennant run

it seems to me with schill on top of his game,beckett with the ability to win big games,a lites out closer and a decent offensive unit

we're short a couple starting pitchers that would make us an odds on favorite to win it all

 

theo traded freddy sanchez for jeff suppan

he traded hillebrand for bunny kim

why wouldnt he trade pedroia for smoltz??

[jsinger121]

the sox prolly would do that trade but john shurholtz likely wouldn't....he is one of the best GM's in the game and has some of the best talent evaluators on his staff. the braves rarely get swindled in any trade. they will not do a John Smoltz trade without acquiring a young up an coming starting pitcher in return.

[CrespoBlows]

Smoltz takes up quite a bit of their salary. You don't think they can use his $$ to pay 2 or 3 young arms?

 

Smoltz has an $8 million club option for next year. That's an extremely fair deal for the Atlanta Braves.

[SoxFan02]

Giles could be traded, but the Braves think Betemit might be there long term 2nd baseman. Pedroia could play SS for them.

 

They really have no use for Smoltz as he is old and they are out of the playoff race. The only thing is is that smoltz has been there his whole career, which is pretty big

 

Scherjoltz is not going to trade away Giles and Smoltz and rebuild for the future just because they had one lousy year. MAYBE one but not two.

The sox don't need to trade away Pedroia for a great pitcher all they need is a decent #3 maybe they can trade away Pena for some above average pitcher and move Murphy up.

[Beckett95]

i dont know if this has been posted yet, but heres a link to the story about Smoltz saying he would leave if it were good for the Braves.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2493341

[ksushi]

Woah woah what?? Where the hell did I say I would trade Hansen or Lester for Smoltz?? I think I stated twice that I am not interested in trading either of them for anything. I might be the biggest Jon Lester fan here....I think you didn't read my post correctly. I said I am not excited about trading either of them.

 

I said I would be willing to trade Dustin Pedroia for John Smoltz.

 

I'm not gonna go re-read but it may very well have been my bad. My apologies.

 

If I were Theo, I would not even talk hypothetical deals involving lester and hansen. Not for anything. Also, if I were Theo I would pick John Scherholtz's brain about a Pedroia, Soto and Bucholz for Smoltz trade.

[a700hitter]

I'm not gonna go re-read but it may very well have been my bad. My apologies.

 

If I were Theo, I would not even talk hypothetical deals involving lester and hansen. Not for anything. Also, if I were Theo I would pick John Scherholtz's brain about a Pedroia, Soto and Bucholz for Smoltz trade.

We are starting to think alike. Scary... right?

[jsinger121]

Let's be honest here.....nobody rips off John Scherholtz. He usually rips off other teams.

[ksushi]

I don't think Pedroia and a couple more guys is a rip off. Especially if trading Giles is something they intend to do, I'd actually like to think thats a nice fit right there.

[jsinger121]

Braves don't need Pedroia. what they need is ready made pitching prospects and a few of them. With Scherholtz he is the one who usually rips the other team off. Just look how he got Tim Hudson for 3 stiffs.

[Anuj09]

and thats Billie Beane he ripped off which is damn near impossible

[Mr Crunchy]

atlanta and oakland have 1 title between them in the last 16 years

thank tommy glavine for shutting out the tribe in game 6 1995 or atlanta would be known as buffalo south.

due to incredible luck with pitching health oakland was competetive for a few years and shouldve advanced with their pitching staff and guys like tejada giambi and damon on offense....

same goes for atlanta,smoltz(missed a year with elbow surgery) glavine and maddox were the same 3 studs they trotted out there year in and year out,

they also had jason schmidt who they dumped for.....denny neagle..steve avery was very effective earlier in his career as well...

consistancy is the key....

 

question for jon s

 

why didnt you ever get a closer and bullpen depth??

they may have won 6 world series if they had a bullpen

they didnt

i blame the general manager for that

i find them both to be incredibly overated

sure they make deals that on paper look good

so did duquette and theo and cashman for that matter

are they geniouses too?

look at the florida club

they won,the rebuilt and won again,dismantled and rebuilt and are hotter than a bulls dick today...all this and they dont draw s*** either.

 

i suppose the fact that oakland&atlanta play in a disinterested market they get a pass as they have to deal with payroll restrictions that we here in the east dont have to

but i dont think either one of them is better than williams in chicago or whoever is pulling the strings in florida these days

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Braves don't need Pedroia. what they need is ready made pitching prospects and a few of them. With Scherholtz he is the one who usually rips the other team off. Just look how he got Tim Hudson for 3 stiffs.

 

Why do they need major league ready pitching prospects?? They are not in contention and chances are this is not something easily fixed for next season. If anything they will lose Andrew Jones and make things more difficult. We traded Edgar Renteria for Coco Crisp thanks to the help of Atlanta....was that a rip off??

 

Dustin Pedroia is still considered one of the top infield prospects in the game...I don't see this as a rip off. Its possible the Red Sox would consider Manny Delcarmen since Francona seems to have issues allowing him to pitch full innings. Jermaine Van Buren is another reliever along with Abe Alvarez, Buchholz.....etc. There are options here for a 40 year old pitcher who will help us for half a season and "maybe" next year.

[Mr Crunchy]

i think atlanta is the worst team in the al east with no help in getting close to the top in the near future.

with their current attendence issues i wouldnt be surprised to see the jones boys as well as smoltz sent packing come 7-31...

really,why keep them around??

for the greatful fans of atlanta??

f*** em,they dont deserve it

[SoxFan02]

Why do they need major league ready pitching prospects?? They are not in contention and chances are this is not something easily fixed for next season. If anything they will lose Andrew Jones and make things more difficult. We traded Edgar Renteria for Coco Crisp thanks to the help of Atlanta....was that a rip off??

 

Dustin Pedroia is still considered one of the top infield prospects in the game...I don't see this as a rip off. Its possible the Red Sox would consider Manny Delcarmen since Francona seems to have issues allowing him to pitch full innings. Jermaine Van Buren is another reliever along with Abe Alvarez, Buchholz.....etc. There are options here for a 40 year old pitcher who will help us for half a season and "maybe" next year.

 

While were at it why don't we just trade the entire Pawtucket team for Smoltz and Hudson. NOT

[jsinger121]

Why do they need major league ready pitching prospects?? They are not in contention and chances are this is not something easily fixed for next season. If anything they will lose Andrew Jones and make things more difficult. We traded Edgar Renteria for Coco Crisp thanks to the help of Atlanta....was that a rip off??

 

Dustin Pedroia is still considered one of the top infield prospects in the game...I don't see this as a rip off. Its possible the Red Sox would consider Manny Delcarmen since Francona seems to have issues allowing him to pitch full innings. Jermaine Van Buren is another reliever along with Abe Alvarez, Buchholz.....etc. There are options here for a 40 year old pitcher who will help us for half a season and "maybe" next year.

 

They may not compete this year but the Braves can compete next year and the only way to do that is with young up and coming starting pitching.

[Mr Crunchy]

im not sure about that

a jones will require 50-60m to keep around,c jones isnt the same

hudson is a decent pitcher,hardly an ace,smoltz is still a stud but the rest of the staff should be cleaning rental cars at the airport,they suck that bad.

they dont need a guy here or there

they need an entire bullpen(ryan demspster and mike remlinger??are you shittin me)a lead off guy (brian giles is hitting .244 with no pop and 7 steals) and some power from the corners now that 78 year old julio franco is in shea and chippa has only 7hrs.

francouer and the other guy are decent hitters but incredibly inconsistant

laroche,while hitting in the 235-240 range has some pop

renteria is your above avg offensive sstop

 

all in all if they could get 10 pitchers and some power from their infield they'd be capable of challenging the mets

[Beckett95]

theres been talk of an Anthony Reyes for Smoltz deal

[example1]

You guys are all insane. Smoltz is good for one, two years at the MOST.

 

He is not the type of guy to push a team over the top, and even if he were he won't be around in a year. The sox are not the type of team to give away a Bucholz and Pedroia for a 40 year old pitcher. They just aren't. They would give up a Bucholtz and Pedroia for a good YOUNG arm (i.e., Josh Beckett), but not an old man close to retirement.

 

The only reason the sox went after Clemens is that he could be had with only $$$, and if the same were true with Smoltz I'd be all for it.

 

I don't trust the AL--> NL move. I don't trust his age, and I don't think we're going to trade Pedroia for a guy like Smoltz. i just don't see it happening.

 

Also, most of you were all in favor of the "retooling" process during the offseason. Now its all about winning this year... guess what? We're close to winning this year already. We can beat most teams, and I have plenty of faith in wakefield as a #3 in the playoffs (if we get there).

 

I'm all for making deals, but not this one. Why not trade Pedroia for Kenny Rogers or Kevin Millwood?