Will you boo Petey?

[BoSox Rule]

I have no idea why I haven't been here. It's just something that kind of happened, I need to stick around.

 

By the way, BDD sucks. They are already calling Coco Crisp "Comar Crisp." God I hate them.

 

Oh, yeah, Keefe in the 1880 National League? The league where it took 8 balls to walk a batter? 50 feet from the pitcher's box to home plate? The pitcher could get a running start before he delivered the ball. Pedro is #1 on the ERA list as far as I am concerned.

[Dana Kiecker]

Anybody that boos Pedro is clueless, unless he slept with your sister or something.

 

You havent met my sister.. shes a beast. Id cheer him just for being able to get his skinny ass on top of her without tearing her... I mean his labrum..

[Cocos Disciples]

comar as in nomar?

[ahhchon]

FWIW, ERA+ takes the era into account. Keefe's 294 was with a 0.86 ERA in a league where the average was 2.52. That's still impressive. What isn't impressive to me is that he only pitched 105 innings in that season, making 12 starts. This is in an era where teams used only one primary starting pitcher because they weren't throwing overhand at the time and fatigue wasn't a big issue. Thus, he wasn't the best pitcher on his team. Seems flukish to me.

 

i know era + takes the era into account. but like you said, it was the 1880's. like you said, 105 innings is a fluke, bosox said the rest. underhand pithcing 8 balls etc.. it's all in the handbook :-D

 

john

[TheRivernator]

if you guys want to go by best season, start with Gibson's 1.12 era...

[KeepTheFaith1229]

comar as in nomar?

 

No, they're talking about Lamar Odom.

[Cocos Disciples]

i got a funny feeling this hombre is sarcastic.

[RedSoxRooter]

29-4 seems about right.

[ORS]

if you guys want to go by best season, start with Gibson's 1.12 era...

In a season where the league average was 2.90, and the mound was 5" higher. Petey circa 2000 would have an ERA under 1 in that environment.

[a700hitter]

if you guys want to go by best season, start with Gibson's 1.12 era...

That same year Marichal won 26 games and McClain won 31.

[BoSox Rule]

Baseball Prospectus' DT cards are broken into 4 different sections: Actual Batting Stats, Advanced Batting Stats, Translated batting stats, and then fielding stats by position. The pitcher's cards are also broken down into 7 sections: Actual Pitching Stats, Advanced Pitching stats, Translated pitching stats, Actual batting stats, Advanced batting stats, Translated batting stats, and then again, fielding. You can view an example of a DT card here: David Ortiz.

 

Now, what I am getting at is this: Translated statistics. What they try to do here is put every player that has every played game on an equal ground to stand on. Here is the definition of "Translated Stats" from their glossary:

Converts all pitching statistics into a standard context. Pitchers are translated to a league where the top five pitchers (in innings) pitch an average of 275 innings. An average pitcher will have rates, per nine innings, of 9.00 hits, 1.00 home run, 3.00 walks, 6.00 strikeouts, and 4.50 earned runs. In the standard context, a replacement level pitcher has a 6.00; the translation is set up to conserve runs above replacement (alltime PRAR). Wins and losses are set using the pythagorean formula with average run support, with the pitcher's actual deviation from his real expected win percentage added back in.

Here are the Translated Stats for the top 25 single season Adjusted ERA+'s in the history of baseball, and a few ERA+ seasons that didn't make the top 25 but were great Translated seasons. They are in order of Translated ERA, not Adjusted ERA+ because ERA+ has its faults. All of the following statistics are translated. I definitely missed a few. I added in Randy's years but he wasn't in the top 25 ERA+. Keep in mind these aren't the top translated ERA's, they are the top 25 ERA+ leaders but arranged by Translated ERA with their Translated stats.

Player	        Year	ERA	IP	K/9	BB/9	HR/9	
[b]Pedro Martinez	2000	1.31	261	12.1	0.5	0.6	[/b]
Bob Gibson 	1968	1.39	278	8.5	1.9	0.7	
Dwight Gooden 	1985	1.51	279.7	9.1	1.8	0.6	
Steve Carlton	1972	1.53	324.3	8.9	1.8	0.6	
Roger Clemens	1997	1.57	292	9.7	1.6	0.2	
[b]Pedro Martinez	1999	1.59	258.7	13.1	0.8	0.3	
Pedro Martinez	2003	1.61	212	10.6	1.4	0.5	[/b]
Walter Johnson 	1913	1.77	309.7	8.3	0.7	1.2	
Randy Johnson	1995	1.78	273.7	12.1	2.1	0.4	
[b]Pedro Martinez	1997	1.79	266	9.9	1.9	0.8	[/b]
Dutch Leonard	1914	1.79	195.7	9.1	2.4	1.2	
Walter Johnson 	1912	1.92	296	9.1	1.8	0.9	
Randy Johnson	2001	1.96	284.7	12.1	2.1	0.5	
Randy Johnson	1999	1.98	300.3	10.7	1.6	0.8	
Randy Johnson	2002	1.98	296	11.2	1.8	0.7	
Walter Johnson 	1919	2.01	268.7	7.8	1.7	0.5	
Greg Maddux	1995	2.03	279.7	7.1	0.4	0.5	
Lefty Grove	1931	2.21	281.7	8.6	1.3	0.6	
Walter Johnson 	1918	2.25	292	7.8	2.4	0.9	
Christy Mathewson	1909	2.26	243	7.2	0.9	0.9	
Cy Young	1901	2.31	293.3	7.3	1.6	0.9	
Pete Alexander	1915	2.31	321	8.9	1.5	0.8	
Greg Maddux	1994	2.31	307.7	6.6	1	0.3	
Kevin Brown 	1996	2.38	265	5.2	0.8	0.4	
Christy Mathewson	1905	2.48	269	7.8	1.5	1.1	
Roger Clemens	2005	2.56	243	7.3	2.3	0.6	
Carl Lundgren	1907	2.93	175.3	5.6	5.1	0.6	
Mordecai Brown	1906	2.99	232	6.6	2	0.9	
Tim Keefe	1880	3.31	49	6.4	3.9	0.6	
Denny Driscoll	1882	3.59	135.3	3.3	2.3	1.1	
Jack Pfiester	1907	4.25	165	6.4	2.3	9	

Other Translated ERA's I missed:

 

Johan Santana 2004: 2.03

Pedro 2002: 2.20

Clemens 1998: 2.16

 

I could find many others but you get the idea on how good Pedro is.

 

Koufax last 4 years: 1.41, 1.68, 1.98, 1.55

[empirestrikesback26]

No, he's the man.

[TheKilo]

No, he's the man.

 

 

That's pretty much it. Anyone who boos him is an embarrassment.

[ksushi]

Yeah, no booing pedro. Pedro is amazing. So he went to another team, thats the idea with free agency. It happens. I love Pedro. Didn't want him back for that money, but I love him.

[empirestrikesback26]

Yeah, no booing pedro. Pedro is amazing. So he went to another team, thats the idea with free agency. It happens. I love Pedro. Didn't want him back for that money, but I love him.

Just as long as that other team isn't the yankees of course.

[empirestrikesback26]

Baseball Prospectus' DT cards are broken into 4 different sections: Actual Batting Stats, Advanced Batting Stats, Translated batting stats, and then fielding stats by position. The pitcher's cards are also broken down into 7 sections: Actual Pitching Stats, Advanced Pitching stats, Translated pitching stats, Actual batting stats, Advanced batting stats, Translated batting stats, and then again, fielding. You can view an example of a DT card here: David Ortiz.

 

Now, what I am getting at is this: Translated statistics. What they try to do here is put every player that has every played game on an equal ground to stand on. Here is the definition of "Translated Stats" from their glossary: Here are the Translated Stats for the top 25 single season Adjusted ERA+'s in the history of baseball, and a few ERA+ seasons that didn't make the top 25 but were great Translated seasons. They are in order of Translated ERA, not Adjusted ERA+ because ERA+ has its faults. All of the following statistics are translated. I definitely missed a few. I added in Randy's years but he wasn't in the top 25 ERA+. Keep in mind these aren't the top translated ERA's, they are the top 25 ERA+ leaders but arranged by Translated ERA with their Translated stats.

Player	        Year	ERA	IP	K/9	BB/9	HR/9	
[b]Pedro Martinez	2000	1.31	261	12.1	0.5	0.6	[/b]
Bob Gibson 	1968	1.39	278	8.5	1.9	0.7	
Dwight Gooden 	1985	1.51	279.7	9.1	1.8	0.6	
Steve Carlton	1972	1.53	324.3	8.9	1.8	0.6	
Roger Clemens	1997	1.57	292	9.7	1.6	0.2	
[b]Pedro Martinez	1999	1.59	258.7	13.1	0.8	0.3	
Pedro Martinez	2003	1.61	212	10.6	1.4	0.5	[/b]
Walter Johnson 	1913	1.77	309.7	8.3	0.7	1.2	
Randy Johnson	1995	1.78	273.7	12.1	2.1	0.4	
[b]Pedro Martinez	1997	1.79	266	9.9	1.9	0.8	[/b]
Dutch Leonard	1914	1.79	195.7	9.1	2.4	1.2	
Walter Johnson 	1912	1.92	296	9.1	1.8	0.9	
Randy Johnson	2001	1.96	284.7	12.1	2.1	0.5	
Randy Johnson	1999	1.98	300.3	10.7	1.6	0.8	
Randy Johnson	2002	1.98	296	11.2	1.8	0.7	
Walter Johnson 	1919	2.01	268.7	7.8	1.7	0.5	
Greg Maddux	1995	2.03	279.7	7.1	0.4	0.5	
Lefty Grove	1931	2.21	281.7	8.6	1.3	0.6	
Walter Johnson 	1918	2.25	292	7.8	2.4	0.9	
Christy Mathewson	1909	2.26	243	7.2	0.9	0.9	
Cy Young	1901	2.31	293.3	7.3	1.6	0.9	
Pete Alexander	1915	2.31	321	8.9	1.5	0.8	
Greg Maddux	1994	2.31	307.7	6.6	1	0.3	
Kevin Brown 	1996	2.38	265	5.2	0.8	0.4	
Christy Mathewson	1905	2.48	269	7.8	1.5	1.1	
Roger Clemens	2005	2.56	243	7.3	2.3	0.6	
Carl Lundgren	1907	2.93	175.3	5.6	5.1	0.6	
Mordecai Brown	1906	2.99	232	6.6	2	0.9	
Tim Keefe	1880	3.31	49	6.4	3.9	0.6	
Denny Driscoll	1882	3.59	135.3	3.3	2.3	1.1	
Jack Pfiester	1907	4.25	165	6.4	2.3	9	

Other Translated ERA's I missed:

 

Johan Santana 2004: 2.03

Pedro 2002: 2.20

Clemens 1998: 2.16

 

I could find many others but you get the idea on how good Pedro is.

 

Koufax last 4 years: 1.41, 1.68, 1.98, 1.55

Stat obsession is for steers and queers.

[TheKilo]

Just as long as that other team isn't the yankees of course.

 

 

Exactly. Same for you guys and the Sox, right?

[empirestrikesback26]

Exactly. Same for you guys and the Sox, right?

Well I can't speak for all yankee fans, but if Jeter signed with the red sox, I would probably cheer him still. Team uniform can't change what he's done for us, even it is the red sox.

[TheKilo]

Well I can't speak for all yankee fans, but if Jeter signed with the red sox, I would probably cheer him still. Team uniform can't change what he's done for us, even it is the red sox.

 

 

David Wells...?

[empirestrikesback26]

David Wells...?

Boo. He actually took shots at us on his way to the red sox.

[TheKilo]

Boo. He actually took shots at us on his way to the red sox.

 

 

Damon did too...bashing the organization, etc.

 

 

But I can see that. Wells sure likes his money.

[BoSox Rule]

Stat obsession is for steers and queers.

I'd take it easy if I were you.

[ksushi]

Just as long as that other team isn't the yankees of course.

 

Hey, man, you didn't catch me booing Damon and if Pedro went to the Yankees I would still love him for what he did here. I have a man crush on that wacko.

[jlcrss9]

Unlike johnny, the terms of Pedro's departure weren't that bitter. He get's a standing O.

[ImissPedro]

Anything short of an all out standing ovation for him is not enough, one of the greatest players the Red Sox will ever have, nuff said.

[Goalstopper]

i'd cheer him. we went to a team that hate the yankees as well. the only problem i have is he left the red sox on a bad note not the best circumstance.

 

Biggest regret in my life so far is not going to see pedro live when i just sat and played video games. boy was i stupid.

 

and also i never got to see him pitch in his prime partly because i wasn't a full red sox fan boy i wish nesn would show some classic game from him.

[Varitek33]

not only cheer him , give him a standing ovation

 

I would if I was at that game.

[throwslikegirl]

Just wondering, empirestrikesback26, why are you on here if you're a Yankee fan? II don't mean to cause trouble, but it seems to me as though that is your intention. I don't understand why you'd want to sit and chat with Sox fans all day except to get on our nerves, and frankly, that's not what this site is about, am I right?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Umm, you joined today. There are tons of Yankee fans here...

[monstah27]

again, there is no reason to boo someone who helped bring a title to town for the first time in 86 years. no way in hell.