The Jeter Isn't Clutch Thread

[Sox fan in Tex]

Jesus H. Christ, you're just setting yourself up with that statement, ARod2212. I'm actually not even going to be the one to put you into place on that comment. Any other Red Sox fan want to compare Papi in the clutch to anyone in the New York Yankees organization? No contest.

[ARod2212]

Jesus H. Christ, you're just setting yourself up with that statement, ARod2212. I'm actually not even going to be the one to put you into place on that comment. Any other Red Sox fan want to compare Papi in the clutch to anyone in the New York Yankees organization? No contest.

Sigh.

 

My point is EVEN DAVID ORTIZ f***s up in big spots.

 

Do I need to spell everything out to you simpletons?

[See Red]

Sigh.

 

My point is EVEN DAVID ORTIZ f***s up in big spots.

 

Do I need to spell everything out to you simpletons?

 

But does David Ortiz f*** up in every big spot?

[Mr Crunchy]

he had a bad whiff last nite

it happens

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Even if Ortiz bats .400 close and late...that's still failing 6 times out of ten.

 

And empire, to think that third inning hits are clutch, it really seems like you've adapted since A-Rod signed with the Yanks.

[empirestrikesback26]

Even if Ortiz bats .400 close and late...that's still failing 6 times out of ten.

 

And empire, to think that third inning hits are clutch, it really seems like you've adapted since A-Rod signed with the Yanks.

Clutch is what you make of it, coming through is coming through but where it gets shady is that I believe it's regardless of inning.

 

Speaking of clutch how about ortez caught with the bat on shoulders in a humungous spot where everybody in the world knows he's going to hit A) a 2 RBI single a 2-3 RBI double C) A grand slam. 0-5 against the yankees!? It really has been a rough start.

 

Jeter by the way with some clutch fielding, haha.

[Mr Crunchy]

anyone notice who made the last outs in nys sat and sunday games??

anyone else see papi go yard to end texas??

 

why anyone who follows this sport who would put arod jetsey and ortiz in the same company of ""clutchness"" must walk around with a dog a cane and ear plugs and get their information via michael""the ballwashing queen""kay

[The Monster is my Mom]

anyone notice who made the last outs in nys sat and sunday games??

anyone else see papi go yard to end texas??

 

 

nope, I don't think any of us saw it. who is papi?

[Optimist]

anyone notice who made the last outs in nys sat and sunday games??

anyone else see papi go yard to end texas??

 

why anyone who follows this sport who would put arod jetsey and ortiz in the same company of ""clutchness"" must walk around with a dog a cane and ear plugs and get their information via michael""the ballwashing queen""kay

 

Yeah, because what he did in two games, coming off an injury, is really an indication of him as a whole.

 

Closer and Late (2006):

 

Jeter: 12 - 28, .429 AVG

Ortiz: 6 - 29, .207 AVG

 

RISP (2006):

 

Jeter: 22 - 59, .373 AVG

Ortiz: 18 - 69, .261 AVG

 

Micheal Kay might be a ball washer, but it would appear you're more than happy to join him when a Red Sox player is the topic.

 

And, please, nobody holds A-Rod in the company of Ortiz and Jeter when it comes to clutchness.

[Mr Crunchy]

have you seen dereks #s after the 8th inning with the game on the line??

shall we revisit that article that had him at...what was it??

1-68

with risp behind or tied in the 8th inning or later??

c h o k e or clutch?

hows your math

i can find the article in about 2 seconds if you need a reminder

[Mr Crunchy]

we celebrate his eighthinning homer to beat the Royals earlier this month with tabloid headlines about clutchness even though, according to the Elias Sports Bureau, it was only the second time in Jeter's career that he had any kind of hit after the eighth inning to drive in the tying and winning runs.

 

twice in his career

my apologies

i said once

that kc team is fascinating

[Optimist]

I can remember, at least, one other time he has done that this year. Anyways, you can pick and choose and reject whatever stats you wish, but nobody who watches the Yankees could call Derek Jeter unclutch. Whether it's in the field, or with the bat, he consistently comes up big for this team, April to October (especially the latter.)

[rician blast]

I can remember, at least, one other time he has done that this year. Anyways, you can pick and choose and reject whatever stats you wish, but nobody who watches the Yankees could call Derek Jeter unclutch. Whether it's in the field, or with the bat, he consistently comes up big for this team, April to October (especially the latter.)

 

boy never expected such mileage outta this thread. I guiess it just shows the lengths that some Yankee fans will go to in order to attempt to dispute some pretty undisputable statistics.

 

The number are what they are...late and close this guy has consistently underachieved.

 

Oh wait...could it be I'm just not be watching the Yankees enough? nah.

[Optimist]

boy never expected such mileage outta this thread. I guiess it just shows the lengths that some Yankee fans will go to in order to attempt to dispute some pretty undisputable statistics.

 

Or the lengths some of you Red Sox fans will go to tear him down. Gosh, still bitter about Nomar? Or maybe .229 BA- Alex Gonzalez?

[Mr Crunchy]

i may be mistaken but i believe he led baseball in ending games last year with an out...

 

alex gonzales doesnt make 19,000,000.00 to go 2-68 with risp after 8 innings

he plays short stop like jetsey dreams of playing and didnt he get a ring recently in florida and ended a game with a walk off homerun against the 4-1 favored yankees??

 

he doesnt do visa commercials or wear the C on his uniform

he just shuts his mouth and plays baseball

 

as far as nomar goes??

please

we won the world series 3 months after dumping his ass

it was the greatest thing to happen to boston baseball in 86 years

i thought he retired in shame

who gives a f*** about nomar.

 

jetsey is a good ballplayer who happens to be put on a pedestal because he plays in nyc

its not his fault he doesnt have the leadership skills of paul oneill or the big hit propensity that guys like broscious or leyritz or bernie had

lets call spades spades for a change

jetsey is a limited range banjo hitter who fails consistantly with runners on base in the late innings,he runs well,he doesnt makes the routine play,can turn the dp with the best of them and will hit .300-.310 with 200 hits per year and 100 runs

[rician blast]

Or the lengths some of you Red Sox fans will go to tear him down. Gosh, still bitter about Nomar? Or maybe .229 BA- Alex Gonzalez?

 

Opt:

 

Tearing him down?

 

If you read through this thread you'll see what some of us have said about Jeter.

 

DONT GET ME WRONG

we'd love to have jetsey here as a shortstop

hes certainly better than alex gonzales....hes a solid ballplayer

hes good for the game,good for the yankees and good for ny

i'd rather see arod out there at bat than derek but neither 1 of them frighten boston

 

Its more a testament to the teams he has been a part of. We've said again and again we like Jeter, we respect him, and I wish he'd been in a Sox uni for the past 10 years...but the numbers clearly show he isn't as clutch as you are being lead to believe by the media.

 

 

I can't make it any more plain. He's a tremendous player, and great team-player...he is what he is, and we'd love to have had him in Boston.

 

How is this a case of tearing him down? We're giving credit where credit is due....however we're not giving praise where none is deserved..

 

The numbers simply don't lie, why is that so difficult for Yank fans to accept?

[Mr Crunchy]

if you dont have soap water and a bucket to scrub his balls like michael kay evidently you're tearing him down jim

 

dont you understand?

hes the best ball player ever not named arod

[rician blast]

if you dont have soap water and a bucket to scrub his balls like michael kay evidently you're tearing him down jim

 

dont you understand?

hes the best ball player ever not named arod

 

wanna hear something really funny sean?

 

I'm playing my kid in Slugfest on PS2 last night. He's the Sox, I'm the Yanks (he won't play if he has to be the Yanks). He's up 15-12 in the last inning. I have one last shot. I creep to 15-14 with the tieing run on and Jetes and Arod are due up.

 

Jetes grounds to second. ARod whiffs. Game ova.

 

Yeah I know I was at the controls but I was trying to win...almost too predictable.

 

Do ya think Sony built in to the game the "late and close" stats?

[a700hitter]

jetsey is a good ballplayer who happens to be put on a pedestal because he plays in nyc

He is worshiped as an icon. He is beyond criticism. His every action is cloaked with infallibility by Yankee fans. It's ridiculous, because he has never been the top player at his position-- rarely does he crack the top 3 in the AL at the SS position.

[Optimist]

he doesnt do visa commercials or wear the C on his uniform

 

Just for the record, Jeter doesn't wear a C on his uniform.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Just for the record, Jeter doesn't wear a C on his uniform.

Its kind of ironic he mentions the "C" on the uniform when Varitek wears a "C".

[Optimist]

Its kind of ironic he mentions the "C" on the uniform when Varitek wears a "C".

 

He probably needs the "C" with that .259 BA.

[schillingouttheks]

It's true. I think knowing he's been a Sox forever and that he's the captain is why not too many people are very frustrated with him. It is kind of annoying though that when he gets to the plate you think of a .259 hitting captain <_>

[Mr Crunchy]

hes a catcher

he calls the game,he sets the tone

dont believe me?

ask arod what happens when you disrespect a sox pitcher

 

is this how you retort about jetseys futile #s late in the game??

by calling out jason veritek?

do you realize your allstar catcher blocks the plate around the pitchers mound and is terrified of contact?

 

i already said its not jetseys fault he isnt a leader like paul oneill

[rician blast]

Just for the record, Jeter doesn't wear a C on his uniform.

 

true.

 

Varitek did not want to wear the C either...that's pretty well known. He felt like it could be construed in a negative fashion...he preferred to lead by example.

 

However his teammates suggested, then requested and then pretty much demanded he wear the C...because they wanted to show HIM how much they respected him as a teammate, a person and a leader.

 

In the land of superstars and egos in the Bronx ya just don't hear anyone going to bat for Jetesy like that.

 

Perhaps THAT is the true source of your ire?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

is this how you retort about jetseys futile #s late in the game??

by calling out jason veritek?

Not at all, you said Jeter wears a "C" on his jersey because I guess hes an egomaniac when he has never worn a "C". I just pointed out that Varitek wears a "C".

[Mr Crunchy]

is jeter the yankee captain??

if so he wears the C

its a figure of speech sonny

 

""wearing"" the C indicates youre the team captain

yaz was the sox captain for 16 years without wearing the C

jim rice didnt wear a C either

you dont need to physically wear one to be one

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

is jeter the yankee captain??

if so he wears the C

its a figure of speech sonny

 

""wearing"" the C indicates youre the team captain

yaz was the sox captain for 16 years without wearing the C

jim rice didnt wear a C either

you dont need to physically wear one to be one

 

he doesnt do visa commercials or wear the C on his uniform

he just shuts his mouth and plays baseball

 

I'm pretty sure you didnt mean it as a "figure of speech" but whatever. You made it sound like wearing a C is a bad thing.

[Mr Crunchy]

i should know my audience better

i dont know of any other bball player who wears a C on his uniform other than tek

it was a figure of speech

i apologize for the grammar

did you do a lot of umpiring as a kid??

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

did you do a lot of umpiring as a kid??