Schilling is BACK!!!

[redsoxrules]

I wouldnt be shocked if he had the same number of wins that he has after 3 games after 33 games

 

 

you must be talking about randy johnson

[Ray10]

Nice to see him return to his old self. Hope he can have the same kinda year as he did in 04 when the Sox won it all.

[TheRivernator]

just wanted to point out, but not start my own post. Did anyone know that Curt Schilling has thrown the most pitches in the major leagues this yr? For a 38 yr old, that is not a good thing....

[americantrotter]

Aside from his 133, that stat just means he hasnt gotten bombed yet. SOSH was debating pitcher abuse, and unless he's tremendously ahead of the pack it's no big deal. If I pich 150,75,150,75,150,60 I'd have okay pitch totals, but a sore arm. Schilling gets enough outs not to get slammed and he made one start go too long. He can handle it, he;'s a horse.

[a700hitter]

just wanted to point out, but not start my own post. Did anyone know that Curt Schilling has thrown the most pitches in the major leagues this yr? For a 38 yr old, that is not a good thing....

All it shows is that he has gone deep into games and he had a lot of quality starts. How's that a bad thing? It's not like he's been pitching on 3 days rest.

[seabeachfred]

Riverman, no, not a good thing to throw all those pitches, but he will get the number down and be back in good shape as the season goes along. For Curt, it is location, location, location, and being able to get his split finger fastball over. Then again, we both could have something to worry about. Randy Johnson hasn't exactly been a ball of fire so far while Mike Mussina has. I'll bet most Yankee fans expected the opposite. On our side we also are concerned about Matt Clement. The guy has dynamite stuff but for some reason he seems to find a way to be just mediocre. As far as our two teams are concerned, we have to stay tuned.

[SCM33]

just wanted to point out, but not start my own post. Did anyone know that Curt Schilling has thrown the most pitches in the major leagues this yr? For a 38 yr old, that is not a good thing....

 

Why not? He is always among the league leaders in pitches thrown and innings pitched. He is a horse who prides himself on pitching as many innings as possible rather than personal accomplishments such as wins. He has stated this many times. He gets paid to pitch innings, not get wins. The wins come because he pitches far into games and keeps his team in the game. His last couple of starts havent been so hot, but he is clearly throwing the ball better than last year. I am confident he will get a win every time he goes out, and Im confident he will pitch at least 7 innings every time he takes the mound. He is fine.

[SCM33]

It didnt go so well, but it is again clear he is throwing the ball alot better than last year. The pitches that were being hit, were not missing by much. He was hitting 93 and 94 on the gun so thats encouraging. Baltimore was fouling off some nasty pitches before doing damage, granted they are not very good hitters...but they hung in well tonight. My wrestling coach used to say, "a wins a win", we can only expect better from G38. If we can win throwing at not his highest level, we are going to be ok.

[schillingouttheks]

Location, location, location...

[YazYaz04]

Yea from the highlights I've seen he didn't look too sharp, but he does have that velocity. Look, he isn't going to be the 2001 diamondbacks schilling but if he can win 16-17 games and beckett can win 17-18 then that top of the rotation is set.

[TheRivernator]

It didnt go so well, but it is again clear he is throwing the ball alot better than last year. The pitches that were being hit, were not missing by much. He was hitting 93 and 94 on the gun so thats encouraging. Baltimore was fouling off some nasty pitches before doing damage, granted they are not very good hitters...but they hung in well tonight. My wrestling coach used to say, "a wins a win", we can only expect better from G38. If we can win throwing at not his highest level, we are going to be ok.

 

Well, it is a bad thing because the guy is a bullheaded idiot (you love that as a coach, and no this is not a detraction) and needs to be saved from himself. He is a 38 yr old pitcher returning from a serious injury that took him nearly 18 months to return from. Tito has to know his limitations. If the guy goes out and throws 116-120-125-130 pitches he will wear down. Last night, he never should have come out for the 6th. In the Guardians game, he never should have come out for the 7th. Tito seems to want him to get one more inning, one more out, one more anything when it is clear he is tiring. He should be handled with kid gloves, because he is not the young horse he once was....

[TheRivernator]

Yea from the highlights I've seen he didn't look too sharp, but he does have that velocity. Look, he isn't going to be the 2001 diamondbacks schilling but if he can win 16-17 games and beckett can win 17-18 then that top of the rotation is set.

 

Gammons was talking about how Schilling and Randy need to understand that they arent 30 anymore and that they need to adjust to the leage by using more deception. They wont throw 98-99-100 mph anymore. They can still hit 95, will likely sit in the 93 range and are ultimately hittable instead of being totally, blow away unhittable like they were in 2001. Schilling has shown a willingness to do this, but in key situations he still thinks he has the 98 mph heater in his arm. RJ has refused to adjust almost totally....

[MANNYHOF24]

I think Curt has to use his curve ball more, and less fastballs right down the middle. Rivernator is right he cant get away with that anymore

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I think last night was just one of those games....after watching Josh Beckett completely overpower the Orioles, Schilling probably thought he could do the same. Who would have though Brandon Fahey would put his bat on anything and knock it out of the park. I'm sure Schilling didn't think it would happen so he threw a dart middle-in and...well bye bye ball.

 

Other than that......you can't keep a lineup quiet forever.....you have to know Jay Gibbons is bound to make contact somewhere along with Hernandez. However, he kept Mora, Tejada, and Lopez quiet for the night so it wasn't all bad. The point is we won another close game and that is a great thing to see this year. Normally we would blow a team away then lose the series in close games. Our pitchers have done an excellent job this year of keeping the team in the ball game....thats all you can ask from them.

[TheRivernator]

well, thank your bullpen for that. Schilling did you no favors against a punchless lineup. Roberts is out, Newhan is out, Mora and Tejada are really the only O. Javy is horrible. Ramon Hernandez has come back to earth. Gibbons is a mistake hitter who is easily handled if you have any control. That lineup is a joke...

[TheKilo]

well, thank your bullpen for that. Schilling did you no favors against a punchless lineup. Roberts is out, Newhan is out, Mora and Tejada are really the only O. Javy is horrible. Ramon Hernandez has come back to earth. Gibbons is a mistake hitter who is easily handled if you have any control. That lineup is a joke...

 

 

Kinda like the Rangers pitching staff.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

well, thank your bullpen for that. Schilling did you no favors against a punchless lineup. Roberts is out, Newhan is out, Mora and Tejada are really the only O. Javy is horrible. Ramon Hernandez has come back to earth. Gibbons is a mistake hitter who is easily handled if you have any control. That lineup is a joke...

 

Javy Lopez is horrible???? I'm guessing you are short minded enough to only look at his stats this season. Javy Lopez is not a horrible hitter...and since when is Dave Newhan any decent?? Ramon Hernandez has come back to earth....batting .321 and being one of the better catchers in the league. Jay Gibbons is easily handled....god knows why the guy is in the majors....maybe because he hits 20+ HRs a season.

 

...this is still an AL East lineup....all of them are decent....you want to look at a bad lineup go look up Kansas City...that is a joke.

[mtbykr]

Gammons was talking about how Schilling and Randy need to understand that they arent 30 anymore and that they need to adjust to the leage by using more deception. They wont throw 98-99-100 mph anymore. They can still hit 95, will likely sit in the 93 range and are ultimately hittable instead of being totally, blow away unhittable like they were in 2001. Schilling has shown a willingness to do this, but in key situations he still thinks he has the 98 mph heater in his arm. RJ has refused to adjust almost totally....

 

 

Between the two I think shill has a better chance of pitching well. For a couple reasons: 1-because he is younger, 2- becuase he thinks through the batters more, i think he can adapt well. RJ just seems to be so stubborn, and he's lost his edge as people are not afraid of him anymore and that was a big plus for him throughout his career! With that said however i am not ready to stick a fork in him!

[mtbykr]

Just head part of an interview with Shill from last night where he said something to the effect of: My split was staying up, and i don't have that extra umph on my fastball anymore---and i need to adjust to that! So at least shill knows what he needs to do--let's hope he can pull it all together!

[TheRivernator]

Just head part of an interview with Shill from last night where he said something to the effect of: My split was staying up, and i don't have that extra umph on my fastball anymore---and i need to adjust to that! So at least shill knows what he needs to do--let's hope he can pull it all together!

 

easier said than done. It took Mike Mussina two horrible seasons (by his standards) to figure out what he needed to do. If you throw 98 and have a 85 mph splitter, then you have a change of speed. If you throw 92 and have an 85 mph splitter, you wont fool anyone. The key to aging gracefully is knowing when your fastball velocity is dropping and then you have to drop the speed of your off speed stuff accordingly....

[TheRivernator]

and both schill and RJ havent been doing that. Schill can still get his splitty near 85-88 range. RJ can still throw his slider at 89. But both now sit at 91-93 instead of 97-98. The hitters know how quick their hands have to be, they just have to adjust to movement....

[seabeachfred]

I wouldn't call it a panic, but, face it guys, both Red Sox and Yankee fans are worried about Schilling and Johnson. Curt did not look particularly sharp last night and needs to start changing speeds more often. An effective splitter that drops out of sight would also help. I don't know about Johnson because I am a Red Sox fan, but I would guess he has had a hard time making adjustments so far this year. I still maintain that whichever team gets the more effective pitching this year is the team that's going to win. I think it will be our team but it is no slam dunk. We need Curt, Josh, Tim and Matt to step up and carry the main load. A fifth starter would also help; I think a trade is a possibility for that item.

[TheRivernator]

I wouldn't call it a panic, but, face it guys, both Red Sox and Yankee fans are worried about Schilling and Johnson. Curt did not look particularly sharp last night and needs to start changing speeds more often. An effective splitter that drops out of sight would also help. I don't know about Johnson because I am a Red Sox fan, but I would guess he has had a hard time making adjustments so far this year. I still maintain that whichever team gets the more effective pitching this year is the team that's going to win. I think it will be our team but it is no slam dunk. We need Curt, Josh, Tim and Matt to step up and carry the main load. A fifth starter would also help; I think a trade is a possibility for that item.

 

Once it heats up, we'll se who is strongest. Old guys like the heat....

[MANNYHOF24]

I just watched Schillings 20th win game of 04 on Red Sox Classics, and Schillings Velocity is the same if not better now than it was then, however the Spiltter was much nastier and he could throw it for a strike. The big difference is not Velocity its Location, this is really the trouble Curt had last year as well, in september, he had decent Velocity but the Location was just not there