The Clemens Watch

[riverside sluggers]

I would like clemens here but the only thing that is troubling me is the fact that we might not be in first place when he makes his descisson.

 

ok but not being in 1st place doesnt stamp out playoff chances...

[a700hitter]

So many of these guys are a-holes in their personal lives. If we only rooted for the good guys, it would be a very quiet season for all of us. All that matters in the end is how they play the game. Bring Clemens to Boston.

[The Monster is my Mom]

No, because Barry is an ass and a cheater. Give me one instance when Clemens ahs ever cheated? Yeahhh, that's what I thought.

 

because throwing a bat at Piazza doesn't make him an ass.....

[ksushi]

... Why is everyone back to thinking the Red Sox are a bad team? One david wells fiasco, and one bad inning from Matt Clement and everyone is back on the blue jays band wagon.

[TheRivernator]

Clemens will use the yankees and the sox to raise the price, then he'll get a huge contract with tons of perks to stay at home....

[schillingouttheks]

He's not an ******* because he wants to win. He's an ******* because he really just cares about money, and is going to pit the Astros, Rangers, Yanks, and Sox against each other so he can make 20 mil for pitching half a season. I say the Sox should save their money instead of spending it on him.

 

Didn't Clemens say something about wanting to go into the HOF with a Yankee hat? I know it isn't his choice, but it just shows what he really thinks about the Sox. You and I both know that I am not the only Sox fan that doesn't want Clemens back, either.

I haven't read the whole thread, so if this is out of place, I apologize.

 

I agree with what Crespo's been saying in this thread. I don't see him as a traitor at all, and I would love to have him back on this team. But, as far as your quote goes, TMIMM, don't call Roger an ******* unless you've met him. Portraying someone through the TV and getting the wrong vibe from them is easy. I can say I've met Roger and experienced him in person a few times to know he's one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

[a700hitter]

Houston will not pony up the dough. Clemens cares less about home than he does about money. It's all about the money. Last year he made more than any pitcher in history.

[seabeachfred]

Clemens would give us a "Big Three" that would be unmatched anywhere in baseball and it would certainly give us a chance to go all the way. Of course, some tell our offense to start getting it together because I cannot understand this paltry lack of hitting. Loretta, Manny, Varitek, Youk and the gang are not hitting up to snuff and they need to get the screws turned on.

[schillingouttheks]

Houston will not pony up the dough. Clemens cares less about home than he does about money. It's all about the money. Last year he made more than any pitcher in history.

Well, if you can pitch at home, AND try to make the most amount of money that you could make out of pitching at home, why not?

[Teddyballgame10]

Clemens would give us a "Big Three" that would be unmatched anywhere in baseball and it would certainly give us a chance to go all the way. Of course, some tell our offense to start getting it together because I cannot understand this paltry lack of hitting. Loretta, Manny, Varitek, Youk and the gang are not hitting up to snuff and they need to get the screws turned on.

 

Thats dead on with the big 3 that wouldnt be matched. On the other hand i wouldnt include Youl and V-tek in a group that isnt producing. With cleamens our staff would be unmatched though

[26 to 6]

because throwing a bat at Piazza doesn't make him an ass.....

Come on man, we all know it was just reaction. He didnt seriously intend to throw the bat at him. lol

 

I agree with what Crespo's been saying in this thread. I don't see him as a traitor at all, and I would love to have him back on this team. But, as far as your quote goes, TMIMM, don't call Roger an ******* unless you've met him. Portraying someone through the TV and getting the wrong vibe from them is easy. I can say I've met Roger and experienced him in person a few times to know he's one of the nicest guys I've ever met.

cmon Zach, not your Roger stories again, you're gonna get me REAL jealous.

 

Houston will not pony up the dough. Clemens cares less about home than he does about money. It's all about the money. Last year he made more than any pitcher in history.

But the year before that he was the most underpaid player in the game.

[a700hitter]

Well, if you can pitch at home, AND try to make the most amount of money that you could make out of pitching at home, why not?

You ignored the first part of my post. Houston will no pony up the big dough.

[mosox]

I just heard Gordon Edes on WEEI's pregame show say that he believes Clemens will now come to Boston, because of the starts by Schilling and Beckett. It's also interesting that the Colorado paper on Sunday says by June Clemens' kids will be out of school which would free him up to pitch in Boston or NY.

[The Monster is my Mom]

I just heard Gordon Edes on WEEI's pregame show say that he believes Clemens will now come to Boston, because of the starts by Schilling and Beckett. It's also interesting that the Colorado paper on Sunday says by June Clemens' kids will be out of school which would free him up to pitch in Boston or NY.

 

because he won't have to bus them to school in the burnt orange Hummer?

[mtbykr]

I just heard Gordon Edes on WEEI's pregame show say that he believes Clemens will now come to Boston, because of the starts by Schilling and Beckett. It's also interesting that the Colorado paper on Sunday says by June Clemens' kids will be out of school which would free him up to pitch in Boston or NY.

 

 

Still real early and I think that he is between the sox and houston. Houston is the easier choice, but clemens also knows that boston SHOULD be his best chance to win--and it would be the biggest story of his career if they did!

[schillingouttheks]

Clemens is well remembered in New York. He's well remembered in Houston for leading them to their first world series last year. Even though he's remembered in Boston, there are still some sour ties with the fans (which I don't even understand why, really). If he came to Boston and won a world series here, he would be well remembered here forever and all sour ties are gone. I think Boston's leading the race in his mind.

 

Who gives a s*** about Toronto?

[seabeachfred]

Hey guys, I said it before and I'll say it again. Clemens on our team makes us the favorite to get to the World Series. Three top notch No. 1's in a rotation? Man, I'm drooling already. I only hope those rumors are right about him coming to the Red Sox. I wasn't a Red Sox fan when he pitched in Boston and fled to Toronto so I have none of this traitor nonsense coming out of my mouth. I do remember him as a Yankee, though, and that sticks in my craw a little----but would disappear in an instant if he donned a Red Sox uni.

[The Monster is my Mom]

Hey guys, I said it before and I'll say it again. Clemens on our team makes us the favorite to get to the World Series. Three top notch No. 1's in a rotation? Man, I'm drooling already. I only hope those rumors are right about him coming to the Red Sox. I wasn't a Red Sox fan when he pitched in Boston and fled to Toronto so I have none of thistraitor nonsense coming out of my mouth. I do remember him as a Yankee, though, and that sticks in my craw a little----but would disappear in an instant if he donned a Red Sox uni.

 

Are saying that it is nonsense to call Clemens a traitor? Just because you weren't a fan back then doesn't mean its not a worthwhile discussion about his traitordom. I agree the Sox would have the upper hand to win the WS with Clemens, but I think we have a pretty darn good chance without him. It's not woth desacrating (sp) the Red Sox uni to have him back it it.

 

If a player of Clemens calibar has played for 4 teams in his career, he is a mercenary looking for the biggest payday.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Ok, I want to make an official Clemens watch thread. I think this rotation has a slot open in it and if we fill that spot, the way we play defense, the bullpen we have, and the bats we swing I think filling that spot with a Roger Clemens makes our Red Sox the team to beat in the AL. David Wells, in my opinion, is all done. His control is shaky, his knees are shaky, and I hate watching him pitch because he is so morbidly obese. Thats besides the point. I just read this on ESPN insider:

 

 

 

Now, if you look at the Sox right now, and compare them to the other two teams in the hunt, which team would benefit most from another starter? Think about it, I'm not asking which team needs one more, I'm asking which team would be more over the top with a starter like Clemens. The answer is really hitting you in the face. I'll give you a clue, for the rivernators out there, they don't wear pinstripes, nothing on their uniform is blue, and they play in fenway. With Schilling and Beckett being legit aces, Clement and Wakefield would round out a very solid rotation if there were a legit # 3. Granted, either Clement or Wakefield are perfectly capable of filling that slot, an ace like Clemens in the middle of that rotation really would be interesting. Clement will be nothing short of solid this season, I truly believe that, and I think this rotation as is, could be one of the best if we got a fifth starter in there ( I'm rooting for papelbon to be stretched out in the event that we don't get clemens)

 

Regardless of whether you like him or not, Clemens is an ace caliber pitcher and putting him in this rotation is s***-your-pants scary.

 

 

I agree with you whole heartedly...the only thing that scares me a little bit is Clemen's history of choking haaaaaard in the post season. Even so, his performance in the regular season makes me willing to take a chance on him. The guy's the greatest pitcher of our time, no doubt about it. I think the only thing we'd have to take into consideration is check out his conditioning. I've heard a ton of baseball players say that it doesn't take long at all for them to fall out of 'baseball shape'...I'd want to make sure that he's ready, willing, and able, and in solid, sound physical shape before we go schilling (haha) out all the money that he's going to demand.

 

Does anyone think that Rog would have a problem being a number 3? Would ego come into play here at all?

[mtbykr]

I agree with you whole heartedly...the only thing that scares me a little bit is Clemen's history of choking haaaaaard in the post season. Even so, his performance in the regular season makes me willing to take a chance on him. The guy's the greatest pitcher of our time, no doubt about it. I think the only thing we'd have to take into consideration is check out his conditioning. I've heard a ton of baseball players say that it doesn't take long at all for them to fall out of 'baseball shape'...I'd want to make sure that he's ready, willing, and able, and in solid, sound physical shape before we go schilling (haha) out all the money that he's going to demand.

 

Does anyone think that Rog would have a problem being a number 3? Would ego come into play here at all?

 

He's better not have a problem, or he's not coming here. I would thing that with his "come to a new team at the all-star break" plan---he would have figured the other team already has been set in their rotation so he would just plug in where needed! Let's hope so anyway, although i am fine without us getting him!

[mtbykr]

Are saying that it is nonsense to call Clemens a traitor? Just because you weren't a fan back then doesn't mean its not a worthwhile discussion about his traitordom. I agree the Sox would have the upper hand to win the WS with Clemens, but I think we have a pretty darn good chance without him. It's not woth desacrating (sp) the Red Sox uni to have him back it it.

 

If a player of Clemens calibar has played for 4 teams in his career, he is a mercenary looking for the biggest payday.

 

 

I don't consider him a traitor. It's not like he left giving the sox the finger for more money----if anyone is to blame it's duquette! You do remember the "he's over the hill" crack? With that said when he played for the yanks, i wanted him to lose every game, and nothing would have made me happier than to have his carreer end (which we thought at the time) after a loss to the sox in the playoffs. So in a nutshell, i despise what he did when he went to the yanks---but can't fault him for leaving the sox in the first place, he wasn't wanted here!

[The Monster is my Mom]

Maybe we can get Wade Boggs to play 3rd base for us while we are at it!

[seabeachfred]

Monster, I am saying it is nonsense for ME to consider him a traitor. I was not a Red Sox fan then so it doesn't resonate with ME. My gripe with Clemens was that he was a Yankee and that DOES bug the hell out of me. That feeling would disappear very quickly if he rejoined our club. By the way, though, I think his leaving had a lot to do with Dan Douquette who I believe was a virus for the Red Sox. He alienated everyone and the proof is in the pudding. The guy never got another GM's job, did he? He showed Roger no respect at all, thought he was over the hill and made little effort to keep him.

[mtbykr]

Monster, I am saying it is nonsense for ME to consider him a traitor. I was not a Red Sox fan then so it doesn't resonate with ME. My gripe with Clemens was that he was a Yankee and that DOES bug the hell out of me. That feeling would disappear very quickly if he rejoined our club. By the way, though, I think his leaving had a lot to do with Dan Douquette who I believe was a virus for the Red Sox. He alienated everyone and the proof is in the pudding. The guy never got another GM's job, did he? He showed Roger no respect at all, thought he was over the hill and made little effort to keep him.

 

 

Excellant points. I don't consider him a traitor either (and i have been a sox fan all my life--and grew up watching clemens pitch for the sox) As i have mentioned before: I hate the fact that he went to NY, but if Duquette hadn't forced him out of boston that would not have happened. I understand why he went to NY (with the added bonus of sticking it in duquette's face). I hate the fact that he played in NY--but i don't blame him for leaving boston! i would love to have him finish his career with us, but i would be fine without him as well!

[seabeachfred]

MTB, it looks to me like Monster Man still holds some anger towards Clemens and if I had been rooting for the Sox as long as he claims he has I would certainly be inclined to hold some harsh feelings as well. The facts are that Douquette blew it badly what with his over the hill crap. Besides, Clemens did not go straight to the Yankees; he wernt to Toronto first (two Cy Young years I believe, or at least one)and then on to New York. I think he is thinking of finishing here; would put a cap on a great career and bury some long festering feuds between Bosox and fans and the Rocket.

[26 to 6]

If a player of Clemens calibar has played for 4 teams in his career, he is a mercenary looking for the biggest payday.

No it makes him somebody who was treated like s*** by his original employer, left (understandable) went someplace, asked for a transfer, retired, and decided to work close to home. Not a big deal.

[seabeachfred]

I'm actually agreeing with a Yankee fan? Well yes, you are right. Then again Dan Douquette was a lousy person from the get-go, a real low lifer who showed no respect to anyone but demanded a boatload of love from everyone else. The Red Sox ownership that took over made their first great move when they showed him the door. I still think, however, that Roger Clemens finishing his career in a Red Sox uniform would cap his career, bring him back to the city of his glory and add a final happy chapter to the whole story. Also, it would probably put us in the World Series.

[TheRivernator]

I'm actually agreeing with a Yankee fan? Well yes, you are right. Then again Dan Douquette was a lousy person from the get-go, a real low lifer who showed no respect to anyone but demanded a boatload of love from everyone else. The Red Sox ownership that took over made their first great move when they showed him the door. I still think, however, that Roger Clemens finishing his career in a Red Sox uniform would cap his career, bring him back to the city of his glory and add a final happy chapter to the whole story. Also, it would probably put us in the World Series.

 

so a red sox finish would cap his career, not his 2 WS wins, 320 wins and 4000K's? Even though Clemens wont say it, you have to think that he doesnt want a redux in boston. He was the heart and soul of a pitching staff in boston, then he was shown the door and told he was too old. He went on to have his best yrs after he left and sox fans have hated him for it, maybe they were upset at management, maybe they were envious, who knows. The only thing is, the fans bought into the boston spin machine and began to hate their former beloved ace. Now, everyone wants him back. Is there some irony there? Maybe. The only thing he could do is screw things up if he returns to Boston, and to NY for that matter as well. It seems like everyone has kinda made peace with Clemens in their mind, in both Boston and NY and if he goes to either team, it will rip open the wounds again. Mind you, NY fans still love Clemens and most harbor no ill will to him, and I think he appreciates that enough to not go to Boston. At the same time, I think he loves being home and is at peace with the way people feel about him in NE, so he wont return to NY either. He'll be in Texas in June, mark my words.....

[Mr Crunchy]

The facts are that Douquette blew it badly what with his over the hill crap

 

the fact is clement told the world he was moving closer to his family in texas and to a contender

 

instead he took the 8/32M deal and went to a last place team in fukin canada??

you dont need to be a geography major to understand the irony here

 

this is the roger clemens i know.

the guy who will pitch his balls off 5months a year then have his trick hammy act up in game 1 of the world series....

we gave clemens the highest contract in baseball

5/25M and he won 39 games in those 5 years

do the math

 

if the duke signs clemens he dont get pedro the following year

 

ive seen them both pitch their entire careers

clemens couldnt carry peteys jock when they were both healthy

 

i havent seen a bigger fraud in my lifetime than roger clemens

if i need to win a game in april against tampa theres no one i want out there except clem

come october hes useless,completely useless

ask the astros

[The Monster is my Mom]

The facts are that Douquette blew it badly what with his over the hill crap

 

the fact is clement told the world he was moving closer to his family in texas and to a contender

 

instead he took the 8/32M deal and went to a last place team in fukin canada??

you dont need to be a geography major to understand the irony here

 

this is the roger clemens i know.

the guy who will pitch his balls off 5months a year then have his trick hammy act up in game 1 of the world series....

we gave clemens the highest contract in baseball

5/25M and he won 39 games in those 5 years

do the math

 

if the duke signs clemens he dont get pedro the following year

 

ive seen them both pitch their entire careers

clemens couldnt carry peteys jock when they were both healthy

 

i havent seen a bigger fraud in my lifetime than roger clemens

if i need to win a game in april against tampa theres no one i want out there except clem

come october hes useless,completely useless

ask the astros

 

A little incoherent, but at least someone who finally agrees with me!