Marlins Fire Sale Continues with Willis?

[CrespoBlows]

And your argument is flawed. SOME players have value. (Delgado, Lo Duca, Castillo, Beckett, etc.) While others, the Marlins were so desperate to get rid off, that they paired them in other deals to get rid of them.

 

If Lowell had all the value that you say he had, why didn't the Marlins trade him to someone else to get more prospects? Do you actually think the Red Sox wanted Lowell at the time?

[CrespoBlows]

Re-read the post you quoted.

 

I was refering to Mike Lowell, you were refering to everyone else.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Anyone have the lines from the DTrain's performance in the WS 2 years ago...or the playoffs leading up? I'm curious about his big game capability, because that's somewhere Beckett has come up HUUUUUUUUUUGE previously. I can't remember how Dontrelle did for the life of me. But I'd deal Lester for DTrain, even if we did have to throw something else in. Dontrelle is the real deal. He's a character too, I love characters. If I could go have beers with any two major leaguers, I'd have to say him and Papi would top the list. No one could say that duo wouldn't be a good time.

[jsinger121]

0-1 with an 8.53 ERA in 2 playoff starts 10BB's 10K's in alittle more than 12 innings pitched.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Oooooh....yikes.....that doesn't make me feel too comfortable....

 

I still think the DTrain would be worth the risk.

 

I think Lester would be a given in the deal, but I think the Marlins would probably ask for something else in return, also. Who do you think they'd send? I can't see giving another of the Sox big pitching prospects, but I wouldn't object to throwing something else in.

[schillingouttheks]

Delcarmen, maybe Pedroia or Moss too.

[26 to 6]

Delcarmen, maybe Pedroia or Moss too.

If thats what it takes for you guys then is it completely out of the realm of possibility to think that Clippard, Mitch Jones, and Shelley Duncan with some cash thrown into the mix could get it done for us?

[jsinger121]

If thats what it takes for you guys then is it completely out of the real of possibility to think that Clippard, Mitch Jones, and Shelley Duncan with some cash thrown into the mix could get it done for us?

 

I say it would take Lester, Pedroia, Edgar Martinez, and one other to get him.

[The Monster is my Mom]

0-1 with an 8.53 ERA in 2 playoff starts 10BB's 10K's in alittle more than 12 innings pitched.

 

Wasn't that Dontrelle's rookie year?

[HeadOfSoxNation]

If thats what it takes for you guys then is it completely out of the real of possibility to think that Clippard, Mitch Jones, and Shelley Duncan with some cash thrown into the mix could get it done for us?

 

Yea, but do the Yankees really have the cash to throw in? Hahahahahaha.

 

Has Big Stein really been this quiet about your lackluster start to the season? You needed late inning heroics to beat the freaking Royals today. I'd put my money on the Waltar Mathou coached Bad News Bears against the Royals. Am I just looking in the wrong spot, or has he not issued a statement?

[jsinger121]

Yes but he wanted to know what he did in the playoffs. I also would like to think hes much better suited for the playoffs now than then

[The Monster is my Mom]

Yes but he wanted to know what he did in the playoffs. I also would like to think hes much better suited for the playoffs now than then

 

Right, I understood that. I was just confirming that 2003 was Dontrelle's rookie year. I couldn't quite remember. Thanks!

[ACL BoSox]

I don't think we need him at this point, and for what it would cost I don't know if its worth doing but I wouldn't complain either. Here's two links investigating a possibility that Dontrelle gets reunited with Beckett.

 

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5488220

 

From the Cubs, the Marlins could ask for a package starting with outfielder Felix Pie. From the Braves, they could demand catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia. From the Red Sox, they could require left-hander Jon Lester.

 

Those names — and those teams — would only be the beginning.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

 

Rosenthal mentions Felix Pie, Jarrod Saltalamacchia, and Jon Lester as possible starting points for their respective teams. An offer starting with Lester and Dustin Pedroia would have to get the Marlins listening. An acquisition of Willis would give the team three former Marlins in the rotation.

 

Interesting...

[The Monster is my Mom]

I think there is a thread on this already.

[26 to 6]

Yea, but do the Yankees really have the cash to throw in? Hahahahahaha.

 

Has Big Stein really been this quiet about your lackluster start to the season? You needed late inning heroics to beat the freaking Royals today. I'd put my money on the Waltar Mathou coached Bad News Bears against the Royals. Am I just looking in the wrong spot, or has he not issued a statement?

No statements have been issued. George is smart enough to know that 3-4 starts arent that big a deal. You guys on the other hand dont realize that.

[yeszir]

Threads merged

[ORS]

If thats what it takes for you guys then is it completely out of the realm of possibility to think that Clippard, Mitch Jones, and Shelley Duncan with some cash thrown into the mix could get it done for us?

Clippard isn't as good a prospect as Lester is. Sure, he has some potential and this is the year where the rubber meets the road since he will be the same age Lester was in the Eastern League last year. That said, the bar is set high since Lester was the Pitcher of the Year in that league. Unfortunately, TC is off to a pretty rocky start: 4 IP, 5 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 2 K

 

Given their age, Duncan a Jones are both post-prospects.

 

Lester is rated higher than Hughes, so the central piece of your Realm of Possibility is going to have to begin with Hughes. There is no way the Marlins are taking anyone's 2nd or 3rd rated pitching prospect in return for a 24 y/0 that just finished 2nd in the NL Cy Young voting.

[jsinger121]

Clippard isn't as good a prospect as Lester is. Sure, he has some potential and this is the year where the rubber meets the road since he will be the same age Lester was in the Eastern League last year. That said, the bar is set high since Lester was the Pitcher of the Year in that league. Unfortunately, TC is off to a pretty rocky start: 4 IP, 5 H, 5 ER, 2 BB, 2 K

 

Given their age, Duncan a Jones are both post-prospects.

 

Lester is rated higher than Hughes, so the central piece of your Realm of Possibility is going to have to begin with Hughes. There is no way the Marlins are taking anyone's 2nd or 3rd rated pitching prospect in return for a 24 y/0 that just finished 2nd in the NL Cy Young voting.

 

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

This thread appears to have gotten semi-rediculous.

 

I see NO WAY the Yankees could get Dontelle Willis. Eliminate everyone with any kind of money in there contract. That limits the team to trading Robinson Cano who alone is not worth Dontrelle Willis. Eliminate the farm system cause no matter what you say...the Yankees cannot compete with other farm systems.

 

As for the Red Sox....first thing that would need to happen is David Wells would have to move on. That would open up a spot in the rotation. However the Red Sox would need to decide if that spot would be better filled by Jonathan Papelbon which also depends on the development of Hansen and the comeback of Keith Foulke.

 

The Red Sox have the depth to make the move by trading Jon Lester and say Jacoby Ellsbury (with another player). Then we need to determine if THAT is worth it. There are still scouts who claim Jon Lester can be better than Papelbon...if that is the case why the hell would we go through all the trouble to aquire Willis?? What if we already have the next Dontrelle Willis on our team??

 

....the hell with it....this Red Sox team is solid on the major league level and the farm system.

[Beckett95]

id say pedroia and lester could definetely get us Willis, which hopefully the red sox dont even consider. I dont see him going to the Red Sox and definetely not the Yankees.

[kreinbihl34]

Why don't we just swing Fluke to a couple of teams and see if we could get a couple of specs and maybe swinf fat ass and get 1 and trade the three we get for D-Train. I know this sounds like alot but a couple of teams (texas, SF) needs pitching real bad.

[ARod2212]

f*** Willis. Over-rated.

 

I'll take my chances with Hughes on the Yankee staff of the future.

[26 to 6]

f*** Willis. Over-rated.

 

I'll take my chances with Hughes on the Yankee staff of the future.

I agree. I'd rather keep Hughes.

 

..but still cant say i'd mind having Dontrelle.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Even though Hughes will probably be great, wouldn't you rather have someone that's already established?

[26 to 6]

Not if it means giving up the potentially great pitcher along with other potentially great players.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

What other potentially great players do you have? Duncan?

[jsinger121]

What other potentially great players do you have? Duncan?

 

And even he has holes in his swing.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

What other potentially great players do you have? Duncan?

Jose Tabeta............take it easy on Duncan. I keep saying the Yankees are rushing him so he struggled last year in a league he shouldnt have been in. The Yankee minor league system is getting to the point in which its becoming underrated. They have alot of useful parts in the lower part of the minors. In about a a year or two when guys like Hughes, Tabeta, Austin Jackson and CO reach AA or higher they will be a top 10-15 system. Of course thats if they arent traded away.

[MC Hammer]

f*** Willis. Over-rated.

 

I'll take my chances with Hughes on the Yankee staff of the future.

A 24 year old, who had a 2.63 ERA last year with more than 3 K's for every BB, is overrated? Yet you believe Shawn Chacon will get it done this year ... homer.

[elsrbueno]

Why don't we just swing Fluke to a couple of teams and see if we could get a couple of specs and maybe swinf fat ass and get 1 and trade the three we get for D-Train. I know this sounds like alot but a couple of teams (texas, SF) needs pitching real bad.

 

I assume by "Fluke" you mean Foulke, in which case trading Wells and Foulke for Willis would be a no brainer. If that were possible, it'd already be done. I just don't think Foulke and Wells have enough value to be traded for enough young talent to bring back Willis. It would have to involve Lester+ in which case I'd rather not make the deal.

 

In all fairness, I don't think Willis is overrated at all. One can make the argument that he pitched half his games in Pro Player (or whatever it's called these days, I think Dolphins) Stadium and that boosts his stats, but the was 11-4 with a 2.56 ERA on the road. His 3:1 strikeout to walk ratio is pretty good, he pitched over 200 innings last season and won 20 games FOR A BAD TEAM. I know I am one of the people who diminish the value of the win stat because it's got more to do with run support and defense than a pitchers' ability, but that's saying something. Willis was the ace on a staff that sported Beckett and Burnett last season, two guys who had huge offseason pricetags. He was just about as good after the All Star Break as he was before it, which tells me he didn't get worn down pitching 200+ innings. After his first season I was screaming "Fluke!" like a lot of other people, but he recovered well from a relatively poor sophomore season and has really (IMO) emerged as one of the best young pitchers in baseball. He deserves the credit he receives.