Marlins Fire Sale Continues with Willis?

[CrespoBlows]

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/5488220

 

Purely hypothetical, but let's say he comes available.

 

Who do you offer in an attempt to acquire him?

 

A hint: Start with Jon Lester.

[Cityofchampions33]

If I'm going to deal Lester for anyone, WIllis would be at the top of the list.

[Sizzlin22]

There are about two peopl ein th ebigs I would deal Lester for one of the is Felix Hernandez the other is Dontrelle Willis. Only because they are young and dealing a young prospect for soemone who is young and proven is always ok.

[Beckett95]

id deal lester for----jake peavy, dontrelle, felix hernandez, harden, c zambrano,

and maybe for---matt cain, liriano, verlander, duke, bonderman, kazmir

[Cityofchampions33]

i wouldnt trade him for other unprovens, only for the top line of who u got, but even so, itd take a bit more to get willis. God save us if the Yanks do

[Beckett95]

i think if you throw in lester and maybe a david murphy/brandon moss, theyd be willing to think about it.

[Rdsxmbnt]

id deal lester for----jake peavy, dontrelle, felix hernandez, harden, c zambrano,

and maybe for---matt cain, liriano, verlander, duke, bonderman, kazmir

 

How bout Santana?

 

Anyway, Willis would be awesome to have but theres not a chance the Red Sox could land him for just Lester, it would require another significant prospect such as Hansen, which in that case you probaly say no. Any combo that doesnt include two of Lester/Papelbon/Hansen it would probaly be a nice deal, but im guessing it would take two of the top 3 to get a deal done.

[ORS]

Dontrelle's good and all, but if the Marlins are willing to deal him, then you have to think they'd be willing to deal Cabrera some time after. If it's my call, I let the little fish pass and save my bait for the monster.

[26 to 6]

Dontrelle's good and all, but if the Marlins are willing to deal him, then you have to think they'd be willing to deal Cabrera some time after. If it's my call, I let the little fish pass and save my bait for the monster.

I'd try and get both

[god is a redsox FAN]

i wouldnt trade him for other unprovens, only for the top line of who u got, but even so, itd take a bit more to get willis. God save us if the Yanks do

wouldn't that be the s*** though? Think about it, D-Train vs. Beckett in the NLCS at game 7. Old teammates both throwing the heat. I think that would be awsome

[26 to 6]

wouldn't that be the s*** though? Think about it, D-Train vs. Beckett in the NLCS at game 7. Old teammates both throwing the heat. I think that would be awsome

ALCS?

 

Willis all the way.

[CrespoBlows]

Keep dreaming.

[schillingouttheks]

ALCS?

 

Willis all the way.

Pft, Beckett vs. the Yankees in the playoffs? See 2003. Beckett all the way.

 

Besides, the Yanks won't get him because the Marlins will require young, top of the line prospects and the Yankees just don't have that. Unless a 3-way deal happens, I don't see how the Yanks would have what it takes to get Willis from the re-building Marlins.

[jsinger121]

Pft, Beckett vs. the Yankees in the playoffs? See 2003. Beckett all the way.

 

Besides, the Yanks won't get him because the Marlins will require young, top of the line prospects and the Yankees just don't have that. Unless a 3-way deal happens, I don't see how the Yanks would have what it takes to get Willis from the re-building Marlins.

 

It would start with both Eric Duncan and Philip Hughes and probably more.

[26 to 6]

It would start with both Eric Duncan and Philip Hughes and probably more.

We could just maybe send over a Tyler Clippard, some lower level guys, and some cash. That might get it done. Especially if it only takes you guys Lester and Moss to do the deal.

[ORS]

We could just maybe send over a Tyler Clippard, some lower level guys, and some cash. That might get it done. Especially if it only takes you guys Lester and Moss to do the deal.

HAHAH!!!

 

Clippard in a deal for Wilis. Those pinstriped glasses you wear never cease to amuse me. Clippard. Unbelievable.

[jsinger121]

We could just maybe send over a Tyler Clippard, some lower level guys, and some cash. That might get it done. Especially if it only takes you guys Lester and Moss to do the deal.

 

Higher doubt Lester and Moss. Moss has fallen a bit as a prospect but it would start at lester and a bunch more. It would likely be Lester, Pedroia, and maybe some one like Delcarmen and cash. For the Yanks Hughes, Duncan, and maybe Tabata and some cash.

[riverside sluggers]

HAHAH!!!

 

Clippard in a deal for Wilis. Those pinstriped glasses you wear never cease to amuse me. Clippard. Unbelievable.

 

Is Clippard even ranked as high as Lester is on prospect lists?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Is Clippard even ranked as high as Lester is on prospect lists?

 

Lester's like 22nd. Clippard wasn't even sniffing the top 100.

[jsinger121]

Clippard is a bum......The Yanks have 1 player ranked in the BA top 50 and thats Philip Hughes. It took the Red Sox 2 players in the BA top 50 along with two other promising arms to get Beckett and they also had to take Lowell's contract. I can just imagine what it will take to get Willis. The Yankees don't have what it takes to get him unless the Marlins just get rid of him for the hell of it.

[elsrbueno]

Clippard is a bum......The Yanks have 1 player ranked in the BA top 50 and thats Philip Hughes. It took the Red Sox 2 players in the BA top 50 along with two other promising arms to get Beckett and they also had to take Lowell's contract. I can just imagine what it will take to get Willis. The Yankees don't have what it takes to get him unless the Marlins just get rid of him for the hell of it.

 

In which case there would be 29 other teams also making offers for.

 

The Only advantage the Yankees have as far as acquiring Willis is concerned is that if they stumble, Steinbrenner may FORCE Cashman to deal whatever it takes to get a top of the line pitcher. The Red Sox have more restraint than that. The Yankees simply don't have the talent required to pull him in.

 

That having been said, if there's a bidding war for Willis' services, the Dodgers and Angels are deeper in talent, and the Diamondbacks could put together a pretty decent package of prospects as well. I seriously doubt the Red Sox would get something done here.

 

I wouldn't be shocked if the A's went after him after 2006. They might lose Zito, have a pretty decent farm system, and Billy's got the balls to pull the trigger on a massive deal.

[CrespoBlows]

How about this:

 

Red Sox get:

 

Dontrelle Wills

 

Marlins get:

 

Jon Lester

Manny Delcarmen

Brandon Moss

 

It sort of makes sense. The Marlins get a potential ace, a potential domiant set-up man, and a potential 20+ HR outfielder. Problem is, that someone like the Angels could probably outbid this.

[ORS]

How about this:

 

Red Sox get:

 

Dontrelle Wills

 

Marlins get:

 

Jon Lester

Manny Delcarmen

Brandon Moss

 

It sort of makes sense. The Marlins get a potential ace, a potential domiant set-up man, and a potential 20+ HR outfielder. Problem is, that someone like the Angels could probably outbid this.

I don't think the Angels matchup with the Marlins as well as we do. They are deep in position prospects, but their pitching prospects aren't as ours, and the Marlins seem pretty set with position players.

 

CIF: Miggy, Jacobs

MIF: Uggla, Ramirez

COF: Hermida

C/OF: Willingham

 

I think the Marlins need pitching and/or a 2B or CF. I like Stern, but he's really starting to make a name for himself and they might want to consider cashing that check in while the value is high. I think a Lester, Delcarmen, and Stern deal might get the job done*.

 

*Assuming the Marlins want to deal him. I think they'll actually be good enough to think they have a shot in the next couple of years, and that will make them want to keep Dontrelle while he's still relatively inexpensive.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I think Josh Beckett is a better pitcher than Dontrelle Willis and we got him for our #1 position player and #3 pitching prospect. The age difference between the two isn't large so I guess I could see this happening. We would have to find another place for David Wells since we would clearly not have enough room in the rotation.

 

I don't know if any of this has a chance but I guess anything is possible.

 

A team who should deffinitly talk to the Marlins is the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. If they want to make some kind of noise they should look into a deal. They would certainly sell a lot more tickets and I know they have the depth in there system.

[26 to 6]

I think Josh Beckett is a better pitcher than Dontrelle Willis and we got him for our #1 position player and #3 pitching prospect. The age difference between the two isn't large so I guess I could see this happening. We would have to find another place for David Wells since we would clearly not have enough room in the rotation.

 

I don't know if any of this has a chance but I guess anything is possible.

 

A team who should deffinitly talk to the Marlins is the Tampa Bay Devil Rays. If they want to make some kind of noise they should look into a deal. They would certainly sell a lot more tickets and I know they have the depth in there system.

A) I disagree that Beckett is better than Willis.

B ) Yes, it took all of that to get Beckett, but also take into account that in addition to Beckett, Mike Lowell, an All Star Gold Glove third baseman, and Mota, one of the top setup men in the game.

[jsinger121]

A) I disagree that Beckett is better than Willis.

B ) Yes, it took all of that to get Beckett, but also take into account that in addition to Beckett, Mike Lowell, an All Star Gold Glove third baseman, and Mota, one of the top setup men in the game.

 

The Red Sox were forced to take Lowell who was brutal last year and Mota was only thrown in after the red sox raised questions about beckett. He is better than Willis but the price was high given the uncertainty of the players in the deal.

[26 to 6]

For the Yanks Hughes, Duncan, and maybe Tabata and some cash.

Yeah right, it wouldnt take that much.

 

 

 

....as for the whole Clippard issue; What you idiots fail to realize is that our talent is in the LOWER LEVELS. Its fact that the top lower level prospects dont get ranked among the top upper level prospects. Clippard is one of the most well regarded pitching prospects in Single A. As are a lot of our Single A and Double A prospects.

 

HAHAH!!!

 

Clippard in a deal for Wilis. Those pinstriped glasses you wear never cease to amuse me. Clippard. Unbelievable.

Read my post, Clippard, some (one or two) other lower level prospects, and some $$$. We could even send over a vet and pay most of the salary. I think we would be able to get that done. You people need to realize that there is a lot that goes into trades. How about the fact that Dontrelle has said that he would like to play in New York one day (Quite Frankly with Stephen A. Smith), the close relationship between people in the Marlins organization and the Yankees organization, and the cash factor. You arent in the Marlins' front office, and until you are I dont really care what you say teams would trade people for. Perhaps the MArlins have these evil people known as scouts. And perhaps they have some of these scouts in Charleston. And lets, just for kicks, say that they see things they like in some of our Charleston pitchers. Pros that they like, and cons that they think they can fix within their own organoization. Maybe the Marlins like Clippard BETTER than Lester. Despite what you guys may think, the Red Sox' view towards Yankee prospects isnt the view of the other 28 teams out there. Maybe the Marlins love what they see in Sean Henn, and think that the low pressure level of South Florida will help him blossom into a great pitcher. Maybe they call Cashman and say

 

"Hey, how about you send us T.C. (Tyler Clippard), Henn, and maybe $3 or $4 Million and we can send you 'Trelle. He's gonna be hitting arbitration this offseason and we dont think we can pay him, however we know you guys can and we would have no problems exchanging him for two pitchers that we like a lot who are going to make nothing the next 5-6 years. Whaddya say? Joe (Girardi) has talked to Dontrelle about New York and it seems to really appeal to him. He would like to play there, we like your guys, and it works out financially. What do you think?"

 

For all we know Loria and the other guys down in Miami could be having a lovefest with the likes of Tyler Clippard and Sean Henn. Maybe they just absolutely love Quezada or DeSalvo. Bottom line is WE DONT KNOW. So the comments you guys make are ridiculous. There have been trades that seemed more outragious than the one I proposed, and that happened to work out perfectly for both teams in the long run. s***, for all we know the Marlins could be in love with the number 5 starter down in Lowell, pitching for the Spinners and are interedtes in making a deal for him involving Willis. Maybe, just maybe (and I know this is going to hurt for you guys to see, because I know how you guys are of the belief that the Red Sox, in every aspect of Baseball as a sport, are superior than everybody else) the Marlins HATE Lester. Bottom line is we can speculate, and present our arguements, but we dont make the trades and pull the trigger on the big decisions.

 

 

 

...dont get me wrong, back down here on earth after my post, Tyler Clippard being the centerpiece of a deal for Willis is as likely as the Knicks winning the NBA Finals this year. Impossible. But we dont know who teams like and what they would want. We just dont.

[CrespoBlows]

Yeah right, it wouldnt take that much.

 

 

 

....as for the whole Clippard issue; What you idiots fail to realize is that our talent is in the LOWER LEVELS. Its fact that the top lower level prospects dont get ranked among the top upper level prospects. Clippard is one of the most well regarded pitching prospects in Single A. As are a lot of our Single A and Double A prospects.

 

 

Read my post, Clippard, some (one or two) other lower level prospects, and some $$$. We could even send over a vet and pay most of the salary. I think we would be able to get that done. You people need to realize that there is a lot that goes into trades. How about the fact that Dontrelle has said that he would like to play in New York one day (Quite Frankly with Stephen A. Smith), the close relationship between people in the Marlins organization and the Yankees organization, and the cash factor. You arent in the Marlins' front office, and until you are I dont really care what you say teams would trade people for. Perhaps the MArlins have these evil people known as scouts. And perhaps they have some of these scouts in Charleston. And lets, just for kicks, say that they see things they like in some of our Charleston pitchers. Pros that they like, and cons that they think they can fix within their own organoization. Maybe the Marlins like Clippard BETTER than Lester. Despite what you guys may think, the Red Sox' view towards Yankee prospects isnt the view of the other 28 teams out there. Maybe the Marlins love what they see in Sean Henn, and think that the low pressure level of South Florida will help him blossom into a great pitcher. Maybe they call Cashman and say

 

"Hey, how about you send us T.C. (Tyler Clippard), Henn, and maybe $3 or $4 Million and we can send you 'Trelle. He's gonna be hitting arbitration this offseason and we dont think we can pay him, however we know you guys can and we would have no problems exchanging him for two pitchers that we like a lot who are going to make nothing the next 5-6 years. Whaddya say? Joe (Girardi) has talked to Dontrelle about New York and it seems to really appeal to him. He would like to play there, we like your guys, and it works out financially. What do you think?"

 

For all we know Loria and the other guys down in Miami could be having a lovefest with the likes of Tyler Clippard and Sean Henn. Maybe they just absolutely love Quezada or DeSalvo. Bottom line is WE DONT KNOW. So the comments you guys make are ridiculous. There have been trades that seemed more outragious than the one I proposed, and that happened to work out perfectly for both teams in the long run. s***, for all we know the Marlins could be in love with the number 5 starter down in Lowell, pitching for the Spinners and are interedtes in making a deal for him involving Willis. Maybe, just maybe (and I know this is going to hurt for you guys to see, because I know how you guys are of the belief that the Red Sox, in every aspect of Baseball as a sport, are superior than everybody else) the Marlins HATE Lester. Bottom line is we can speculate, and present our arguements, but we dont make the trades and pull the trigger on the big decisions.

 

 

 

...dont get me wrong, back down here on earth after my post, Tyler Clippard being the centerpiece of a deal for Willis is as likely as the Knicks winning the NBA Finals this year. Impossible. But we dont know who teams like and what they would want. We just dont.

 

Despite the length of your post, it's still makes little sense.

 

You assume, that the Marlins baseball people would think logically. To discredit the Red Sox prospects on the notion that we don't know what the Marlins prefer is a really grasping at straws. It's clever, but extremely flawed. You'd hope the Marlins scouts would say,

 

"Hmm, that Lester guy has great control, throws 95 mph, has two good secondary pitches, GB/FB ratio is over 1, and is left-handed. But since I'm in denial about that thing called the Yankee farm system, I'll take Clippard, who was an average fastball, and OK secondary pitches."

 

The facts are simple, just about every baseball scout/sabermetric has the Red Sox farm system ranging from 8-15. They obviously think that the Red Sox could get a deal done. It's foolish to disregard one's common sense. Which is apparently obvious, of what you're trying to do.

[jsinger121]

Trust me.....If Tyler Clippard is the headliner of a deal for Willis it should be blocked immediately. He not a blue chip prospect by any means and not highly thought of through baseball. To get Willis it will require at least 2 top prospects in an organization plus at another 1-2 decent prospects as well. He may be on the trading block but the ransom will be a high one and one the Yankees don't have the chips to anti.

[ORS]

Yeah right, it wouldnt take that much.

 

....as for the whole Clippard issue; What you idiots fail to realize is that our talent is in the LOWER LEVELS. Its fact that the top lower level prospects dont get ranked among the top upper level prospects. Clippard is one of the most well regarded pitching prospects in Single A. As are a lot of our Single A and Double A prospects.

Beckett came with baggage (the Lowell salary dump) and question marks (injury, home/road splits), and it took 2 top-50 BA prospects (something the Yankees don't have) to get him here. There is no baggage to be dumped, the Marlins payroll is ~$15M now, and there are relatively no questions about D-Train, so they will be dealing from a position of extreme strength. That is what you fail to realize, and it's clearly obvious, so I'd refrain from tossing the idiot name around since it seems to apply to you more than anyone.

 

You people need to realize that there is a lot that goes into trades.How about the fact that Dontrelle has said that he would like to play in New York one day (Quite Frankly with Stephen A. Smith), the close relationship between people in the Marlins organization and the Yankees organization, and the cash factor. You arent in the Marlins' front office, and until you are I dont really care what you say teams would trade people for. Perhaps the MArlins have these evil people known as scouts. And perhaps they have some of these scouts in Charleston. And lets, just for kicks, say that they see things they like in some of our Charleston pitchers. Pros that they like, and cons that they think they can fix within their own organoization. Maybe the Marlins like Clippard BETTER than Lester. Despite what you guys may think, the Red Sox' view towards Yankee prospects isnt the view of the other 28 teams out there. Maybe the Marlins love what they see in Sean Henn, and think that the low pressure level of South Florida will help him blossom into a great pitcher. Maybe they call Cashman and say

 

"Hey, how about you send us T.C. (Tyler Clippard), Henn, and maybe $3 or $4 Million and we can send you 'Trelle. He's gonna be hitting arbitration this offseason and we dont think we can pay him, however we know you guys can and we would have no problems exchanging him for two pitchers that we like a lot who are going to make nothing the next 5-6 years. Whaddya say? Joe (Girardi) has talked to Dontrelle about New York and it seems to really appeal to him. He would like to play there, we like your guys, and it works out financially. What do you think?"

 

For all we know Loria and the other guys down in Miami could be having a lovefest with the likes of Tyler Clippard and Sean Henn. Maybe they just absolutely love Quezada or DeSalvo. Bottom line is WE DONT KNOW. So the comments you guys make are ridiculous. There have been trades that seemed more outragious than the one I proposed, and that happened to work out perfectly for both teams in the long run. s***, for all we know the Marlins could be in love with the number 5 starter down in Lowell, pitching for the Spinners and are interedtes in making a deal for him involving Willis. Maybe, just maybe (and I know this is going to hurt for you guys to see, because I know how you guys are of the belief that the Red Sox, in every aspect of Baseball as a sport, are superior than everybody else) the Marlins HATE Lester. Bottom line is we can speculate, and present our arguements, but we dont make the trades and pull the trigger on the big decisions.

 

 

 

...dont get me wrong, back down here on earth after my post, Tyler Clippard being the centerpiece of a deal for Willis is as likely as the Knicks winning the NBA Finals this year. Impossible. But we dont know who teams like and what they would want. We just dont.

 

What a complete load of fantastical horseshit.

 

We need to realize what goes into trades? Funny, I thought is exactly what we did by breaking down the factors of the Beckett trade, but I guess that isn't as enlightened as your trip down fantasy lane.......Maybe this guy really likes this, you never know?

 

Dontrelle wants to go to NY? Tough titties. Pre-FA trades involve getting the best value for the team possible. The only time requested destinations happen is when the player has 10-5 rights or a NTC. It doesn't matter where Dontrelle wants to pitch. Those are the facts. To include them as a factor just shows how completely off base you are.

 

Maybe, just maybe, the Marlins HATE Lester? You couldn't be more wrong. He was the first pitcher they asked for in the Beckett trade. But, don't let something silly like what's reported get in the way on your trip to hypothetical land.

 

Please, respond again. I love how you keep inching your way toward complete irrelevance on this board.