Coco's Debut

[Sizzlin22]

Anyone who thinks the Red Sox front office screwed up handling Damon and that there was any possibility of re-signing him is crazy.

 

Scott Boras is his agent which, unless the made an obscenely large offer, gaurantees that he goes out on the market to test it, as almost all of Boras' clients do.

 

After that the Yankees contact him with thier INSANELY large offer, and Johny jsut can't refuse, Johnny was gone as soon as the season ended.

[Cityofchampions33]

Johnny really showed how much money talks, even when you already are rich. Also, everyone seems to forget he never told the Sox about the Yanks final offer and just left to go to the Yanks. I hated him for that, but he also promised us that he'd never become a Pinstripe

[Sizzlin22]

For the ammount of money and years he got, how can you possily blame him.

[a700hitter]

Scott Boras is his agent which, unless the made an obscenely large offer, gaurantees that he goes out on the market to test it, as almost all of Boras' clients do.

Scott Boras was Varitek's agent also. If handled the right way by the Boston FO, the Yankee offer may not have made it to the table, or at the very least the Yankees would have been forced to go for a 5th year.

[jsinger121]

Scott Boras was Varitek's agent also. If handled the right way by the Boston FO, the Yankee offer may not have made it to the table, or at the very least the Yankees would have been forced to go for a 5th year.

 

I disagree......Boras was taking Damon to free agency no matter what. With Varitek there was not a huge market out there or a team like New York to sign him. The Yankees had a hole in centerfield and he got more money than the Red Sox would have paid. Even if the Red Sox had bumped their offer to 4/44 he was probably going to go. Boras client's most always go for the most money.

[Cityofchampions33]

For the ammount of money and years he got, how can you possily blame him.

 

It's totally different. From our perspective, if someone offered us three million more per year then what we make now, we take that without hesitation. For him, who is already rich, is almost like getting 20 extra dollars from Grandma from your birthday.

[mtbykr]

Johnny really showed how much money talks, even when you already are rich. Also, everyone seems to forget he never told the Sox about the Yanks final offer and just left to go to the Yanks. I hated him for that, but he also promised us that he'd never become a Pinstripe

 

 

 

Not to let the facts get in the way of your hatred; but every report i read (including an interview with JD) said that when the yankers made their offer---they gave him 4 hours to accept it. Boras called the sox FO and told them that another team had offered him this much,,,,the FO wouldn't return his calls. Then JD tried calling them to talk to someone and they wouldn't talk to him or return his calls. Then the sox FO calls Boras, but it's about another one of his clients! At that point JD assumes (as anyone would) that the sox have no intention of resigning him--so he takes the best offer that's on the table. Later on, it turns out that the sox FO (lucky in particular) thought that it was a ploy by Boras and he was "calling their bluff"----------------nice call lucky:rolleyes:

 

Theo's plan was to offer JD the sox max of 4/44 at the winter meetings, and then if JD declined it--he would move on to other things. That way JD knew what they were offering and it was up to him---and also they had time to make other moves if neccesary! However in typical fashion, lucky's negotiating skills screwed the pooch again! Thanks for the memories JD, but it's Coco time!

[ORS]

Scott Boras was Varitek's agent also. If handled the right way by the Boston FO, the Yankee offer may not have made it to the table, or at the very least the Yankees would have been forced to go for a 5th year.

Varitek signed on December 24; Damon signed on December 21. I don't see how that means the Yankee offer never hits the table had they proceeded like they did with Varitek, and I don't think the Boston FO matches or exceeds the Yankee offer.

[riverside sluggers]

Damon is just like a broken-record, he's talking to reporters even more now about the contract talks. Would you let it go already? He's really being a whiner by now.

[jsinger121]

He talked again while being interviewed for Team USA saying he was disrespected.

[Cityofchampions33]

Boras called the sox FO and told them that another team had offered

 

He called regarding a so-called 6 year deal that was offered presumeabley by the orioles, but nothing about the Yankees. Also he never named the team, so how do you know he isn't bluffing to get JD more money? it's what an agent is supposed to do.

[Cityofchampions33]

Here's what Johnny had to say about if he thinks he'll get boo'd:

"I'm going to hear from some fans and there are other fans who are very educated who have an idea of how things went down and how the Red Sox flat out disrespected me,"

I guess a majority of the attendance will be uneducated then.

[schillingouttheks]

Johnny Damon is uneducated.

 

Whatever, he'll get what he deserves, and he knows it too.

[riverside sluggers]

Maybe he can get some earplus from Raffy

 

Seriously, he shouldnt be surprised that there will be booing. A much loved Red Sox who ends up joining the Yankees, pretty much seals a deal right there to be booed

 

My Prediction:

He will sever all ties he had with RSN, the morning after his first game back at Fenway Park. Talking to media after the game & for probably so much more time after, he will blast Boston fans for "dis-repecting him".

 

Then he will put out a crappy "Im sorry" ad in the Boston Globe, but that will be 3 months after his homecoming.

[Optimist]

Boras client's most always go for the most money.

 

Most players go for the most money, regardless of their agent.

 

Would you let it go already?

 

Black meet kettle.

 

I mean, Johnny is obviously not the only one who can't 'let go' of this. Just look at how this thread, which was (I imagine, given the title) was supposed to be about Coco Crisp, couldn't go more than one post without becoming all about the guy all of you have, supposedly, moved on from.

[Varitek33]

It's totally different. From our perspective, if someone offered us three million more per year then what we make now, we take that without hesitation. For him, who is already rich, is almost like getting 20 extra dollars from Grandma from your birthday.

 

indeed:thumbsup:

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Not really...think about it proportionally....take Average Joe who makes $50,000...a 30% increase there would make it $65,000.

 

Now take the athlete who gets jumped all over for taking $13 million over $10 million...that's still a 30% increase.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Adding to Coco's debut he went 3-3 today against Baltimore with a stolen base. Doing well so far.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Adding to Coco's debut he went 3-3 today against Baltimore with a stolen base. Doing well so far.

 

Yeah, except average joe isn't already a multimillionare.

[empirestrikesback26]

He's an above average player. If he wasn't as fast as he is, he'd just another run of the mill player.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

Yeah, except average joe isn't already a multimillionare.

 

That's true, it doesn't matter though. Say I make 75,000 a year...it's not loads of money, but it's a good living. Does someone making 12,000 or whatever have any kind of right to tell me that I shouldn't go to a different job where I can make 80,000 or 85,000? I don't think so.

 

Don't get me wrong, I think most athletes are greedy people. And sometimes, it really irritates me how important money is when it comes to making decisions in professional sports...but I also think it's unfair to criticize when most of us never have been, and never will be, in a position with that kind of money.

 

We can say how we think we'd act, but weather we WOULD actually act that way is entirely up in the air. Without the exact situation, there's no way of saying for sure.

[ksushi]

He's an above average player. If he wasn't as fast as he is, he'd just another run of the mill player.

 

Not true at all, hes not actually very fast. People think he is because hes relatively small but Crisp doesn't have above average speed. He has good instincts on the bases, but his speed isn't anything to rave about. Hes a smart player and a hustle player. No sense knocking him just because he isn't on your team.

[jsinger121]

Not true at all, hes not actually very fast. People think he is because hes relatively small but Crisp doesn't have above average speed. He has good instincts on the bases, but his speed isn't anything to rave about. Hes a smart player and a hustle player. No sense knocking him just because he isn't on your team.

 

You got Coco mixed up. He is a fast runner but has terrible instincts on the bases which is why he doesn't get alot of stolen bases.

[He Hate Me]

You got Coco mixed up. He is a fast runner but has terrible instincts on the bases which is why he doesn't get alot of stolen bases.

 

Reminds me of Bernie when he first started. fast as hell but dumb as a brick when it came to baserunning. But then again, his career went pretty well for us. Coco would be lucky to put up Bernie's numbers.

 

Hmmm, I'm too lazy to do the research, but just how does Coco's first FULL year compare to Bernie's first?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

You got Coco mixed up. He is a fast runner but has terrible instincts on the bases which is why he doesn't get alot of stolen bases.

 

I was thinking the exact same thing. He has speed but he stuggles on getting a jump. Hopefully the Red Sox can work with him on that. Technically he is the fastest player in our lineup.

[ORS]

First full season:

 

Player     Age     BA/OBP/SLG     HR     SB/SBA

Bernie     24     .268/.333/.400   12     9/18
Coco       24     .297/.344/.446   15     20/33

 

Prior to their age-24 years, both Coco and Bernie played in two seasons where they played in less than 100 games. Coincidentally, they both played in 139 games their first year starting.

 

EDIT: I'll be as giddy as a schoolgirl if Coco can do what Bernie did from age 26-33.

[He Hate Me]

First full season:

 

Player     Age     BA/OBP/SLG     HR     SB/SBA

Bernie     24     .268/.333/.400   12     9/18
Coco       24     .297/.344/.446   15     20/33

 

Prior to their age-24 years, both Coco and Bernie played in two seasons where they played in less than 100 games. Coincidentally, they both played in 139 games their first year starting.

 

EDIT: I'll be as giddy as a schoolgirl if Coco can do what Bernie did from age 26-33.

 

That's not bad at all. I had Coco on my squad last year. There were periods where he went off, followed by games where he had no hits, but thats what you expect form young guys. I think he's a real good player, and should he avoid a sophmore slump this season, could be a fixture in Boston for years to come. Well, that is until he comes up for Free Agency

[HeadOfSoxNation]

First full season:

 

Player     Age     BA/OBP/SLG     HR     SB/SBA

Bernie     24     .268/.333/.400   12     9/18
Coco       24     .297/.344/.446   15     20/33

 

Prior to their age-24 years, both Coco and Bernie played in two seasons where they played in less than 100 games. Coincidentally, they both played in 139 games their first year starting.

 

I'll be content if Coco puts up the same numbers as he did from when he was 24 throught his tenure with the Sox. It's so hard not to think about what he can possibly do with proper tuning though...

[jsinger121]

That's not bad at all. I had Coco on my squad last year. There were periods where he went off, followed by games where he had no hits, but thats what you expect form young guys. I think he's a real good player, and should he avoid a sophmore slump this season, could be a fixture in Boston for years to come. Well, that is until he comes up for Free Agency

 

This is going to be Coco's third full season in 2006. He also had stints in the majors in 2003and 2002.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

This is going to be Coco's third full season in 2006. He also had stints in the majors in 2003and 2002.

This kid is going to be great long after Damon isn't playing.