Hello Reggie Bush! Welcome to Houston!

[ORS]

Turned out the Chargers didn't need Phillip Rivers either, so there goes a wasted pick because they most likely won't get a first rounder in return. Yes, that trade has worked out for both teams. But, Reggie Bush is substantially better than Eli was coming out of college. I just don't see the logic in passing on this kind of talent.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

The Sanders comparisons, at least in terms of being able to run w/o a great line, are more than fair IMO. Bush is the only player I've seen coming out of college in the last 16 years (Barry came out after '89, right?) that reminds me of him. A back with that kind of ellusiveness can run w/o a line.

 

ARod2212 is right. Regardless of the Davis situation, you can't pass up an opportunity to take a player that has his potential to impact the game.

What are we basing the comparison on? Sanders played at Oaklahoma State which wasnt a great team. Bush is playing with what might be the greatest college football team of all time BEHIND a GREAT offensive line currently at USC. You guys do relize that USC has a great offensive line right? Linert hasnt been touched in 3 years.

[YanksHater213]

Am I the only one who hopes Bush is a flop?

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Turned out the Chargers didn't need Phillip Rivers either, so there goes a wasted pick because they most likely won't get a first rounder in return. Yes, that trade has worked out for both teams. But, Reggie Bush is substantially better than Eli was coming out of college. I just don't see the logic in passing on this kind of talent.

They could easily trade Rivers to a team like the Jets for a 2nd rounder which is gold. Plus Brees has a bad arm injury so its looking like that might need him after all.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Am I the only one who hopes Bush is a flop?

I kinda also. I hate the hype that surrounds him and USC.

[See Red]

Davis has been a good player without an O-Line too -- he could be one of the best in the league if he had an O-Line! Domanick Davis rushed for over 4 yards per carry last season with a dreadful O-Line. A player like Bush is great, but why take him when you've got a great young RB already? Why take the risk of Reggie Bush being a bust? Why not boost your O-Line because I don't care if you have Jesus Christ himself at RB, if you can't keep your QB off his back.

 

As for Barry Sanders, football players are faster than they were in Barry Sanders' day. The gap between how fast Reggie is and how fast everyone else is isn't the same as when Barry played. I don't think Barry Sanders would be effective because of how athletic players are when they're coming out now.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Davis has been a good player without an O-Line too -- he could be one of the best in the league if he had an O-Line! Domanick Davis rushed for over 4 yards per carry last season with a dreadful O-Line. A player like Bush is great, but why take him when you've got a great young RB already? Why take the risk of Reggie Bush being a bust? Why not boost your O-Line because I don't care if you have Jesus Christ himself at RB, if you can't keep your QB off his back.

 

As for Barry Sanders, football players are faster than they were in Barry Sanders' day. The gap between how fast Reggie is and how fast everyone else is isn't the same as when Barry played. I don't think Barry Sanders would be effective because of how athletic players are when they're coming out now.

I agree 100%. Its a different NFL. Its funny, the Texans have holes the size of creaters everywhere BUT RB and QB. For them to waste a pick on an RB when you already have one AND when theres a MASSIVE market out there for that pick IMO would be stupid.

[empirestrikesback26]

They already have davis. They really don't need Bush. 49ers on the other hand....

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What are we basing the comparison on? Sanders played at Oaklahoma State which wasnt a great team. Bush is playing with what might be the greatest college football team of all time BEHIND a GREAT offensive line currently at USC. You guys do relize that USC has a great offensive line right? Linert hasnt been touched in 3 years.

Did you watch Sanders in college? I did. Bush is the only back I've seen since him to have a similar combination of ellusiveness, quickness, speed, and power. No, I don't think he is as good as Barry (344 att. 2600+ yds 39 TD - in '88, that's sick!), but he does remind me of him. He scores from all over the field, even when the run block has broken down. He turns should have been losses into scores.

 

As far as that OK State team goes, they didn't have much of a defense, but they racked up the points, and it wasn't just Barry Sanders. Hart Lee Dykes, the all-time leading receiver for OK State and first round pick of the Patriots in the 1989 draft, was a very good college receiver and deep threat. They had a good O-Line, and were a top-20 team that year, finishing #12 in the polls. Their only two losses were to higher ranked Nebraska and Oklahoma, perenial Big-8 powerhouses in the '80s.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Did you watch Sanders in college? I did. Bush is the only back I've seen since him to have a similar combination of ellusiveness, quickness, speed, and power. No, I don't think he is as good as Barry (344 att. 2600+ yds 39 TD - in '88, that's sick!), but he does remind me of him. He scores from all over the field, even when the run block has broken down. He turns should have been losses into scores.

 

As far as that OK State team goes, they didn't have much of a defense, but they racked up the points, and it wasn't just Barry Sanders. Hart Lee Dykes, the all-time leading receiver for OK State and first round pick of the Patriots in the 1989 draft, was a very good college receiver and deep threat. They had a good O-Line, and were a top-20 team that year, finishing #12 in the polls. Their only two losses were to higher ranked Nebraska and Oklahoma, perenial Big-8 powerhouses in the '80s.

Are they similar runners? sure but it doesnt mean he can run without an offensive line. Again USC is one of the greatest teams of all time. I dont think you can say that Bush can do it without an offesive line when hes played with nothing but a great offensive line. Theres no proof, just speculation. Even if they get him it doesnt translate into wins on the field. They still wont be able to protect Carr. Why tie up 50 mill (In a league with a salery cap) in one player when you already have a very good player there. Use that 50 mill on multiple players. Again I use the Hershal Walker trade as a point of refrence. The Vikings gave up there draft class and handed the Cowboys their dynsaty all because of that trade.

[ORS]

Are they similar runners? sure but it doesnt mean he can run without an offensive line. Again USC is one of the greatest teams of all time. I dont think you can say that Bush can do it without an offesive line when hes played with nothing but a great offensive line. Theres no proof, just speculation. Even if they get him it doesnt translate into wins on the field. They still wont be able to protect Carr. Why tie up 50 mill (In a league with a salery cap) in one player when you already have a very good player there. Use that 50 mill on multiple players. Again I use the Hershal Walker trade as a point of refrence. The Vikings gave up there draft class and handed the Cowboys their dynsaty all because of that trade.

And everyone got all the wiser, which is why nobody has offered that much since, even when more hyped players have come and gone. Should the Texans shop the spot around? Absolutely. But given teams reluctance to be on the losing end of the next Vikings/Cowboys-type trade episode, I don't think he'll land any king's ransom in picks. What would I take, if I'm the Texan's GM? Nothing short of 3-first round picks, 2 is typical (same year pick, next year pick), and Bush isn't your typical talent.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

And everyone got all the wiser, which is why nobody has offered that much since, even when more hyped players have come and gone. Should the Texans shop the spot around? Absolutely. But given teams reluctance to be on the losing end of the next Vikings/Cowboys-type trade episode, I don't think he'll land any king's ransom in picks. What would I take, if I'm the Texan's GM? Nothing short of 3-first round picks, 2 is typical (same year pick, next year pick), and Bush isn't your typical talent.

Theres an idiot born everyday. I could easily see a team like the Jets way overpay to get him to NY (Just so you know I'm not a Jet fan). Just look at Mike Ditka who traded his entire draft class also to get Ricky Williams. So it has been done since the Vikings and Cowboys. Plus RB's have a short shelf life. You can find a very good RB (The Texans happen to have one already) The Texans have so many needs it just doesnt make much sense to tie up 50 mill in a position thats filled already when you have a s*** load of needs and your under a salery cap.

[Soxfan1]

I would trade the number one pick to anyone except whoever has the number 2 pick. They are really set with Davis and Carr but they need a better line.

[riverside sluggers]

The Texans already have a good running back as it is, but I do think the Jets could be a viable trading partner if they draft Bush.

 

Texans- Donnie Abraham

Jets- Domanick Davis

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

The Texans already have a good running back as it is, but I do think the Jets could be a viable trading partner if they draft Bush.

 

Texans- Donnie Abraham

Jets- Domanick Davis

Donnie Abraham or do you mean John Abraham? I think Donnie retired.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

The Texans already have a good running back as it is, but I do think the Jets could be a viable trading partner if they draft Bush.

 

Texans- Donnie Abraham

Jets- Domanick Davis

Donnie Abraham or do you mean John Abraham? I think Donnie retired.

[riverside sluggers]

yeah i got the two mixed up

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As for Barry Sanders, football players are faster than they were in Barry Sanders' day. The gap between how fast Reggie is and how fast everyone else is isn't the same as when Barry played. I don't think Barry Sanders would be effective because of how athletic players are when they're coming out now.

Are you kidding me? It's only been 7 years, we aren't talking about a different era. Besides, Sanders was never the fastest player on the field, he just didn't need to slow down to change direction.

[See Red]

Are you kidding me? It's only been 7 years, we aren't talking about a different era. Besides, Sanders was never the fastest player on the field, he just didn't need to slow down to change direction.

 

Even then, certain positions are still faster today. Positions have been revolutionized in that time -- Tight End and LB are among them as the more athletic guys are starting to take over the positions.

 

There's a big difference between having no O-Line in the NFL, and having the best O-Line in the Nation in a conference in which defense is consistently non-existant.

 

The Texans have far more important issues to deal with or else they'll be drafting in the top 5 for the next 3 years, looking to improve their O-Line. Football games are won in the trenches -- that's common knowledge.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

yeah i got the two mixed up

I still wouldnt do that trade if I'm the Jets. A good passrusher like Abraham is harder to find then an RB.

[ORS]

Even then, certain positions are still faster today. Positions have been revolutionized in that time -- Tight End and LB are among them as the more athletic guys are starting to take over the positions.

Shannon Sharpe, Derrek Thomas, and a bevy of others say, "Hi".

[See Red]

Fine examples, but do you think guys like Thomas compare to guys who are relatively undersized and fast as hell such as Cato June or Ian Gold? There's more in the league than there was 7 years ago, that's for sure. Derrick Thomas had over 20 pounds on both those guys I mentioned. If it was so easy in todays NFL, why is Dante Hall limited to around 40 offensive touches per season?

 

Even a lot of people that are high on Reggie Bush don't think he's capable of being a feature back.

[ORS]

Fine examples, but do you think guys like Thomas compare to guys who are relatively undersized and fast as hell such as Cato June or Ian Gold? There's more in the league than there was 7 years ago, that's for sure. Derrick Thomas had over 20 pounds on both those guys I mentioned. If it was so easy in todays NFL, why is Dante Hall limited to around 40 offensive touches per season?

 

Even a lot of people that are high on Reggie Bush don't think he's capable of being a feature back.

I don't believe I need to explain this, but here goes. Dante Hall only gets 40 touches because he couldn't run out of a wet paper sack. He's only good in the open field, hence the ST specialist usage. Sanders, and Bush for that matter, are excellent in the open field, but can/could break tackles and use leg drive to move tacklers forward.

 

It does make sense for them to try and get more picks because they have a lot of holes, but the package needs to be right to consider it, IMO.

[riverside sluggers]

I still wouldnt do that trade if I'm the Jets. A good passrusher like Abraham is harder to find then an RB.

 

 

yeah but its widely known that abraham is on the trading block since Abraham is going to want to command a big pay raise and the Jets dont want to do deal with that from him.

[ARod2212]

Jets won't make a stupid trade for Bush, believe me. They have too many holes to fill.

[riverside sluggers]

in my post i said it would be a trade of domanick davis (not Bush) for Abraham

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'm behind in this thread but for Reggie Bush being a Texan....I say go for it.

 

Having your top three as David Carr, Reggie Bush, and Andre Johnson is good. You are talking about some serious speed. The problem with Dominick Davis is he doesn't scare the other team. They don't stack the line on the guy which is why he is semi successful. He would be fantastic as a third down back. He could also split more carries with Bush who is not a 25+ ball carrier.

 

The offensive line obviously needs help but with more play makers that will make the opposing defense have to think rather than simply rush David Carr. I still think the biggest issue with the Texans is there play calling. On both sides of the ball the team looks lost which is in due part to the coach. Removing Capers was a very smart move because we have seen how far he can bring this team. Time to bring in a real offensive coach to help Carr make smart decisions and use his ability to the full amount. Surround him with speed and this team could be lethal. On paper they have more talent than a lot of teams.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

Besides, how much playoff success did the Lions have with Barry Sanders? A good running game only does so much to win a Championship.

 

 

last i checked you need a competent if not good QB & receivers to go along with a great runningback (Sanders). sorry but scott mitchell and erik kramer don't count.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

Theres an idiot born everyday. I could easily see a team like the Jets way overpay to get him to NY (Just so you know I'm not a Jet fan). Just look at Mike Ditka who traded his entire draft class also to get Ricky Williams. So it has been done since the Vikings and Cowboys. Plus RB's have a short shelf life. You can find a very good RB (The Texans happen to have one already) The Texans have so many needs it just doesnt make much sense to tie up 50 mill in a position thats filled already when you have a s*** load of needs and your under a salery cap.

 

Logically it makes sense to trade the pick to fill in their other holes on both sides of the ball, but that being said, the Jets are the last team to step up and pay anything for Bush. First of all, they still have Martin (who may be on the down side of career) and they are notoriously cheap passing on more expensive options in the past like trading for Rivers when he was available at the trade deadline. If any team is desperate enough to grab Bush, I still think (and pray) its the niners...especially since they dropped another draft slot after losing the coin flip w/the raiders. I predict the saints will draft leinart...especially since aaron brooks is done in new orleans.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Logically it makes sense to trade the pick to fill in their other holes on both sides of the ball, but that being said, the Jets are the last team to step up and pay anything for Bush. First of all, they still have Martin (who may be on the down side of career) and they are notoriously cheap passing on more expensive options in the past like trading for Rivers when he was available at the trade deadline. If any team is desperate enough to grab Bush, I still think (and pray) its the niners...especially since they dropped another draft slot after losing the coin flip w/the raiders. I predict the saints will draft leinart...especially since aaron brooks is done in new orleans.

I used the Jets as an example because if the Texans trade down they should only do so to a position in which they could still pick up someone like Ferguson from UVA. I dont think Ferguson will still be around by the 49ers pick. Leinert to the Saints is almost a lock IMO.