David Wells question

[jsinger121]

In Chris Snow's baseball notebook today he says he thinks the red sox will trade wells. if we trade him i want prospects in return.

[Cityofchampions33]

Yeah, I'd love to get some solid hitting C or 3b outta this, and the Dodger's have trhee players who fit that profile in their BA top 10.

[kreinbihl34]

Yeah well outta of this deal i want... thats what we all start out saying. See I just don't think teams are jumping through hoops to get this guy. He a old picter the has stated he wants a trade. Which puts us into we have to get rid of him. Baseball GMs are very smart people and the fact that they know he wants us drives DOWN his value. I don't care if he is a reasonable pitcher, hes old and this is he last year. Not something you want to give up a young arm for that could become very good for a long time. I see us getting a couple of middle to low level spects outta this... I know you all disagree but this is the logical thought and how can you disagree?

[elsrbueno]

Yeah well outta of this deal i want... thats what we all start out saying. See I just don't think teams are jumping through hoops to get this guy. He a old picter the has stated he wants a trade. Which puts us into we have to get rid of him. Baseball GMs are very smart people and the fact that they know he wants us drives DOWN his value. I don't care if he is a reasonable pitcher, hes old and this is he last year. Not something you want to give up a young arm for that could become very good for a long time. I see us getting a couple of middle to low level spects outta this... I know you all disagree but this is the logical thought and how can you disagree?

 

No, I don't think teams are jumping through hoops to get Wells. It's probably because frankly, they'd rather not trade young players for a 42 year old starter, especially one who's openly stated that he wants out.

 

The best thing for the Red Sox might be to keep him in the rotation until mid-season. Allow some races to develop and some teams like LA, San Diego, and Anaheim realize that they're rotations need strengthening. Maybe then they'll get greedy and try to overpay for Wells.

 

The question is: Will he pitch for the Red Sox if not traded?

[riverside sluggers]

The fact of the matter is, that Wells is one of the players you dont want unhappy on your team because he WILL make waves.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Theo said he wants to talk to David Wells in the beginning of Spring Training. My guess is the conversation will go along the lines of: your worth is what you make it up until the trade deadline. If you can pitch well enough that other teams will want you then I can trade you to the west coast. If you don't then I can't get fair value and you might as well retire. The Red Sox should stick David Wells in a rotation spot that can max out his home game appearances. That way he will dominate for us and be worth something.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

No, I don't think teams are jumping through hoops to get Wells. It's probably because frankly, they'd rather not trade young players for a 42 year old starter, especially one who's openly stated that he wants out.

 

The best thing for the Red Sox might be to keep him in the rotation until mid-season. Allow some races to develop and some teams like LA, San Diego, and Anaheim realize that they're rotations need strengthening. Maybe then they'll get greedy and try to overpay for Wells.

 

The question is: Will he pitch for the Red Sox if not traded?[/QUOTE]

 

I think that there's more to what is motivating Wells than just " a desire to get to the West Coast ". Wells has a fairly grounded working knowledge of the market and the effects of PR leaks. I'm sure both he and his agent are by stating that : not only does he want to be traded ( but traded to a West Coast team ), would severely limit the Red Sox's ability to make a trade ( let alone receive market value compensation ). My guess, is that he had made a decision that he either gets what he wants or he'll retire. Its not exactly the same situation, but similar to that of Roger Clemens ( granted Roger was a free agent ), his age and injury history is are draw backs, however, his " big name experience ", his record last year, and the fact that he's a lefty, all work in his favor. I remember when the Yanks traded him to the Blue Jays, he was pissed and threatened not to go, he also lambasted the Yankees. Yet he went to the Jays and returned to the Yankees. So in summary, if he just wanted to retire, he would have done so ( unless he was trying to stick it to the Sox ), with that said, it means he will report, or holdout reporting to Spring Training. The logic is that if he retires while under contract, he would have to sit out an entire year. He would then be 43 with no recent history, not a good thing. So therefore, he will report and wait to get traded ( while bitching to the press and getting even less in a trade ) or he will hold out and demand a new contract. Clearly, he's not willing to retire, he wants something(s), and I doubt its just to get traded to the West Coast. He will do what he has to do, report late, hold-out, or pitch and bitch. But he will not retire.

[Americal Man]

he has a great record in Fenway so it would be nice to see him stay. he would have had an even better season if he hadn't of hurt his foot trying to field a ground ball which kept him out for several weeks.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

he has a great record in Fenway so it would be nice to see him stay. he would have had an even better season if he hadn't of hurt his foot trying to field a ground ball which kept him out for several weeks.

With the number of foot injuries last year, we should have had a full time Podiatrist.

[elsrbueno]

No, I don't think teams are jumping through hoops to get Wells. It's probably because frankly, they'd rather not trade young players for a 42 year old starter, especially one who's openly stated that he wants out.

 

The best thing for the Red Sox might be to keep him in the rotation until mid-season. Allow some races to develop and some teams like LA, San Diego, and Anaheim realize that they're rotations need strengthening. Maybe then they'll get greedy and try to overpay for Wells.

 

The question is: Will he pitch for the Red Sox if not traded?

 

I think that there's more to what is motivating Wells than just " a desire to get to the West Coast ". Wells has a fairly grounded working knowledge of the market and the effects of PR leaks. I'm sure both he and his agent are by stating that : not only does he want to be traded ( but traded to a West Coast team ), would severely limit the Red Sox's ability to make a trade ( let alone receive market value compensation ). My guess, is that he had made a decision that he either gets what he wants or he'll retire. Its not exactly the same situation, but similar to that of Roger Clemens ( granted Roger was a free agent ), his age and injury history is are draw backs, however, his " big name experience ", his record last year, and the fact that he's a lefty, all work in his favor. I remember when the Yanks traded him to the Blue Jays, he was pissed and threatened not to go, he also lambasted the Yankees. Yet he went to the Jays and returned to the Yankees. So in summary, if he just wanted to retire, he would have done so ( unless he was trying to stick it to the Sox ), with that said, it means he will report, or holdout reporting to Spring Training. The logic is that if he retires while under contract, he would have to sit out an entire year. He would then be 43 with no recent history, not a good thing. So therefore, he will report and wait to get traded ( while bitching to the press and getting even less in a trade ) or he will hold out and demand a new contract. Clearly, he's not willing to retire, he wants something(s), and I doubt its just to get traded to the West Coast. He will do what he has to do, report late, hold-out, or pitch and bitch. But he will not retire.

 

If you're right about Wells (and I have little doubt that you are), the Sox have no choice but to trade him before Spring Training-- and in a situation like that, his trade value is not very high at all.

 

Trading him for prospects seems the most logical choice given the depth of the current staff, but who could the Sox get for Wells?

[Sox Fan on Cape]

If you're right about Wells (and I have little doubt that you are), the Sox have no choice but to trade him before Spring Training-- and in a situation like that, his trade value is not very high at all.

 

Trading him for prospects seems the most logical choice given the depth of the current staff, but who could the Sox get for Wells?

I agree with that, I was just posting my conjecture.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

If you're right about Wells (and I have little doubt that you are), the Sox have no choice but to trade him before Spring Training-- and in a situation like that, his trade value is not very high at all.

 

Trading him for prospects seems the most logical choice given the depth of the current staff, but who could the Sox get for Wells?

 

What I find amazing is that teams like Arizona and the Dodgers are deep in there farm systems. All the teams in the NL West are pretty average and having him at the top of there rotation certainly makes there chances look better. He could post 15 wins for those teams and they look at him as just someone to take off the Red Sox hands. His salary isn't THAT large in the case where they can't afford him. A couple middle prospects would probably do cause its better than us getting nothing. Should be fun to see this play out but I really want to see what Wells says after he talks to Theo.

[TheMeanWalrus]

he has a great record in Fenway so it would be nice to see him stay. he would have had an even better season if he hadn't of hurt his foot trying to field a ground ball which kept him out for several weeks.

 

 

 

Col, I think we both know Wells isn't going anywhere.

Certainly not this spring.

His value in terms of a trade is neglible at this point in his career and no team is going to give up any kind of legit proppect for a 42 year old on his final leg. He'll contribute in Boston this year in much the same way he did last year. You know what you get with him. Strikes, consistency and a handful of ass whoopin's thrown in.

 

And thats assuming he stays healthy which at his age is faaaaaaar from a sure thing.

[Paradisecity]

[quote=TheMeanWalrus;

And thats assuming he stays healthy which at his age is faaaaaaar from a sure thing.

 

He does have a rubber arm though Walrus, and one thing you never have to worry about with him is conditioning, as he'll be a fat POS regardless.

[TheMeanWalrus]

He does have a rubber arm though Walrus, and one thing you never have to worry about with him is conditioning, as he'll be a fat POS regardless.

 

 

True PC

I like him, and (not to sound like MJ here) you can "pencil him in" for his 12-16 wins.

He needs to stay healthy though. And that injury last year wasn't the kind of thing that would happen to someone closer to your age (or even mine)

 

Plus, I admire how he is proceeding with his civil suit against that Rocco guy from Brooklyn who dusted him late night in a diner as well. 6'4" 260 lb David Wells knocked out by 5'4" Rocco Grazabini at 4:30 AM in Sal's Late Night Breakfast. . .Bwahahahaha

 

Plus he looks like Col. Kurtz

[Paradisecity]

The Horror

The Horror

 

Im sure his name is Rocco for a reason.

 

Perhaps Wells wants a trade because he knows he have so many arms that any sort of pitching mishap may mean he won't make his incentives.

[Manny Goes Boom]

What I find amazing is that teams like Arizona and the Dodgers are deep in there farm systems. All the teams in the NL West are pretty average and having him at the top of there rotation certainly makes there chances look better. He could post 15 wins for those teams and they look at him as just someone to take off the Red Sox hands. His salary isn't THAT large in the case where they can't afford him. A couple middle prospects would probably do cause its better than us getting nothing. Should be fun to see this play out but I really want to see what Wells says after he talks to Theo.

 

Theo would have to do some major negotiating with them because, 1. Wells (in their eyes, stabbed them in the back after he had a "handshake agreement" over a contract with them, then bolted to San Diego) and 2. after the Schilling deal fell through the floor and Arizona ended with jackshit, they would be reluctant to trade young guys to a team who is known for its farm. I dunno, maybe some early level guys from them but not much, and DEF not guys like Carlos Quentin and Conor Jackson, although Conor Jackson would be a nice future 1B.

[riverside sluggers]

A player lost in the mix has been 1st base prospect Adrian Gonzalez who was traded from Texas to San Diego, who also has a surplus of players already capable of playing that position. I wouldnt mind getting him in a Wells trade. In the near future could see gonzalez at 1st and youkilis back at 3rd

 

EDIT: I would be perfectly happy with a trade as follows

 

San Diego- David Wells, Josh Bard

Boston- Doug Mirabelli, Adrian Gonzalez

[Americal Man]

TMW,

I guess the concern for tubby is that he doesn't disrupt ST if he can't get moved. I think he bought into last year and should give us at least another good half season. I'm sure he'd go back to the yankmees if he had a chance.

[Americal Man]

they also have this kid - bladergroen - at a ball who was picked up from the Mets I believe. he;'s also a first baseman although he's not burning up the minors.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

What I find amazing is that teams like Arizona and the Dodgers are deep in there farm systems. All the teams in the NL West are pretty average and having him at the top of there rotation certainly makes there chances look better. He could post 15 wins for those teams and they look at him as just someone to take off the Red Sox hands. His salary isn't THAT large in the case where they can't afford him. A couple middle prospects would probably do cause its better than us getting nothing. Should be fun to see this play out but I really want to see what Wells says after he talks to Theo.

 

 

makes sense, especially since ned [colletti] has been on record with still wanting to add another SP, but i think he's going to wait till at least spring training to evaluate where the dodgers are at with who they can afford to lose/trade for an injury-prone, fat, 42 yo. lefty in his last season with the big leagues. if he can stay moderately healthy and effective, there's no reason he can't come close to filling in for the loss of weaver this season.

 

as for SD, i think he burned that bridge... if i had to guess, he ends up in LA or SF.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Theo would have to do some major negotiating with them because, 1. Wells (in their eyes, stabbed them in the back after he had a "handshake agreement" over a contract with them, then bolted to San Diego) and 2. after the Schilling deal fell through the floor and Arizona ended with jackshit, they would be reluctant to trade young guys to a team who is known for its farm. I dunno, maybe some early level guys from them but not much, and DEF not guys like Carlos Quentin and Conor Jackson, although Conor Jackson would be a nice future 1B.

 

True there is history there. However, I think that addition of Josh Byrnes changes some things when it comes to dealing with teams. Its not our fault the Dbacks were idiots in the Schilling deal. Just the same its not our fault for being stupid and giving up too much for B. Kim.

 

Certainly guys like Quentin and Jackson are out of the question. Those guys are elite prospects and that would be tough to do. Not to mention Byrnes watched Theo work for a while and isn't stupid.

 

I liked Riversides idea of Mirabelli and Gonzalez. I'm not sure what to do with Gonzalez since we have Youk and Snow at 1st. I think Adrian Gonzo can play the outfield but he isn't much of a platoon partner for Nixon. I guess there is no harm in allowing him to tear up AAA until we need him. Its an idea of course.

[Cityofchampions33]

I like the idea of platooning him with Nixon in RF, also he provides a safety net behind Youk if Kevin isnt up to snuff.

[mar_022]

The Dodgers would probably send us Jonathon Broxton (P), Willy Aybar (IF), or Edwin Jackson (P).

 

I'm pretty sure Jackson went to the D Rays for Baez and Harper...not positive though

[jsinger121]

jackson did go to the devils along with chuck tiffany for baez and harper.

[CrespoBlows]

I'm pretty sure Jackson went to the D Rays for Baez and Harper...not positive though

 

Yeah, and if you look at the date of my post. I stated Jackson's name before Baez was traded for him.