David Wells question

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Boston Globe

 

 

 

big yes to Duchscherer, if Sox dont have to give up much for him. Garcia I wouldnt mind that much. But Kennedy and Saarloos are too erratic for me.

 

Kennedy has had his fair share of seasons with ERAs above 5 or even 6. He bodes a 4.91 ERA with a shoddy 35-51 record

 

Saarloos is nowhere near a strikeout pitcher which does not compare to the current staff we have now. Take note that in 2005 he just had 53 Ks in 160 innings pitched. He bodes a career 4.80 ERA, and 160 innings pitched is the most he has gone to.

 

Yes, and he's been pitching at Coors for practically his whole career.

[Soxfan1]

If you've got speed like that then he is at least average. A leadoff hitter requires to necessities. Hitting and speed. He is a low risk high reward player.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

If you've got speed like that then he is at least average. A leadoff hitter requires to necessities. Hitting and speed. He is a low risk high reward player.

 

 

Roberts?

[jsinger121]

roberts for wells is a terrible deal as wells can fetch alot more than someone such as roberts who does not hit particulary well as is not a very good leadoff hitter.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

roberts for wells is a terrible deal as wells can fetch alot more than someone such as roberts who does not hit particulary well as is not a very good leadoff hitter.

 

Wells for Peavy! :thumbsup:

 

 

EDIT: for those who are going to blast me for this, of course I'm joking

[Soxfan1]

Roberts?

Yes I meant to quote a previous poster, but forgot. I wouldn't do that straight up, maybe some minor leaguers and another player involved. All I know is that we better trade him before the season starts or he'll leave us with retirement and we lose everything.

[bigpappi2004]

I really would like to see a possible deal sending Dave Roberts back to Boston for Boomer. Either that or the payton deal would be wonderful as well.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Who would you guys rather have, Payton or Roberts?

 

Of course we know who would be the most popular, but who is the better ballplayer?

[bigpappi2004]

payton is a far better hitter, but we are also talking about getting a lead off hiter. As I recall, payton isn't a leadoff hitter, and roberts could fill the hole

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I'm going to make a new thread about the CF options.

 

 

 

EDIT: no, better yet, a poll!

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Can someone help me out here? I've never done this before and I can't quite figure out how to make a poll...

[a700hitter]

Dave Roberts is a stand up guy, and Payton is a bit of a prima donna ass.

[riverside sluggers]

um, Boston Herald is reporting that its getting closer to the possibility that Wells could not be traded by the day that pitchers/catchers report, since they cant find an acceptable trade. The co-GMs had mentioned there were no indications on their part that Wells is making threats of not reporting to spring training or retiring if not dealt.

 

They said the new center fielder will be from outside of the organization. How do they plan on making a trade if a Wells trade might be going nowhere, and they have stopped shopping Clement to other teams? It has also been said that the Sox have offered Arroyo a 3 million contract. Perplexed more than ever.

 

The Current 2006 pitching staff

Starters

Curt Schilling

Josh Beckett

David Wells

Jonathan Papelbon

Matt Clement

Tim Wakefield

Bronson Arroyo

 

Bullpen

Lenny DiNardo

Guillermo Mota

Rudy Seanez

Mike Timlin

Julian Tavarez

Keith Foulke

 

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=121163

[krazeebrainz]

Woody Williams is a joke. This guy just doesn't impress me. He is straight-up batting practice. I'd rather have Wells than Williams.

[jsinger121]

Woody Williams stats at fenway are brutal as well and he is practically washed up and can barely hit 85 on the radar gun.

[a700hitter]

It would be ridiculous to take on a big contract like Williams that would return next to nothing to the Red Sox. If this is what it takes to get Roberts, they would have been better off spending the monwy by signing Damon

[riverside sluggers]

IMO there are better options than Dave Roberts, in Coco Crisp and Jeremy Reed. Roberts is my boy, but he's not likely to have a productive season. Lets keep that stolen base as the last impression of him in our minds. Take note that the 2005 season of hitting .275 with 8 Hrs, 38 RBIs, .365 OBP is all career highs.

 

The Padres want to give up Williams for Wells because they kinda have a surplus of starting pitchers as it is.

 

Jake Peavy

Chris Young

Chan Ho Park

Woody Williams

Shawn Estes

Dewon Brazelton

Tim Stauffer

 

Again, its no sure thing that Damon wouldve chosen the Sox over the Yankees if they came close to matching that offer.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Would they ever consider Chris Young? Maybe Wells+Shoppach for Roberts+Young

 

...?

[riverside sluggers]

I dont think so, the Padres are trying to dump Williams on us because they know we are in a bind currently. Also they want to get rid of his contract as well.

[a700hitter]

Take note that the 2005 season of hitting .275 with 8 Hrs, 38 RBIs, .365 OBP is all career highs.

At least this indicates that age 36 he is not in decline. We could live with the OBP. He would score a lot of runs with that OBP in the Red Sox lineup.

[krazeebrainz]

At least this indicates that age 36 he is not in decline. We could live with the OBP. He would score a lot of runs with that OBP in the Red Sox lineup.

 

I just don't want to see the Sox turn into the likes of the geriatric infested Yankees...If I am going to shop for a center fielder, I'd want him to be 30 or younger. I'd like to think that the Sox are not only playing for this season, but are stacking the deck for the next few seasons. You can seldomly go wrong when you bring in good, young talent.

 

-krazeebrainz

[ORS]

I just don't want to see the Sox turn into the likes of the geriatric infested Yankees...If I am going to shop for a center fielder, I'd want him to be 30 or younger. I'd like to think that the Sox are not only playing for this season, but are stacking the deck for the next few seasons. You can seldomly go wrong when you bring in good, young talent.

 

-krazeebrainz

Roberts has one year left on his contract, so he'd just be a stopgap. He's likely to only cost Wells, another player who won't be in Boston next year, so they'll keep the youthfulness you want post-2006.

[riverside sluggers]

The trade wouldve already been done by now, so easier said than done. It is clear by now, as Gordon Edes has said the same thing, that the Sox are wary of taking on Williams.

 

Coco Crisp and Jeremy Reed are both more likely trades to happen.

[a700hitter]

I think the Coco Crisp trade is unlikely and it would be costly in terms of prospects. If the Sox have to give up any blue-chippers, i.e., Lester, to get Crisp, it would have been better to keep Damon. IMO Crisp does not have that high of a ceiling. He'll be lucky to be as good as Damon.

 

I'm also not sold on Reed. I have heard that he is very strong defensively. His stick has been nothing to brag about and speed (base-stealing) is not part of his game. With Roberts, he has defensive skills. His offense is no worse than Reed's and he is a weapon on the bases. I'd prefer to get Roberts for a year or two until the kids on the farm are ready. That being said, SD has to drop the demand to take Williams. That would make no sense.

[krazeebrainz]

One Red Seat,

 

Your point is well taken. I still like having a lefty in the starting rotation...If all went well with Wells' meniscal surgery, I think that he will be able to give us some quality innings and rack-up at least 12 wins.

 

When his curve was breaking last year, he was nasty. I think that the sub-par outtings that we saw from Wells all point back to his knee. With that said, though Roberts would be a "stopgap" I think that I healthy David Wells is just as, if not more valuable.

 

-krazeebrainz

[a700hitter]

It wouldn't hurt Well's knee-health if he ate a salad once in a while. He is a helluva pitcher when he can get on top of his curve.

[krazeebrainz]

a700hitter,

 

No doubt! I just don't understand...He has the access and the money to afford the best personal trainers, food and supplements that money can buy! If David Wells took care of himself throughout his career, he had the potential to be one of the best left handers ever!

[ORS]

One Red Seat,

 

Your point is well taken. I still like having a lefty in the starting rotation...If all went well with Wells' meniscal surgery, I think that he will be able to give us some quality innings and rack-up at least 12 wins.

 

When his curve was breaking last year, he was nasty. I think that the sub-par outtings that we saw from Wells all point back to his knee. With that said, though Roberts would be a "stopgap" I think that I healthy David Wells is just as, if not more valuable.

 

-krazeebrainz

It's unlikely that Wells passes on a potential $8M, but it is possible that he decides to retire if he's not traded. SD is one of the places that he wants to go, they have an extra CF, and the Sox need a CF. Seems like a no-brainer to me. Sure, Wells is more valuable than Roberts, but the situation adds weight to Roberts' side.

[Beckett95]

Boston Globe--

At least one major league executive wonders whether David Wells will become a major distraction for the Sox and refuse to report at the start of spring training. The Dodgers no longer are involved in a possible three-way for Wells, in which the Sox would have sent him to Oakland for outfielder Jay Payton and Billy Beane would have flipped Wells to LA for prospects. Sox manager Terry Francona has told club officials that he would not stand in the way of Payton's return, despite the ugly encounter they had in Texas last season that preceded Payton's trade to the A's. Payton was a part-time player then; he'd be returning as a starter. Arizona has mild interest in Wells, and Wells continues to personally lobby the Padres, but nothing appears imminent. The Sox still have Cleveland's Coco Crisp on the top of their center field wish list, with Julio Lugo still their top shortstop target, but the Devil Rays have the luxury of waiting on deals for Lugo, Aubrey Huff, and Danys Baez, who is coveted by the Mets but could wind up in the National League West. If the Sox get Lugo, it's not impossible that he would start the season in center field, with Alex Cora the starting shortstop . . . Miguel Tejada? The Sox figure talks are dead for now, but check back in a couple of weeks . . . Nice gesture by Johnny Damon to offer a video thank you to Sox fans at the Boston Baseball Writers Dinner, though it received a very tepid response.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/01/15/a_true_big_game_pitcher/?page=4

 

how about david wells to the angels for darin erstad and joe saunders

[riverside sluggers]

could David Wells end up staying in Boston for 2006? Odds are its looking more likely. Thats sad to think about, going into this offseason had been the top 2 priorities to trade Manny & Wells... both of which could very well still be in Red Sox uni's.

 

I dont really know about Lugo as the center fielder, let alone be our shortstop. Theres also the fact that Boston is so far unwilling to give one of their prized prospects, especially to a division rival no less. Its evident that is what holding them back, a trade with Tampa wouldve been done by now if that wasnt the case.

 

EDIT: Thoughts if Sox were to go with a 6 man rotation?