4-way deal?

[yankeessuck013]

edgar?

[DrewDaGreat]

I think he's saying if we trade Marte.

[Cityofchampions33]

I wouldn't mind any prospect besides our blue chippers (Lester, Papy, Pedroia, Marte, etc.) and would willingly give up Shoppach and Alvarez for Huff if needed.

[pats55sox45]

ya i meant if we give up marte (cuz he is what we got for edgar)

 

i agree, i do not want to get rid of lester, paps, pedroia, marte, moss, elsbury, maybe murphy

i would def get rid of shoppach, and id be willing to part with delcarmen and alvarez

 

i said it then and ill say it again, we should not have included matt murton in that oc, minky deal

[Cityofchampions33]

Well without even dressing for the Sox, Murton helped us win a Wold Series, so he was used for something.

[ORS]

Huff interests me only if Manny is traded. Trot needs a RH platoon mate, so he's no good for that, and there are already enough corner IFs on the roster. I'd be willing to part with Shopp + lesser pitching prospect to get him, but only if he's the everyday LF. Otherwise, I think they ought to hold on to Shoppach.

[riverside sluggers]

Cant wait for this to be all sorted out, other than that...

 

Happy New Year Everyone!! :thumbsup:

 

Heres to peace, prosperity, and the Sox getting 'er done all the way to October

[a700hitter]

The calendar has turned to the New Year, and the Sox roster has major holes. It's time to drop these Tejada/Manny negotiations. That trade will probably go nowhere, so fuhgetaboutit. Fill the holes and get the team read for March 1st.

[NYH]

The New York Daily News says the Mets, Red Sox, Orioles and Devil Rays may be discussing a four-team deal that would send Manny Ramirez to New York; Miguel Tejada and Joey Gathright to Boston; Julio Lugo, Matt Clement and maybe Kris Benson to Baltimore and Andy Marte, Aaron Heilman, Jae Seo and Kaz Matsui to Tampa Bay.

[yankeessuck013]

http://www.talksox.com/forum/showthread.php?p=102718#post102718

[example1]

come. on. guys. How many times do we have to do this?

[User Name]

I like this deal, except for the Marte part. I wanted to keep him, but I guess it's alright, as long as Tejada would produce. I'd be happy if this trade does or does not go through.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

The New York Daily News says the Mets, Red Sox, Orioles and Devil Rays may be discussing a four-team deal that would send Manny Ramirez to New York; Miguel Tejada and Joey Gathright to Boston; Julio Lugo, Matt Clement and maybe Kris Benson to Baltimore and Andy Marte, Aaron Heilman, Jae Seo and Kaz Matsui to Tampa Bay.

 

I hear in other threads what people are saying about Joey Gathright but I think the kid is the next Scott Podsednik...just better on defense. He won't hit any homers but he is one of the fastest in the game and can cover a lot of ground. He would be a leadoff hitter as a lefty to replace Johnny Dickhead.

 

So I don't have a problem getting Gathright...just a problem giving up Andy Marte for him. We would basically be trading Manny Ramirez, Matt Clement, and Edgar Renteria for Miguel Tejada and Joey Gathright???? How about no. I'm all for getting those guys but not for those three pieces. Instead of Andy Marte I think the Devil Rays need another prospect from another team. We should only be giving up Manny Ramirez and Matt Clement in that deal. I'm fine giving up Manny for Tejada straight up....that is a fair deal. Trading Matt Clement (a #3 starter or #2 for some teams) for a young CF with potential is also fair. Giving up one (if not the top) position player prospect for basically nothing is NOT ok.

[example1]

I like this deal, except for the Marte part. I wanted to keep him, but I guess it's alright, as long as Tejada would produce. I'd be happy if this trade does or does not go through.

 

So you would be willing to trade Manny, Clement and Renteria (plus one year of Renteria's salary) for Gathright and Tejada?

[example1]

I hear in other threads what people are saying about Joey Gathright but I think the kid is the next Scott Podsednik...just better on defense. He won't hit any homers but he is one of the fastest in the game and can cover a lot of ground. He would be a leadoff hitter as a lefty to replace Johnny Dickhead.

 

So I don't have a problem getting Gathright...just a problem giving up Andy Marte for him. We would basically be trading Manny Ramirez, Matt Clement, and Edgar Renteria for Miguel Tejada and Joey Gathright???? How about no. I'm all for getting those guys but not for those three pieces. Instead of Andy Marte I think the Devil Rays need another prospect from another team. We should only be giving up Manny Ramirez and Matt Clement in that deal. I'm fine giving up Manny for Tejada straight up....that is a fair deal. Trading Matt Clement (a #3 starter or #2 for some teams) for a young CF with potential is also fair. Giving up one (if not the top) position player prospect for basically nothing is NOT ok.

 

I think that if the sox are giving Marte to TB they should get Milledge from NYM. That would fill some holes (LF and CF) with good young players. It would give TB something they could use (3B ) and the sox could afford to spend something they don't need (3B ). I like Marte, but mostly because he's a top prospect, not because of any attachment I have for him or because of his potential power. I think Milledge could be very good.

[NYH]

The Mets are not going to trade Milledge, at least that's what I hear from my die hard Met fan co workers

[guapo34]

Alright I exagerated a little. Huff isn't awful, but he isn't very good either. His ops dropped 104 points last year and 173 points from 2 years ago. 22 home runs, a .261 average, and .321 obp aren't very impressive. I think its more likely he does worse than his .749 ops from last year than better. Lugo hit better than Huff last year and is a SS. He's far more valuable.

[yankeessuck013]

The Mets are not going to trade Milledge, at least that's what I hear from my die hard Met fan co workers

 

If a manny trade is presented, they will.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I think that if the sox are giving Marte to TB they should get Milledge from NYM. That would fill some holes (LF and CF) with good young players. It would give TB something they could use (3B ) and the sox could afford to spend something they don't need (3B ). I like Marte, but mostly because he's a top prospect, not because of any attachment I have for him or because of his potential power. I think Milledge could be very good.

 

That may work....I think as long as we got another piece to the puzzle I would make a different opinion. Like I was saying...Manny for Tejada is fair and Clement for Gathright if fair...but Marte (Renteria) for nothing is not. Lastings Milledge would make some sense but I'm not sure why the Mets would trade him to us instead of to the Rays. Basically the Rays have a choice between Milledge and Marte....take your pick I guess. I hear Marte has a bigger ceilling than Milledge but Milledge has been a little more successful.

[ksushi]

If a manny trade is presented, they will.

 

Not true. I don't think I can produce the article, it was on MLB.com about a month ago, where Minaya said very clearly he will not deal milledge for manny after he acquired Delgado. Manny is considered to be something they would like, but not a need to win the east or win in the playoffs. The mets would like Manny, but so would the other 30 teams in baseball, its just at what price would they like him. Milledge won't be a red sox. I don't like Milledge anyways.

 

Edit - and yeah, i agree with the natural here, it does seem like Marte was just thrown into this deal like we were tipping the devil rays for just engaging in trade talks with us. Thats crap.

[guapo34]

Why do you assume just becuase you read in an article on MLB.com that he wouldn't trade milledge that its fact. He could've said it for many reasons. Maybe he felt he couldn't get a deal together and he wanted to make the Mets players look better than they are. He also said he wouldn't trade Heilman for Manny. Money aside, cuz theres other ways to work that out, if any GM in baseball wouldn't trade Heilman or Milledge to get Manny they should be fired.

[riverside sluggers]

mlbtraderumors.com: White Sox Receive Tejada Offer

 

Remember when I decided to start calling Kenny Williams "spunky" based on his Javier Vazquez and Jim Thome trades? I'm starting to think I should stick with "bold," as cliche as it may be. As I mentioned earlier on this site, the White Sox submitted two trade proposals for Miguel Tejada with a deadline of December 31st. Now the White Sox have re-entered the Tejada fray.

 

A rock-solid source of mine close to the White Sox tells me that the team is "lying in the weeds" and allowing the Mets, Devil Rays, Orioles, and Red Sox to beat each other up with this whole Manny/Tejada 4-way thing. The White Sox hope that the 4-way deal falls apart because it's too complicated and too expensive. Presently, it seems that their wish will be fulfilled.

 

The Orioles want the Tejada deal done soon, and approached the White Sox yesterday with a proposal. The Orioles asked for Jose Contreras, Juan Uribe, Ryan Sweeney, and a top pitching prospect. That unknown prospect may be a sticking point, but it can probably be worked out. Alex Woodson has been previously mentioned in discussions between the two clubs. It would be a daring move by Kenny Williams to subtract Uribe and Aaron Rowand after winning a World Series with defense as the team's strength.

 

My source tells me to look for an announcement by Friday about Tejada, no matter where he ends up. The White Sox have their own motivation to wrap things up before the weekend: they'd like to have an announcement that does not conflict with a Bears playoff weekend or the Cubs Convention.

 

That proposed trade is kinda lopsided in the Orioles' favor.

[schillingouttheks]

I really don't see what planet the Orioles are living on. The White Sox have only gotten better since last season's World Series team, so what makes the O's think the White Sox need Tejada that badly? If the Orioles wanted to get the Tejada deal done, they shoulda sent him to Boston for Manny and Clement. That's the best deal they're going to get anyway.

[ksushi]

Because Thome is no sure thing and the white sox have pitching to spare. If they deal contreras its cancelled out by McCarthy coming into the rotation and all the pitchers on that staff being virtually equal with Javy Vazquez a bit behind in the proven dept.

 

If they got miggy, it would be much much bigger of a splash than if the red sox did. The White sox need him badly, that would make them nearly untouchable.

[schillingouttheks]

True, but they still have their World Series team intact, for the most part...

 

Unless I'm not remembering anything other than Rowand for Thome, their team is still the team to beat next year. They are a very good team who plays a lot of small ball, I don't necessarily understand why they'd have such a need for a power hitting SS like Tejada, as they still have great defense with Uribe. Hm...I'm probably missing something but I don't really see the point of giving up that much. Contreras was money throughout the playoffs and settled down after a few starts this past season.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

If they need to include Contreras in that deal then the White Sox will take a hit. Right now they have the top pitching rotation in baseball. Why would they remove a central piece to that puzzle for a offensive player? Granted Tejada is a good player but there team can all hit. Even if Jim Thome doesnt work out they can did it last season without him. From top to bottom they have a strong lineup and the best pitching rotation....that would be foolish of the White Sox.

[ksushi]

The White sox have said openly that they intend to deal contrera to make room for mccarthy. I hardly consider that a hit considering how high a cieling mccarthy has. he owned the red sox last season. Sell high and Buy low. Get value for contreras now, pay you're 4 starter next year 300,000 instead of 3,000,000 and go get the best short stop in the game?

 

Foolish? Hardly. No brainer. Look at McCarthy, he is so good that the bullpen is far to small to contain him this year. He is way to enticing. Do you think Contreras is realistically an ace? I think he is realistically a head case who got very very hot and really got on top of his splitter for three months. I think if you deal him now, get maximum value for him, you have just played a sweet game.

 

 

having a team 'in-tact' is the most overrated thing that fans throw around after a championship run. You need roster turn over, you need to move parts for different parts and re-tool every so often. If the whitesox keep their team in tact, other teams are getting better, while they are getting only older and they decrease annually in value. being intact is crap. if they wanted to stay in tact they'd keep carl everett and let thomas ride the bench while paying him far too much. They have room to improve so they should jump on it. They have so much pitching its nauseating. They can afford to deal a front line starter for a front line hitter, vastly improve their club... and then inject youth.

 

thats disgusting. that is such a dream for any team in baseball.