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[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Thank f*** Anthony Davis is off the table. Now help Kyrie pack his bags for Brooklyn and show Morris and Rozier the door, and maybe we can have a fairly ********-free season next year.

[notin]

Thank f*** Anthony Davis is off the table. Now help Kyrie pack his bags for Brooklyn and show Morris and Rozier the door, and maybe we can have a fairly ********-free season next year.

 

 

Playoff-free, too...

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

We'll win 50 games next year.

[notin]

We'll win 50 games next year.

 

 

Think they go with just Smart and Brown in the backcourt? Or make any major moves or signings?

 

 

I do think Ainge keeps Rozier. He has always seemed to like him...

[moonslav59]

CBS Sports suggests...

 

Boston acquires Beal in blockbuster deal

Celtics get: Bradley Beal

Wizards get: Marcus Smart, Aron Baynes, Guerschon Yabusele, No. 22 pick in 2019 draft, 2020 first-round pick (via Memphis)

 

[notin]

NBA contracts do make MLB contracts look paltry in comparison.

 

Beal has 2 years $56mill left. He’s an terrific (albeit limited) player, but in MLB that makes him among the highest paid in league history. In the NBA, he’s the lower paid in his own back court...

[Jasonbay44]

CBS Sports suggests...

 

Boston acquires Beal in blockbuster deal

Celtics get: Bradley Beal

Wizards get: Marcus Smart, Aron Baynes, Guerschon Yabusele, No. 22 pick in 2019 draft, 2020 first-round pick (via Memphis)

 

Wizards are so stupid they’ll probably do this.

[Jasonbay44]

NBA contracts do make MLB contracts look paltry in comparison.

 

Beal has 2 years $56mill left. He’s an terrific (albeit limited) player, but in MLB that makes him among the highest paid in league history. In the NBA, he’s the lower paid in his own back court...

 

 

NBA also has half the roster, 1 player makes a significant difference for each team. For example, worst team in league adding Lebron makes them playoff contender. Mike Trout is best player in league and his team always sucks

[moonslav59]

Word is Chris Paul and Harden can't play with each other next year.

 

Paul's contract is obscene, so any trade will be hampered by it.

 

I don't see a match with the Celtics.

 

I hope my Bucks don't trade for Paul.

[Bellhorn04]

Looks like the Raptors are being idiots. Not a big surprise though.

 

Good call.

[notin]

NBA also has half the roster, 1 player makes a significant difference for each team. For example, worst team in league adding Lebron makes them playoff contender. Mike Trout is best player in league and his team always sucks

 

The Lakers were playoff contenders?

[Jasonbay44]

The Lakers were playoff contenders?

They were before Lebron suffered a serious injury

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Depends on how you define playoff contender. Contender to make the playoffs and then get stomped by Golden State/Denver/Houston? Yes they were. Contenders to actually win the title or even the conference? Not at all.

 

Think they go with just Smart and Brown in the backcourt? Or make any major moves or signings?

 

 

I do think Ainge keeps Rozier. He has always seemed to like him...

 

There's no reason Smart can't be the starting point guard. I can't imagine Rozier stays in green after he went on ESPN and put a bunch of people on blast. Which is fine with me, because Rozier is a shoot-first guard who isn't particularly good at anything besides putting the ball in the hole, and those guys grow on trees.

 

Patrick Beverley would be my number one target for signing another guard (if he has to start over Smart then so be it), but I don't know off-hand what kind of deal he's looking at (he is slightly injury prone) or if the Celtics could swing it (all the NBA databases are in that after-the-season-but-before-free-agency mode where players who clearly won't be back are still counted on their team's roster and cap).

[notin]

The Lakers were one game over .500 with LeBron. While that record/pace does typically make the playoffs, you don’t often last very long...

[notin]

Depends on how you define playoff contender. Contender to make the playoffs and then get stomped by Golden State/Denver/Houston? Yes they were. Contenders to actually win the title or even the conference? Not at all.

 

 

 

There's no reason Smart can't be the starting point guard. I can't imagine Rozier stays in green after he went on ESPN and put a bunch of people on blast. Which is fine with me, because Rozier is a shoot-first guard who isn't particularly good at anything besides putting the ball in the hole, and those guys grow on trees.

 

Patrick Beverley would be my number one target for signing another guard (if he has to start over Smart then so be it), but I don't know off-hand what kind of deal he's looking at (he is slightly injury prone) or if the Celtics could swing it (all the NBA databases are in that after-the-season-but-before-free-agency mode where players who clearly won't be back are still counted on their team's roster and cap).

 

No real free agency rumors yet, not surprising with the draft hours away. The Celtics aren’t likely to get an impact player in the draft a d seem to be linked heavily to Herro and Bol. Not sure how I feel about that. I do think they’ll try heavily to move up, but we’ll see how that goes...

[notin]

So Bleacher Report proposed “Draft Day Trades That Make Sense”

 

Two of them involved the Celtics, both with the Rockets

 

1. Baynes, Williams, and picks 20 and 23 for Clint Capela

 

2. Hayward strsight up for Chris a Paul

 

Do these trades make sense? For both teams?

 

Maybe one mega-blockbuster with Hayward, Baynes, Williams and picks 20 and 22 to Houston for Paul and Capela?

[moonslav59]

So Bleacher Report proposed “Draft Day Trades That Make Sense”

 

Two of them involved the Celtics, both with the Rockets

 

1. Baynes, Williams, and picks 20 and 23 for Clint Capela

 

2. Hayward strsight up for Chris a Paul

 

Do these trades make sense? For both teams?

 

Maybe one mega-blockbuster with Hayward, Baynes, Williams and picks 20 and 22 to Houston for Paul and Capela?

 

If I were Houston, I'd trade Paul for a bag of popcorn, if the other team pays his whole contract, which I believe is $37M next year and the year after.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I wouldn't do Hayward for Chris Paul. After last season, Hayward really has nowhere to go but up. Chris Paul is very much on the way down and as a teammate he's not much better than Kyrie.

 

Trading Baynes to Phoenix was stupid. One of our only good defensive players and decent teammates last season, and Danny decides to dump him on the Suns for... what, exactly?

[Jasonbay44]

The Lakers were one game over .500 with LeBron. While that record/pace does typically make the playoffs, you don’t often last very long...

 

They were 20-14 and the 4th seed before he suffered an injury, rushed back, and was playing through a lot of pain before being shut down, they would've made playoffs and been a top 6 seed if he didn't get injured. Regardless, he was still added to a s*** team and made them a playoff contender instantly, which was my point on how much impact one guy in NBA can make.

[notin]

I wouldn't do Hayward for Chris Paul. After last season, Hayward really has nowhere to go but up. Chris Paul is very much on the way down and as a teammate he's not much better than Kyrie.

 

Trading Baynes to Phoenix was stupid. One of our only good defensive players and decent teammates last season, and Danny decides to dump him on the Suns for... what, exactly?

 

 

Yeah I’m not really sure the Celtics know who their centers will be next season. I guess they value that first rounder from Phoenix.

 

I didn’t like their draft much at all. Although it’s tough to get an immediate impact player unless you’re drafting in the top 3 or 4 picks any year. At 14 and 22, you’re looking at rotation players at best..

[Jasonbay44]

Sounds like Kemba Walker is signing max deal with Celtics, while Kyrie Irving will be signing a max deal with the Nets.

[moonslav59]

Sounds like Kemba Walker is signing max deal with Celtics, while Kyrie Irving will be signing a max deal with the Nets.

 

Both good for the Smeltics.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Meh.

[Jasonbay44]

Kevin Durant and Deandre Jordan heading to Nets, and it also sounds like lakers are favorites for Kawhi Leonard

[moonslav59]

Craziest day in NBS history.

 

Tell me there was no collusion, when all these guys sign so quickly.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

Kyrie leaving is fine. Losing Horford is really bad in the short term. Giving Kemba Walker $35M a year to fill the IT/Kyrie role is absolutely retarded. That's not a void that needed to be filled, and it does nothing to change the team for the better. All this is going to do is perpetuate the dynamic of the last three years where everyone stands around holding their dicks, waiting for the "all-star" point guard to do something. They could have signed Patrick Beverley, a much more useful player for our current roster, for much less money.

 

Trading out D'Angelo Russell for Kyrie is a lateral move for Brooklyn. Adding Jordan makes them marginally better I guess. Durant will be 32 by the time he's ready to play again, and even with him they don't have a championship caliber team.

 

The Sixers got better, they might be the favorite in the East even if Kawhi stays in Toronto. Losing someone like Butler hurts, but they kept Tobias Harris, and they came out ahead by replacing Butler with Horford and Josh Richardson, two of the better support players in the league.

[moonslav59]

Kyrie leaving is fine. Losing Horford is really bad in the short term. Giving Kemba Walker $35M a year to fill the IT/Kyrie role is absolutely retarded. That's not a void that needed to be filled, and it does nothing to change the team for the better. All this is going to do is perpetuate the dynamic of the last three years where everyone stands around holding their dicks, waiting for the "all-star" point guard to do something. They could have signed Patrick Beverley, a much more useful player for our current roster, for much less money.

 

Trading out D'Angelo Russell for Kyrie is a lateral move for Brooklyn. Adding Jordan makes them marginally better I guess. Durant will be 32 by the time he's ready to play again, and even with him they don't have a championship caliber team.

 

The Sixers got better, they might be the favorite in the East even if Kawhi stays in Toronto. Losing someone like Butler hurts, but they kept Tobias Harris, and they came out ahead by replacing Butler with Horford and Josh Richardson, two of the better support players in the league.

 

Butler carried the lifeless 76'ers in the playoffs. I wouldn't under estimate his loss.

 

You talk about Durant being 32 when he plays again, well Horford is 33 already. Yes, he will help, but he is not the same as he was even in 2018.

 

I think the 76'ers and my Bucks got worse. If Leonard goes west, the East is wide open.

[Jasonbay44]

Butler carried the lifeless 76'ers in the playoffs. I wouldn't under estimate his loss.

 

You talk about Durant being 32 when he plays again, well Horford is 33 already. Yes, he will help, but he is not the same as he was even in 2018.

 

I think the 76'ers and my Bucks got worse. If Leonard goes west, the East is wide open.

 

I don't think the 76ers got worse. They got more athletic and better defensively. Josh Richardson is a huge upgrade on Redick defensively and Horford is one of the better defensive bigs in the league. If anything they stayed about the same, Richardson is very underrated.

 

I believe the reason he mentioned Durant's age is due the torn achilies. He is out for the upcoming season and suffering that type of injury in your 30's can be brutal. Nets aren't a championship contender in year 1 without Durant, and year two, they'll need him to be healthy and near Kevin Durant of old to legitimately compete for a title.

 

Horford is 33, but doesn't have that recovery from a serious injury, and his game has never relied on athleticism, so he's a guy whose game shouldn't suffer much as he gets older.

[moonslav59]

I don't think the 76ers got worse. They got more athletic and better defensively. Josh Richardson is a huge upgrade on Redick defensively and Horford is one of the better defensive bigs in the league. If anything they stayed about the same, Richardson is very underrated.

 

I believe the reason he mentioned Durant's age is due the torn achilies. He is out for the upcoming season and suffering that type of injury in your 30's can be brutal. Nets aren't a championship contender in year 1 without Durant, and year two, they'll need him to be healthy and near Kevin Durant of old to legitimately compete for a title.

 

Horford is 33, but doesn't have that recovery from a serious injury, and his game has never relied on athleticism, so he's a guy whose game shouldn't suffer much as he gets older.

 

Horford has shown decline in his performance level. This year was his lowest min/gm and rebounds/gm.

 

He'll be 34 next playoff season.

[Jacoby_Ellsbury]

I understand the Celtics not wanting to commit 4 years to Horford at that price tag, but that doesn't change the fact that he was a team leader, an all-around rock solid player, and an anchor for the defense who did things right and never put his success over the team's interests. Losing him hurts. The Celtics have no way of replacing what he would have brought to the table this year and next year.