Ramirez Asks For Trade (merged)

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I might have a hard time seeing the Red Sox going into the season with Mike Lowell being the cleanup hitter. Although I think he will do well, his stats last season were so ineffective I don't think you can grant him that position. Between the Angels, Mets, and Dbacks the only players who could really fill in that spot are Vlad, Garrett, Beltran, Floyd (no!), Glaus, S. Green, and L. Gonzalez. How about:

 

Red Sox: Troy Glaus, Shawn Green, Ervin Santana

Mets: Manny Ramirez, Javier Vazquez

Dbacks: Lastings Milledge, Cliff Floyd, Matt Clement

 

CF: Damon (L)

SS: Renteria ®

DH: Ortiz (L)

1B: Glaus ®

LF: Green (L)

3B: Lowell ®

RF: Nixon (L)

C: Varitek (S)

2B: Pedroia ®/ Cora / Graff

 

1. Curt Schilling

2. Tim Wakefield

3. Josh Beckett

4. Jonathan Papelbon

5. Ervin Santana

[elsrbueno]

I might have a hard time seeing the Red Sox going into the season with Mike Lowell being the cleanup hitter. Although I think he will do well, his stats last season were so ineffective I don't think you can grant him that position. Between the Angels, Mets, and Dbacks the only players who could really fill in that spot are Vlad, Garrett, Beltran, Floyd (no!), Glaus, S. Green, and L. Gonzalez. How about:

 

Red Sox: Troy Glaus, Shawn Green, Ervin Santana

Mets: Manny Ramirez, Javier Vazquez

Dbacks: Lastings Milledge, Cliff Floyd, Matt Clement

 

CF: Damon (L)

SS: Renteria ®

DH: Ortiz (L)

1B: Glaus ®

LF: Green (L)

3B: Lowell ®

RF: Nixon (L)

C: Varitek (S)

2B: Pedroia ®/ Cora / Graff

 

1. Curt Schilling

2. Tim Wakefield

3. Josh Beckett

4. Jonathan Papelbon

5. Ervin Santana

 

I've already stated that I like the idea of Shawn Green and Troy Glaus coming to Boston in a potential Manny trade, and I love the idea of getting Santana instead of Vazquez based on AL Success, money concerns and youth-- but in your proposal you neglected to include why Anaheim would give up Santana.

 

The Mets seem to be HUGE winners getting Ramirez and Vazquez for Floyd and Millege. Unless they've got something going to Anaheim? It's a good start.

 

It'd be nice if Millege could end up in Boston too though-- as a potential Nixon replacement.

[Sizzlin22]

Can Glaus play first? He'd be a great edition here, out IF would be so stackedwith gloves. Not big on the whole .258 Ba though.

[schillingouttheks]

Well as long as people are talking about Lester's future in Boston with everything going on with Manny, I decided to ask Jim Callis on SportsNation on ESPN.com what he thought about Lester. He basically thinks Lester's going no where:

 

Zach (Boston, MA)

I've heard a lot of rumors about Lester's name being thrown around possibly in a trade combined with Manny. I'm not a big fan of this. What do you foresee in Jon Lester's future, AND how effective do you think he'll be down the stretch for this ball club?

 

JIM CALLIS

Lester would have gone in the aborted A-Rod trade with Texas, and the Marlins wanted him in the Beckett deal. But Zach, rest easy. I don't think Lester is going anywhere. He's a big, physical lefty who's close to ready for the majors and a potential star.

 

Hahah, no new information, but I just felt happy that he answered my question

[Manny Goes Boom]

Can Glaus play first? He'd be a great edition here, out IF would be so stackedwith gloves. Not big on the whole .258 Ba though.

 

Glaus probably could play first, hes got a nice glove. But at the plate he strikes out alot...and .258 BA is low.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I've already stated that I like the idea of Shawn Green and Troy Glaus coming to Boston in a potential Manny trade, and I love the idea of getting Santana instead of Vazquez based on AL Success, money concerns and youth-- but in your proposal you neglected to include why Anaheim would give up Santana.

 

The Mets seem to be HUGE winners getting Ramirez and Vazquez for Floyd and Millege. Unless they've got something going to Anaheim? It's a good start.

 

It'd be nice if Millege could end up in Boston too though-- as a potential Nixon replacement.

 

haha I noticed that after...completely left out Anaheim but I think I'm sick of predicting trades..

 

Everything I hear is the Red Sox do not want to trade Manny. This is strange considering they placed him on waivers several times and tried to get rid of him with nothing in return. Then again the free agents were more appealing. The more I look at the free agent list now I want to gag. I'm just not impressed and none of the deals we mention blow me away. If the Red Sox could sign Konerko then I would say a deal could happen but other than that I don't like the players we are mentioning.

 

As far as Troy Glaus....I'm not sure he can play 1st but I think his injuries wouldn't be such a problem. That may not be the case but its a possibility. I do remember John Henry's reaction to a question of Troy Glaus and Manny being involved in a trade....he laughed and looked at the reported as if it was the dumbest trade idea ever created.

 

.....I think the Red Sox are going to devote there time to keeping Manny as opposed to getting rid of him. Makes me sick thinking you need to suck up to a guy and make him feel more comfortable when he makes 20 million a year.

[Bostons_Finest]

Sox Get: Hafner n Coco Crisp

Guardians:Manny Wells maybe sum cash.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'd love to get Hafner. The problem is that the Guardians are going in a smart direction and I'm not sure I see them wrecking that by adding Manny's 20 million. Not to mention Wells wants to go to the West Coast so he wouldn't go to Cleveland. We would need a team sending the Guardians some real pitching talent in order for them to send us young batting stars in the making. Anaheim has lots of pitching talent....perhaps they could send pitching to Cleveland while we give Manny to Anaheim and Cleveland sends us Hafner or something....

 

one problem is the GM of Anaheim mentioned he is not interested in Manny.

[elsrbueno]

If there's any truth to this report by MLB.com:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051130&content_id=1274014&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

Manny to the Mets is basically dead.

[stocker323]

If there's any truth to this report by MLB.com:

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051130&content_id=1274014&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

 

Manny to the Mets is basically dead.

 

I seriously doubt that report, I think Minaya is dead set on making a run for it this year no matter how much he has to pay.

[jimmycarter05]

Sox Get: Hafner n Coco Crisp

Guardians:Manny Wells maybe sum cash.

 

 

hahaha that's not gonna happen, hafner and crisp aren't even making 1 million combined and manny and wells are making 20 and 4 million respectly...thats not going to happen

[yagmaster]

I merged these two threads beacuse people were posting the same posts in each and they were competing with each other.

[yeszir]

hahaha that's not gonna happen, hafner and crisp aren't even making 1 million combined and manny and wells are making 20 and 4 million respectly...thats not going to happen

Not to mention the fact that Cleveland hates Manny.

[jimmycarter05]

Now what do the Angels do?

 

Paul Konerko's decision to re-sign with the White Sox means the Angels still are looking for a middle-of-the-order hitter — someone like, ahem, Red Sox left fielder Manny Ramirez.

 

If the Angels were willing to commit five years and more than $60 million to Konerko, then they likely could absorb the remaining three years and $57 million on Ramirez's deal.

 

They've shown minimal interest in free-agent outfielder Brian Giles. They could pursue a trade for Phillies right fielder Bobby Abreu, perhaps offering reliever Scot Shields and prospects. But the Ramirez is by far the most attractive hitter available — more attractive than Konerko, frankly.

 

The Angels also need to address their rotation as they face the losses of free-agent left-hander Jarrod Washburn and right-hander Paul Byrd. But their farm system is so deep, they've got enough prospects to land Ramirez and A's left-hander Barry Zito, if A's general manager Billy Beane is willing to deal Zito within the division. Another option: Free-agent right-hander Jeff Weaver, the older brother of right-hander Jered Weaver, the Angels' No. 1 draft pick in 2004.

 

To defray the cost of adding Ramirez, the Angels could send the Red Sox other contracts — first baseman Darin Erstad, second baseman Adam Kennedy, center fielder Steve Finley, etc. They then could sweeten the package by including one or two of their choice youngsters.

 

The Angels are believed to be Ramirez's No. 1 choice — or one of his No. 1 choices, depending upon the day of the week and the alignment of the sun, moon and stars. The Mets are Ramirez's most fervent suitor, but privacy is a major issue for him in Boston and would be perhaps an even bigger concern in his hometown of New York.

 

Ramirez, 33, has complete no-trade protection as a player with 10 years of major-league service, five with the same club. That effectively gives him the right to choose his next team.

 

The Angels, always guarded in their pursuits, have not indicated whether they would even want Ramirez, whose personality quirks are well-documented. But in some ways, Ramirez is a more logical fit than Konerko would have been.

 

Ramirez could play left and Vladimir Guerrero right, with Garrett Anderson possibly shifting from left to center. Manager Mike Scioscia also could play Chone Figgins in center and use a DH rotation of Ramirez, Anderson and Figgins. First base would remain open for Casey Kotchman and perhaps Kendry Morales, another rising prospect.

 

Another option for the Angels would be free-agent center fielder Johnny Damon, but the team needs a slugger more than a leadoff hitter.

 

Konerko is gone. Ramirez looms

[schillingouttheks]

^^Where'd you get that from? Interesting.

[yankeessuck013]

Appears that omar is saying no to giving up milledge or heilamn, so it looks like a Manny to mets deal is even less likely.

 

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051130&content_id=1274014&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

 

Milledge IMO is a must for us to get for a Manny to NY trade to go through.

[stocker323]

Appears that omar is saying no to giving up milledge or heilamn, so it looks like a Manny to mets deal is even less likely.

 

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051130&content_id=1274014&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

 

Milledge IMO is a must for us to get for a Manny to NY trade to go through.

 

Yeah as I said in another thread or possibly this thread, I have the feeling that Minaya is still willing to give up both of them for Manny. I think Omar is serious about making a contender out of the Mets and the ownership has given him the ok to spend the money as they have their new TV network premiering soon.

[riverside sluggers]

Appears that omar is saying no to giving up milledge or heilamn, so it looks like a Manny to mets deal is even less likely.

 

yeah and also Floyd's name started to come up again. But since, it has been reported there is a no-trade clause in his contract. Boston is on his list of teams not to be traded to. He felt like he got the cold shoulder since they didnt resign him for the 2003 season.

[ksushi]

I don't like Lastings Milledge, I don't want this trade to send Manny to the mets. Milledge had a lot of problems with violence and things I don't really know a lot about in high school and hes got an attitude problem, but beyond all that stuff in like 300ish at bats for the St. Lucie Mets he hit 4 home runs and drove in like 30ish runs and hit less than 20 doubles. I think he hit about .300. I think thats accurate i looked it up the other night, i guess if you're motivated you can check me on that. Especially the at bats, I don't remember it might be more than that.

 

Thats all well and good, but if hes supposedly such an amazing prospects, I want more production than that. No way do i give up manny for him. I don't want Milledge to be the focal point of any deal with the red sox let alone a deal for manny.

[ManyOrtiz]

I agree. Not someone I want to get back for Manny. Honestly I still dont want to get anyone back for Manny. He's too good to let go. He will be happy again in two monthes. Keep him and let him and Ortiz tear it up again next year.

[Soxfan1]

Don't no if anyone has reported this but some dude made a site keepmanny.com

[example1]

I don't like Lastings Milledge, I don't want this trade to send Manny to the mets. Milledge had a lot of problems with violence and things I don't really know a lot about in high school and hes got an attitude problem, but beyond all that stuff in like 300ish at bats for the St. Lucie Mets he hit 4 home runs and drove in like 30ish runs and hit less than 20 doubles. I think he hit about .300. I think thats accurate i looked it up the other night, i guess if you're motivated you can check me on that. Especially the at bats, I don't remember it might be more than that.

 

Thats all well and good, but if hes supposedly such an amazing prospects, I want more production than that. No way do i give up manny for him. I don't want Milledge to be the focal point of any deal with the red sox let alone a deal for manny.

 

He IS only 20 years old. He hit .337 at AA Birmingham last year. When Carlos Beltran was 20 he was at single-A Wilmington. He played in 120 games and had 419 at bats. He hit .229 with an OBP of .311 and a SLG of .363. He hit 11 HR and knocked in 46 with 17 SBs.

 

I don't necessarily like the idea of Milledge for Manny. I've said before I don't want to lose Manny. But Milledge is every bit the prospect that Hanley Ramirez or Anibel Sanchez were. Its Heilman I don't have any interest in, personally.

[ksushi]

Well, I don't think that comparing him to beltran makes us trading manny for him any more palletable. To be honest, I could careless what he hits in double A. He doesn't have power, he doesn't even have a gap bat, I haven't heard rave reviews about his defense, but i havent heard its bad either all I have heard is that the Mets like him. Who cares?

 

PS. Randy Ruiz is hitting .349 in double A at the age of 20, and who the hell is he? More importantly, who cares? You can't judge a prospect by how well they hit alone. Milledge might be the next ricky henderson or something, but he isn't. He isn't the next Beltran either no matter what he hits. Hes supposedly a five tools guy but I only see him as maybe a 2 tooler with a bad attitude.

[Cityofchampions33]

Even if they did include Milledge, who IMO is going to be something special, it wouldn't be enough to satisfy me, not for the best RH hitter in the American League.

[ksushi]

what do you see in him that points to him being so good? just what you hear on espn and various articles on sites talking about how hes the mets best prospect?

[MC Hammer]

what do you see in him that points to him being so good? just what you hear on espn and various articles on sites talking about how hes the mets best prospect?

2005 stats: [A] .302 BA/ .385 OBP/ .418 SLG [AA] .304 BA/ .362 OBP/ .374 SLG

 

Milledge has shown the ability to do a little of everything, as evidenced by his 15 homers and 26 steals in his first full season last year.

 

The power hasn't come yet this year -- perhaps partly because he's playing in the pitching-friendly Florida State League, but he's still hitting around .300 with an OBP over .380. He's also swiped 17 bags (albeit with 13 caught stealing) for St. Lucie. After starting the year by hitting .216 in April, he's made adjustments and hit .329 in May and .306 in June.

http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/app/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050705&content_id=14320&vkey=news_milb&fext=.jsp

 

Thats not an article it's just a description of his stats.

 

I don't know if he'll be a star but at 20 years old he is ahead of the curve.

[riverside sluggers]

Rotoworld: Talks regarding Manny Ramirez between the Angels and Red Sox "intensified" yesterday after Paul Konerko chose the White Sox, the Boston Herald reports. The Red Sox would love to have both the Mets and the Angels involved in order to drive up the bidding, though they're probably disappointed that Brian Giles is no longer a possibility to replace Ramirez in left field. While the Angels probably won't make Ervin Santana, Scot Shields or Brandon Wood available in trade talks, they'd still have enough young talent to entice the Red Sox, starting with Casey Kotchman, Howie Kendrick and Nick Adenhart.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Those are still some good young players. Jared Weaver would be a nice name to get involved as well. I also was reading about a possible Manny for Bobby Abreu trade. Kinda makes sense but we would need a power righty.

[Beckett95]

Other players of potential interest to the Red Sox are first baseman Casey Kotchman, switch-hitting Kendry Morales, who can play first and the outfield, and second baseman Howie Kendrick.

from Boston Herald

 

Who are Kendry Morales and Howie Kendrick?? I think in order for manny to be traded to the angels we need atleast santana and kotchman and i guees you could take these two and trade them for a LF to replace manny.

[elsrbueno]

from Boston Herald

 

Who are Kendry Morales and Howie Kendrick?? I think in order for manny to be traded to the angels we need atleast santana and kotchman and i guees you could take these two and trade them for a LF to replace manny.

 

All I know is that Howie Kendrick and Kendry Morales both tore up AA last year, but of course that means very little when it comes to actually playing at the Major League level.

 

Casey Kotchman is closer to the bigs, but slugged .441 in AAA. Of course, he walked more than he struck out at Salt Lake so I'm sure that intreagues the Red Sox FO.

 

Adenhart was 2-3 with a 3.68 ERA in rookie ball last year. He has good K:9IP (10.63) and had a 2:1 K:BB ratio-- but this guy is years away from being a contributer in the big leagues.

 

If the Red Sox pulled trades for some combination of these prospects it would basically be a move looking toward building for the future.