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A few questions about these proposals.

What do we need Odalis Perez for? Papelbon, Schilling, Beckett, CLement, Arroyo, Wakefield...

Who replaces manny's bat in both of these trades? Cliff Floyd? Jeff Kent?

I'm not interested in any trade that doesn't give us a current major league power hitter. If he's not the caliber of Manny (or, not close to that caliber like, say, Delgado or Konerko) then I also expect a top prospect, a "franchise player" potential prospect. The Mets or the Dodgers or the Angels are getting THE WORLD when they get manny ramirez. He is a hall of famer, one of the best hitters of his generation.

 

Manny has averaged .85 RBI a game his entire career.

Now, I know that RBIs are not the best way of measuring a player's value. However, it IS true that the greatest hitters of all time had lots of RBI's. You can only get lots of RBI's by being a great hitter, so the two aren't totally unrelated.

 

Anyway, just for fun:

Hank Aaron (all time RBI leader): .70 RBI/G

Babe Ruth: .88 RBI/G

Lou Gherig: .92 RBI/G

Eddy Murray: .63 RBI/G

Barry Bonds: .68 RBI/G

 

If Manny plays in as many games as Bonds has, he will have passed Hank Aaron by 23 RBI's. Aaron would have played in 568 more games!!

 

I don't trade this guy lightly.

 

Awesome post, I agree. They are getting the world and thats why all along I say that we keep him. If we do trade him however, I've got a list of demands. Starting pitcher at or under the age of 25(ervin santana), and prospects good ones, OR Starting pitcher at or under the age of 25 and a slugger. I don't mean jeff kent, I don't mean cliff floyd, I mean an established and consistent major league slugger to the tune of carlos delgado, or konerko, or say beltran. Thats what I ask for Manny. I don't take .75cents on the dollar just because traditional wisdom says I would have to with the size of his contract. No way, jorge.

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I think Clement's playoff start against Chicago couldve been the straw that broke the camel's back for the Sox FO. Thats how it was with me anyway. If he does come back, he'll be on a short leash no doubt.

I guess I can see where you're coming from but I don't understand why you would trade Clement before Arroyo. First, Arroyo has more value because he's younger, and second, Arroyo has had more chances. I mean how many times do we need to watch this guy make a start where he can't locate his fastball the entire game? Watching Bronson pitch is like having your arm cut off 1 inch at a time. I like the guy, but I'm just sooooooo sick of watching him pitch for this team. If he's with the team next year then I'll deal with it, but I'd rather him be traded.

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Same can be said for Clement's slider from July to October was going all over the place. He was at top of the list with Arroyo in hit batters and was bruising up Varitek and Mirabelli because he became so inconsistent. Wild pitches abound. Clement also is owed around $18 million, extra money that can be freed up. Unlike Clement, Arroyo can be utilized out of the bullpen as a long innings reliever
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Same can be said for Clement's slider from July to October was going all over the place. He was at top of the list with Arroyo in hit batters and was bruising up Varitek and Mirabelli because he became so inconsistent. Wild pitches abound. Clement also is owed around $18 million, extra money that can be freed up. Unlike Clement, Arroyo can be utilized out of the bullpen as a long innings reliever

Theres a HUGE difference between not being able to locate a slider and not being able to locate a fastball. If you can't locate your fastball then you can't pitch in this league. I see the point as far as money is concerned, but do we really need to save money? Why all the sudden is there this huge push to spend less money? I'd rather have a better team than a cheaper team. Maybe sending Arroyo to the bullpen is what he needs, but watching him pitch is just far too frustrating.

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Who said anything about spending less money?

 

extra money can be freed up as in to help IMO signing free agents such as Johnny Damon

 

Same can be said for Clement's slider from July to October was going all over the place. He was at top of the list with Arroyo in hit batters and was bruising up Varitek and Mirabelli because he became so inconsistent. Wild pitches abound. Clement also is owed around $18 million, extra money that can be freed up. Unlike Clement, Arroyo can be utilized out of the bullpen as a long innings reliever

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dude omg its money that can be freed up to help sign free agents. thats not spending less money, thats freeing up moeny that can be used elsewhere for better purposes. IMO Clement does not have a long shelf life with Boston
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dude omg its money that can be freed up to help sign free agents. thats not spending less money, thats freeing up moeny that can be used elsewhere for better purposes. IMO Clement does not have a long shelf life with Boston

Well it is spending less money until you respend it on FAs so calm down.

 

I agree that after last season Clement is likely done in Boston sooner than later.

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Rotoworld: The Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch believes the Mets would give up Cliff Floyd, Lastings Milledge and Aaron Heilman for Manny Ramirez if the Red Sox would absorb a portion of Ramirez's salary. If the Red Sox could really get all three, they should be willing to eat some salary. Floyd is only signed through next season at $6.6 million, so he's rather attractive. Discussions between the two teams are expected to continue at the winter meetings.

 

Cliff Floyd is a possibility considering for some reason this past week the Mets have traded for Tike Redman, who is a career utility outfielder at best. I hadnt thought of him before in a trade. He can hit for power and drive in runs. As some of you may know Floyd was a Red Sox for half of the 2002 season, hitting .316 with them.

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i dont agree with trading manny either, but i think it will happen. I also think there is a good chance at trading away Clement, Wells and possibly Arroyo.
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Just like Pedro was the best pitcher we've ever had (except maybe Clemens, but Pedro in his prime was better than Rocket was with us), Manny is the best hitter we've had in recent memory, probably since Ted Williams (the best hitter of all time). We lost Pedro last offseason and our pitching struggled mightily; it was our biggest weakness. Now if we go right ahead and get rid of Manny (granted, we will be getting something for Manny unlike losing Pedro to free agency), I think our offense will struggle as well. Can Ortiz carry an offense without the help from another slugger? I hope so, but I'm not sure. If we do in fact get good value for Manny (Adam Dunn, for example), it won't be as big of a deal, and in fact could be beneficial, but I would still love to see Manny in Boston again. If that can't work, I just hope we don't just throw him to some team but get good value for Manny, one of the best hitters of all time.
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Just like Pedro was the best pitcher we've ever had (except maybe Clemens, but Pedro in his prime was better than Rocket was with us), Manny is the best hitter we've had in recent memory, probably since Ted Williams (the best hitter of all time). We lost Pedro last offseason and our pitching struggled mightily; it was our biggest weakness. Now if we go right ahead and get rid of Manny (granted, we will be getting something for Manny unlike losing Pedro to free agency), I think our offense will struggle as well. Can Ortiz carry an offense without the help from another slugger? I hope so, but I'm not sure. If we do in fact get good value for Manny (Adam Dunn, for example), it won't be as big of a deal, and in fact could be beneficial, but I would still love to see Manny in Boston again. If that can't work, I just hope we don't just throw him to some team but get good value for Manny, one of the best hitters of all time.

 

Honestly, I think the Red Sox are prepared to call Manny's bluff if they don't get good value in trade for him. For a team that is looking to build for the present and the future, I wouldn't be surprised if he was dealt for top prospects, but I seriously doubt this would be a salary dump move.

 

The Red Sox know that Manny will be forfeiting a lot of money if he truly does sit out if not traded..... and we all know how much Manny loves Money.....

 

I'd say it's a 70% chance he's traded, and I think the Red Sox will get decent value for him.

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I understand the argument on why the Mets wouldn't trade him and thats fine. I have been mentioning this since the midseason trade deadline. There is a huge difference in money...yes. The really like David Wright...yes. They won't give up David Wright...fine. We won't give up Manny. In order to reciever top talent you need to get back top talent. There is nothing that says Lastings Milledge is going to be great and he certainly won't help this season. The only other players I would be interested in from the Mets are Carlos Beltran and Jose Reyes. I don't like any of there pitchers and I'm not excited about Nady, Diaz, Floyd, etc....these are all mediocre players. Why give up a top hitter for several mediocre guys. No they would have to give up Wright or construct a deal somewhere else that brings in something of Manny caliber to us. If they dont....then there should be no reason they walk off with Manny.
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There's no way that happens. The Marlins are looking to build their future franchise around the likes of D-Train and Cabrera. Besides, giving up Papelbon AND Manny AND cash is way too much on our part. If we are trading Manny, we have to look for a fair trade and get what we rightfully should in return. Besides, the Marlins aren't THAT desperate anymore for dumping salary.

 

EDIT: After thinking this through, the more I tend to like it. My bad on thinking we give too much up. But it still won't happen because the D-Train and Cabrera are the "untouchables" of Marlins, if you will.

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Truth is I honestly don't know why he wants out, there's no good reason. If it's lack of privacy, move out of the f***in' Ritz in the middle of Boston. It can't be the media, becuase if he's willing to go to NY the media is just as bad there, It's not his family, because if he's willing to go to NY he'd be closer to his family, this guy makes absolutely no sense.
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exactly Lester is looking like the real deal, barring anything happening he will make his major league debut in the 2nd half of 2006. Is also a lock so far to be an opening day 2007 starter

He's a lock? I disagree. Beckett will be unless Papelbon proves superiority, or unless we get someone else. You do realize you're saying that in ONE year, we will be talking about Lester starting our next regular season game?

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