Ramirez Asks For Trade (merged)

[Sizzlin22]

Beltrans salary is as high as Manny's I don't want him. I have not seen any offers that give equal value. I vote we keep him.

[guapo34]

Agreed, Beltran really had an awful year last year and hes under contract for a long time.

[ksushi]

I don't think this is about the salary. The sox could live with that, it only becomes about the salary if another team wants us to pay his way. This move is about trading a guy who supposedly at the moment does not want to be a red sox. Plain and simple. I would do it for beltran and a pitcher.

[guapo34]

Have you looked at Beltrans numbers last year?

[Cityofchampions33]

Have you looked at Beltrans numbers last year?

 

Not only that, everyone forgets that Beltran was touted as a 5 tool player, and that he's a .280 guy who can hit for power, run, and is good defensively. So really last year wasn't all that off for him, and that contract is based solely on his playoff year.

[MANNYHOF24]

True Beltran was way overrated, he shouldnt have gotten a huge contract like he did

[yagmaster]

Carlos Beltran is an elite player in the MLB and has been for years. He had a bad season last after signing a huge contract with a new team. That is not unusual for players; I guarantee he puts up more typical numbers next season, be it for the Mets or any other team.

[ksushi]

He was overrated, but I think his stock is falling alittle bit too fast. He is a good ball player and he had one bad year adjusting to a big market team after playing for two teams that weren't that at all. He's a good ball player, if we get a pitcher or a pitching prospect with any kind of good reputation, i think that deal is a no brainer. Fills the damon gap, gives us production in return for Manny, and then we pull the trigger on a reed deal and we've stumbled onto a pretty decent team, albeit a very different team. Who knows, maybe we even sign Damon and have a seriously speedy team, maybe package nixon for a pitcher or 1st baseman, and clement for reed. That could make me happy.

 

Does anyone know the exact terms of Beltrans contact?

[ahhchon]

Carlos Beltran is an elite player in the MLB and has been for years. QUOTE]

 

you've got to be kidding me.

 

john

[BoSox84]

He seems like a guy who will hit you 20+ HR's and drive in around 100 RBI's but as far as average goes he is really inconsistent, I wouldnt call him elite just yet

 

Beltrans stats past five seasons

2001- .306 24 HR's 101 RBI's .362 OBP

2002- .273 29 HR's 105 RBI's .346 OBP

2003- .307 26 HR's 100 RBI's .389 OBP

2004 (KC)- .278 15 HR's 51 RBI's .367 OBP

2004- (Hou)- .258 23 HR's 53 RBI's .368 OBP

2005- .266 16 HR's 78 RBI's .330 OBP

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

If you placed Beltran ahead of Ortiz in the batting lineup I can guarantee he would put up decent numbers. Not to mention he would be playing most games in Fenway park. Ortiz makes great contact too so you could send Beltran a lot bringing up his stolen bases (provided he is healthy).

 

All of this, however, does not mean I would take Beltran over Manny Ramirez.

[SuperManny]

Beltran also plays great D in CF and has the highest SB% in the history of MLB. Hes pretty damn good and outside of Tejada hes the best player you could possibly get for Manny. If you really want/need to move Manny than hes one of the best you could get. Hes younger and plays great D at a more important position than Manny. Manny is still better overall but Beltran played in a pitchers park last year and moving to a hitters park and put in front of Ortiz I think he would have a fine year. Personally I wouldnt trade Manny for him but if your going to trade Manny you could do much worse.

[ahhchon]

carlos beltran for manny would be one of the worst trades ever. you're trading arguable the best hitter in the game who plays an average left field for an above average cf and an overrated hitter.

 

the guy had an obp of .330 last year, ops was a terrible 774. god he was awful. mike lowell had as many doubles as he did. when you only get on base 192 times in 582 at bats you shouldn't be stealing bases. he was caught 6 times last season.

 

anyone that knows anything about baseball knows that rbi is a garbage stat. you could have bonds batting 4th and end up with zero rbi's all season if the first 3 batters were my grandparents. rbi's depend (a very great deal) on the people that are in front of you.

 

you don't need to steal bases when papi is batting behind you, ask manny! beltran is overrated, overpaid and overhyped. the media talked about him as if he was the next barry bonds. the mets signed him to a huge contract so they could draw more fans to the stadium. he'll score 100+ runs this season, but that won't be because of his SB%, it'll be due to carlos delgado.

 

john

[riverside sluggers]

I dont think trade ideas should really be discussed anymore as it is looking like close to 100% likely Manny will be in a red sox uniform on opening day.

[schillingouttheks]

I dont think trade ideas should really be discussed anymore as it is looking like close to 100% likely Manny will be in a red sox uniform on opening day.

Is it just me or am I the only one who could see Manny just randomly not showing up if he still feels as strongly about Boston as he does now?

[riverside sluggers]

agree that Manny could show up whenever he feels like it. His wife, "Yoko" Ramirez probably already has a schedule down if he stays in Boston

[a700hitter]

Hopefully, Manny will show up on time and act professionally. He hasn't liked Boston since he first signed, but he has maintained his professionalism albeit with a few Manny moments. If his situation has become so intolerable that he dooesn't show for spring camp, that could really get ugly, e.g., fines, etc. The Players Union might also end up getting involved. It could be a real circus. Big Papi could be a key factor in keeping Manny's head on straight.

[schillingouttheks]

True about Papi, but let's remember, it was Papi who said Manny would "definitely" not return to Boston for '06. Which makes me wonder if he really knows what he's talking about half the time.

 

Granted, they are friends, I think Papi will help Manny out. Manny needs to suck it up and play in Boston. When he signed here 5 years ago he knew what he was getting himself into. He makes 20 million a year, and for that kind of money, the least he could do, is play the amount of time he's supposed to, and where he signed. He's getting PAID to play baseball. So do it!

[Manny Ramirez]

I do not think Manny will be traded this Off-Season.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

this thread should just be at the top of the board permanently until manny is gone

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

December 22, 2005 -- The Mets say they are currently monitoring the Manny Ramirez situation with the Red Sox. That's another way of saying there is absolutely nothing brewing — for now.

But Boston's bungling of the Johnny Damon negotiations has made Ramirez, the Red Sox left fielder, even more angry, a source said yesterday, and he's now open to a trade to the Mets.

 

However, the Mets haven't engaged in serious talks with the Red Sox since Boston's new front-office structure was announced earlier this month, and the two teams didn't talk yesterday. The Mets believe it will be more difficult to pull off a trade now that Damon is out of Boston.

 

If the Mets were highly interested in making a deal, they could approach Ramirez's agents beforehand and ask if he would waive his no-trade clause. However, they haven't done that this winter, sources said.

 

That's because the Mets weren't sure whether Ramirez truly wants to play for them, but he would strongly consider waiving his no-trade clause and coming to New York, a source confirmed yesterday.

 

Earlier this year, Ramirez made it known he prefers to be traded to the Angels or Mariners. He also would be willing to go to Baltimore, according to a source.

 

Now the hard part is making the deal. Ramirez is one of the few remaining run producers in Boston's lineup, so it would be hard to let him go.

 

 

 

However, there are other glaring holes the Red Sox desperately need to fill; Damon's exit leaves Boston without a center fielder. The Red Sox already were missing a shortstop and first baseman.

 

Before Damon's exit became official, co-GM Ben Cherington addressed the issue Tuesday afternoon.

 

"Our position is the same as it's been all along," Cherington reportedly said during a conference call. "I think we have a pretty good idea of what Manny's value to our team is.

 

"We're trying to accommodate his request by listening to teams in terms of what they would offer for Manny. We haven't gotten to a point where we feel that we're getting something that was of equal value in return.

 

"In our perception we're not getting equal value in return, so therefore nothing's happened. We also continue to talk to Manny and his representatives and continue to work on flushing out the issues that he has. That's an ongoing process."

 

People close to Ramirez said they feel that Boston's front office is in chaos, and that the team's efforts to repair the relationship is overblown.

 

The Mets have told people that Carlos Beltran will not be traded, even if Ramirez is the prize.

 

In other Mets news, the team contacted the agent for pitcher Chad Bradford, who was non-tendered by Boston on Tuesday. The Mets already have expressed interest in relievers Julian Tavarez and Jeff Nelson.

 

The agent for outfielder Eric Byrnes, who was non-tendered by Baltimore, plans to reach out to the Mets if they don't call him first. And the Mets remain convinced Barry Zito won't be moved by Oakland.

 

michael.morrissey@nypost.com

[jimmycarter05]

Maybe there will be some blockbuster trade between us and Seattle;

 

Red Sox:

Richie Sexson

Raul Ibanez

 

Seattle:

Manny

 

Or if you want to be creative, then we can throw in either Arroyo or Clement for Reed, but with this trade it would make Youk more tradeable. Maybe instead of Reed we could get Torri Hunter, I dunno, I like Reed alot though

[schillingouttheks]

Sexson either K's, or hits HRs. He's an Adam Dunn kinda guy.

[jimmycarter05]

Sexson either K's, or hits HRs. He's an Adam Dunn kinda guy.

 

 

I can live with those guys because their OBP is usally anywhere from .370-.390 with 40 HRs and 100+ RBIs and is long is they're giving me that kind of production I can take them striking out 130 times a year.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

the thing that sucks about those kind of players is that they tend to be a feast or famine kind of guys that usually have a habit of taking the collar or otherwise unable to come through when you need them to get that clutch hit.

[elsrbueno]

Maybe there will be some blockbuster trade between us and Seattle;

 

Red Sox:

Richie Sexson

Raul Ibanez

 

Seattle:

Manny

 

Or if you want to be creative, then we can throw in either Arroyo or Clement for Reed, but with this trade it would make Youk more tradeable. Maybe instead of Reed we could get Torri Hunter, I dunno, I like Reed alot though

 

Not a bad start, like I've always said, Manny cannot be replaced by one player. That having been said, I've also said superstars don't win championships, TEAMS do. If we can strengthen our other glaring holes by trading Manny Ramirez, by all means do it.

 

A trade with Seattle should certainly include Jeremy Reed. He's the kind of player the Sox need (athletic, young, good defensively). I would be willing to talk to Seattle about a package that looks like the following:

 

Seattle gets:

Manny Ramirez

Matt Clement

Cash

 

Boston Gets:

Richie Sexson

Jeremy Reed

Raul Ibanez

Jose Lopez

 

I still think trading Manny Ramirez has got to make strides towards making this team both younger, cheaper, and more athletic. The Richie Sexson's and Raul Ibanez' of the world help recreate Manny's run production, but what Jeremy Reed and Jose Lopez do is help rebuild the young core of this team. This is a lot to give up for Seattle, but they're getting a decent starting pitcher, the best right handed hitter in the game, and some help financially for the burden of those guys.

 

2006 Red Sox lineup after that trade:

2B Mark Loretta

CF Jeremy Reed

1B Richie Sexson

DH David Ortiz

3B Mike Lowell

RF Trot Nixon

C Jason Varitek

LF Raul Ibanez

SS Lopez/Graffanino/Cora

 

Again, it doesn't have the 1-2 punch of Manny-Ortiz, but you're then looking at a DEEPER lineup (with 20 HR guys 5-8) which IMO is much more powerful. This lineup above IMO is better than what it is right now:

 

2B Mark Loretta

SS Tony Graffanino/Alex Cora

DH David Ortiz

LF Manny Ramirez

RF Trot Nixon

3B Mike Lowell

C Jason Varitek

1B Kevin Youkilis

CF Adam Stern?? David Murphy??

[natsfan]

An outsider's view of the Johnny Damon signing at awesomeinc.blogspot.com

[riverside sluggers]

um natsfan, no offense, but why dont you try posting anything other than copying and pasting the same post?

[jimmycarter05]

Not a bad start, like I've always said, Manny cannot be replaced by one player. That having been said, I've also said superstars don't win championships, TEAMS do. If we can strengthen our other glaring holes by trading Manny Ramirez, by all means do it.

 

A trade with Seattle should certainly include Jeremy Reed. He's the kind of player the Sox need (athletic, young, good defensively). I would be willing to talk to Seattle about a package that looks like the following:

 

Seattle gets:

Manny Ramirez

Matt Clement

Cash

 

Boston Gets:

Richie Sexson

Jeremy Reed

Raul Ibanez

Jose Lopez

 

I still think trading Manny Ramirez has got to make strides towards making this team both younger, cheaper, and more athletic. The Richie Sexson's and Raul Ibanez' of the world help recreate Manny's run production, but what Jeremy Reed and Jose Lopez do is help rebuild the young core of this team. This is a lot to give up for Seattle, but they're getting a decent starting pitcher, the best right handed hitter in the game, and some help financially for the burden of those guys.

 

2006 Red Sox lineup after that trade:

2B Mark Loretta

CF Jeremy Reed

1B Richie Sexson

DH David Ortiz

3B Mike Lowell

RF Trot Nixon

C Jason Varitek

LF Raul Ibanez

SS Lopez/Graffanino/Cora

 

Again, it doesn't have the 1-2 punch of Manny-Ortiz, but you're then looking at a DEEPER lineup (with 20 HR guys 5-8) which IMO is much more powerful. This lineup above IMO is better than what it is right now:

 

2B Mark Loretta

SS Tony Graffanino/Alex Cora

DH David Ortiz

LF Manny Ramirez

RF Trot Nixon

3B Mike Lowell

C Jason Varitek

1B Kevin Youkilis

CF Adam Stern?? David Murphy??

 

 

 

I like your trade, but not one of the people in it, Jose Lopez has a .956 FP at SS, so in your trade I'd replace him with Julio Mateo. Another interesting trade that I thought of would be to trade Trot Nixon to the Nats for Jose Vidro and Ryan Church. He's a great hitter (career .302 average) and a above average fielder (career .983 FP). We could have him play 2b, and Loretta at SS and have Church play RF. Just a thought though.

[yankeessuck013]

I just heard a rumor On XM Radio, in this trade:

 

Braves Get: Manny Ramirez, Keith Foulke

Red Sox Get: Andruw Jones, Kelly Johnson