Bye Bye Mel

[yankeessuck013]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2189283

 

He made some good comments in this article, and really showed the kind of guy that George really is.

[Pinstripe_Pride]

Yeah, it's going to be wierd not seeing him aside Joe Torre. First Torre loses Zimmer, now Mel. Uh oh.

[RedRuffing15]

I like Mel, All I wonder is who'll replace him, he was great here, and hope he can find work somewhere else

 

(I mean, hes the reason why Aaron Small went 10-0)

 

As for George, I felt the same thing about the comment, like it was a slap in Torries face, but this has been his most gurling year, regular season that is, so far I think, and I don't really take much to what Steinbrenner says, though I love him, hes got a fast mouth

[BoSox84]

Yeah, it's going to be wierd not seeing him aside Joe Torre. First Torre loses Zimmer, now Mel. Uh oh.

 

And there is talk of Joe Girardi taking the Tampa job. Good article.

[jimmycarter05]

this isn't good at all because the yankees are going to bribe the best pitching coach in baseball, leo mazzone...he said he'd leave altanta in a heartbeat for the right amount of money

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I like Mel but he really didnt say anything that we did'nt know already about George and the "Tampa braintrust".

I thought he was at his best when he worked with guys like Small and Wang because they were the same kind of pitcher he was. They were all sinker/slider pitchers.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

and this is just one of more things to come. This will be a wild off-season for the Yankees. Not only are they facing some personal decisions but there is a power struggle going on within.

[Optimist]

This really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone...

[Optimist]

Hopefully, Sojo will find his way off the Yankee bench by next spring too.

[schillingouttheks]

Haha, I remember Sojo getting at bats as a Yankee. I think I wet my pants a few times laughing so hard at a guy like him in the batters' box.

[MC Hammer]

Hey Mel, the Pirates are looking for a new Pitching coach :lol:

[Sizzlin22]

Yeah, it's going to be wierd not seeing him aside Joe Torre. First Torre loses Zimmer, now Mel. Uh oh.

I don't see why seeing Mel go would make any Yankee fan say Uh-oh. The guy has to be one of the worst pitching coachs in the history of baseball.

 

I was praying they would keep him so he could screw up some more pitchers.

[Boogie]

Mel turned Chacon and Small into good pitchers, but took the potential ace, who actually had good stuff, Jeff Weaver and f***ed him up.

[Pinstripe_Pride]

I don't see why seeing Mel go would make any Yankee fan say Uh-oh. The guy has to be one of the worst pitching coachs in the history of baseball.

 

I was praying they would keep him so he could screw up some more pitchers.

 

Yes but Joe Torre said once in a interview that he trusts Mel wholeheartedly and that he wants him to stay. That makes me say uh-oh because I hope Joe can get along with whoever they choose as the new coach as well as he got along with Mel.

[Soxfan1]

Joe Kerrigan is a canidate as his succesor.

[ARod2212]

I don't see why seeing Mel go would make any Yankee fan say Uh-oh. The guy has to be one of the worst pitching coachs in the history of baseball.

 

I was praying they would keep him so he could screw up some more pitchers.

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051013&content_id=1248934&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

haha, I did not see this one coming.

 

Since he became pitching coach in 1996, the Yankees pitchers rank first in ERA, OPP BA, Saves, Shutouts, WHIP, Strikeouts and Wins. Can't be that bad.

[26 to 6]

I don't see why seeing Mel go would make any Yankee fan say Uh-oh. The guy has to be one of the worst pitching coachs in the history of baseball.

 

I was praying they would keep him so he could screw up some more pitchers.

I would argue with you to the death on tha statement...if it wasnt so late and I wasnt so tired.

 

But thats ludicrous to say that hes been "one of the worst pitching coaches". I think its pretty reasonable to say that he is better than Wallace.

 

 

Mel turned Chacon and Small into good pitchers, but took the potential ace, who actually had good stuff, Jeff Weaver and f***ed him up.

um...he didnt f*** up Jeff Weaver. What f***ed up Jeff Weaver is that hes a little surfer boy from the sunny shores of Southern California and was scared shitless in the biggest urban environtment on the face of the earth. He was probably thinking "I think im going to sleep here tonight, I dont want to walk out of the stadium and get shot on my way to the car."

 

Some guys cant play in NY, some can..that was the case with Weaver.

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IM sad to see Mel go, but this isnt a surprise as he declared before the season that this would be it for him. His likely successors are Joe Kerrigan and Neil Allen.

 

Good point made earlier regarding the fact that Joe has lost both Zim and Mel now.

[26 to 6]

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20051013&content_id=1248934&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

haha, I did not see this one coming.

 

Since he became pitching coach in 1996, the Yankees pitchers rank first in ERA, OPP BA, Saves, Shutouts, WHIP, Strikeouts and Wins. Can't be that bad.

thank you

[schillingouttheks]

Joe Kerrigan

[26 to 6]

And there is talk of Joe Girardi taking the Tampa job. Good article.

Na, Girardi is going to get the Florida job...I guarantee it

 

more on possible successors for Mel: http://www.newsday.com/sports/printedition/ny-spyanks134467411oct13,0,2103023.story?page=2&coll=ny-sports-print

[ARod2212]

Leo Mazzone!!! Please?

[Sizzlin22]

Since he became pitching coach in 1996, the Yankees pitchers rank first in ERA, OPP BA, Saves, Shutouts, WHIP, Strikeouts and Wins. Can't be that bad.

Yeah but he had pitchers like Pettite, Rocket, Mussina, Wells, guys who had already proven themselves and were already bona fide pitchers. Guys who he actually had to work with and help with mechanics such as Jose Contrares (sp?) or Jeff Weaver who were terrible with the Yankees, then left and and had sucsess with other teams.

 

He's really not that good of a pitching coach.

[He Hate Me]

ugh Kerrigan? Why don't they just hire Sveum to be the 3rd base coach also. and make Grady Little the new hitting coach. f***ing George and his ******** Alpha male act

[He Hate Me]

Yeah but he had pitchers like Pettite, Rocket, Mussina, Wells, guys who had already proven themselves and were already bona fide pitchers. Guys who he actually had to work with and help with mechanics such as Jose Contrares (sp?) or Jeff Weaver who were terrible with the Yankees, then left and and had sucsess with other teams.

 

He's really not that good of a pitching coach.

 

If you were from NY, you would know that Contreras got messed up by Billy Connors who is part of the Tampa Bay office which knows nothign about baseball but does kiss as to George. Jeff Weaver is the same thing, Mel works with these guys, then Tampa Bay front office decides to send em down for special training by Billy Connors who, despite all his supposed credentials, the fat bastard has never advanced higher than bullpen coach in the majors.

[26 to 6]

Yeah but he had pitchers like Pettite, Rocket, Mussina, Wells, guys who had already proven themselves and were already bona fide pitchers. Guys who he actually had to work with and help with mechanics such as Jose Contrares (sp?) or Jeff Weaver who were terrible with the Yankees, then left and and had sucsess with other teams.

 

He's really not that good of a pitching coach.

Um...Pettitte was NOT proven in 1996 when Mel got a hold of him, Rocket was obviously proven but still to this day he declares that the best pitching coach he's ever had was Mel (and I think he knows a little bit more about what makes a pitching coach a good pitching coach than you do), Muusina was also proven, but I dont think you can dispute that he improved vastly after coming over. Wells as well, was obviously proven, but learned and improved a lot. And he too still says that Mel was the best pitching coach he's ever worked with.

[ARod2212]

The numbers are there, and based on a 10 year span. Pitching coach deserves a lot of credit for it.

[yankeessuck013]

The Diamondbacks are expected to interview outgoing Yankees pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre. While he technically may be under contract, Stottlemyre already has resigned from his Yankees position.

[Sizzlin22]

Um...Pettitte was NOT proven in 1996 when Mel got a hold of him, Rocket was obviously proven but still to this day he declares that the best pitching coach he's ever had was Mel (and I think he knows a little bit more about what makes a pitching coach a good pitching coach than you do), Muusina was also proven, but I dont think you can dispute that he improved vastly after coming over. Wells as well, was obviously proven, but learned and improved a lot. And he too still says that Mel was the best pitching coach he's ever worked with.

Ok Pettite may not have been proven but I don't believe Mel had much to do with it. Not to mention they all looked better because they all had each other around them along with that booming offense.

 

All I'm saying is since about 1998 Mel has done nothing to show me that he is a good pitching coach.

[jimmycarter05]

Leo Mazzone!!! Please?

 

 

yeah the yankees are going to bribe him to death

[26 to 6]

Im probably in the minority here, but Mazzone is not my first choice. My first choices are Righetti and Guidry. Mazzone is a Brave and he should stay that way. Him and Bobby Cox work magic together and I think that has somethign to do with their success.

 

Both Rags and Gator know what it's like here, both are very well liked and respected here, and I think both would do a good job here.

 

All I'm saying is since about 1998 Mel has done nothing to show me that he is a good pitching coach.

What exactly does a pitching coach have to do to determine if he is good or not. Personally, if great pitchers (Clemens, Wells, etc.) are stating that he is the best that they've ever had then I will go with them.

 

Im not saying hes the best oitching coach ever, because clearly he's not. He wasnt even the best pitching coach of the last 10 years, that was Mazzone without a doubt, but Mel is nowhere's near as bad as you guys make him out to be.