Who's On first in 2006?

[BigPapiEnFuego]

You think he can't do it?

 

Darin Erstad did it. plus i think griffey played some games at first.

[guybo]

Griffey won't stay healthy. The worst thing you can do for your team is to bring in a guy who will spend half the season on the DL.

 

 

Of course I support Millar and slam on Renteria. Millar in 2005 is a better player. Don't coment here, take it to the Millar vs. Renteria thread in the Fights & Crap forum I'll be posting in a minute.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

You think he can't do it?

 

Darin Erstad did it. plus i think griffey played some games at first.

At 12 million a year, injury prone, never played position, and will cost prospects. I don't thinkk so.

[Sizzlin22]

I liek the sound of Helton, he's actually said he's always wanted to play in Boston.

[BoSox21]

Helton in Boston would be absolutely sick. I'd love it

[Sizzlin22]

The only problem I may have with it is he is getting a little older.

[MC Hammer]

You guys sound like you're talking about the '04 Helton. He's no longer the great player he once was. He's still pretty productive, and hits for a good average, but for his salary I think you'd have to be insane to trade for him at this point.

 

You could get Daryle Ward from the Pirates, and get the same power numbers as Helton for $11,650,000 less. I don't think Tito would be foolish enough to take on Helton's salary. And this is coming from someone who loves Todd Helton.

 

Of course I support Millar and slam on Renteria. Millar in 2005 is a better player. Don't coment here, take it to the Millar vs. Renteria thread in the Fights & Crap forum I'll be posting in a minute.

 

 

... I think I just wet my pants

[riverside sluggers]

I know that my wish list conceives of Sox signing either Paul Konerko or Aubrey Huff to be new 1st baseman, Tony G's contract is extended and is starting 2nd baseman with Pedroia as backup (Mueller/Youk type of deal, let the rookie learn from the veteran)

[elsrbueno]

You think he can't do it?

 

Darin Erstad did it. plus i think griffey played some games at first.

 

I like the way you think. I know I said the same thing about Johnny Damon awhile back because it might save his health and body.

 

Ken Griffey Jr at first is a very interesting idea. First of all, Ken Griffey should be in the American league. A guy with his injury history would be greatly helped by having the option of DHing once in a while. Plus, he could still play some games in the outfield (left field at Fenway requires very little range-- hell, Manny Ramirez does it), and he could be eased into the first base position by playing some 1B, some OF, some DH.

 

Would come cheaper than Konerko but more expensive than Huff probably. I'd do that if Cincinnati didn't ask for premier talent in return-- and they might be interested in just getting out from underneath that contract.

 

Of course, only do it if we can find a sucker to take Manny Ramirez.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I like the way you think. I know I said the same thing about Johnny Damon awhile back because it might save his health and body.

 

Ken Griffey Jr at first is a very interesting idea. First of all, Ken Griffey should be in the American league. A guy with his injury history would be greatly helped by having the option of DHing once in a while. Plus, he could still play some games in the outfield (left field at Fenway requires very little range-- hell, Manny Ramirez does it), and he could be eased into the first base position by playing some 1B, some OF, some DH.

 

Would come cheaper than Konerko but more expensive than Huff probably. I'd do that if Cincinnati didn't ask for premier talent in return-- and they might be interested in just getting out from underneath that contract.

 

Of course, only do it if we can find a sucker to take Manny Ramirez.

Sorry but I have to disagree. There is no way you're going to get a "super star " ( at least in their mind ) to accept a part time role or demotion, which is exactly what it would be in their mind. Can I mention Payton, Roberts, etc. These guys do not and will not accept that they can't cut it as studs anymore. Why do you think the roids crap go going.

[elsrbueno]

Sorry but I have to disagree. There is no way you're going to get a "super star " ( at least in their mind ) to accept a part time role or demotion, which is exactly what it would be in their mind. Can I mention Payton, Roberts, etc. These guys do not and will not accept that they can't cut it as studs anymore. Why do you think the roids crap go going.

 

With Manny on another team, you could easily find enough playing time for Griffey. Of course, if we're still stuck with Manny that doesn't happen and I said that. However, if you gave a guy like him a "rest" by playing him at DH a couple times a week, he probably woudn't complain. Under that plan I proposed Griffey would eventually become the everyday man at first base.

 

It's a VERY unlikely plan considering that he'd probably cost too much talent given the risk involved, and Theo and company tend not to take risks. I don't think the Red Sox would want any part of Griffey or even Thome given the injury factor.

 

I'd still love to see the Sox continue the youth movement and try Kevin Youkilis at first base fulltime and sign Mueller to a 1 year, incentive deal for 2007. That would free up money (that some are proposing we spend on a higher priced first baseman) for making sure Johnny Damon stays, and getting re-enforcements for the pitching staff. In my mind, those are bigger priorities than first base.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

With Manny on another team, you could easily find enough playing time for Griffey. Of course, if we're still stuck with Manny that doesn't happen and I said that. However, if you gave a guy like him a "rest" by playing him at DH a couple times a week, he probably woudn't complain. Under that plan I proposed Griffey would eventually become the everyday man at first base.

 

It's a VERY unlikely plan considering that he'd probably cost too much talent given the risk involved, and Theo and company tend not to take risks. I don't think the Red Sox would want any part of Griffey or even Thome given the injury factor.

 

I'd still love to see the Sox continue the youth movement and try Kevin Youkilis at first base fulltime and sign Mueller to a 1 year, incentive deal for 2007. That would free up money (that some are proposing we spend on a higher priced first baseman) for making sure Johnny Damon stays, and getting re-enforcements for the pitching staff. In my mind, those are bigger priorities than first base.

I agree with what you're saying in principle ( and I love to play what if ), but I also have to balance it with reality. Jr. in his younger days nixed many deals to teams he didn't want to play for. At the same time he said that one of the teams he'd never play for would be the Red Sox. As far as Damon goes, I love to keep him. Unfortunately, if you look at his past, who his agent is, and the fact that he will be the premier free agent next year, I think the Sox will make an effort but will not be held hostage again. He's going to demand a 4 to 4 year contract at 12 -14 million. There is no way the Sox will go with that. Years are too long ( especially given injuries and age ) and money is way to big. So my premise is that they already know that signing Damon is probably not an option. Hence, they now need a good CF. There is crap on the free agent market. So, must be a trade on call up. I don't think we have anything ready in the minors, so trade. The obvious one is trade Manny to the Mets for Cameron and prospects ( next year the Mets lose Piaza salaty of $ 17 Million ).This now solves are CF problem, stocks our minors, and provides financial flexiblity. One move might be to get Huff and play him in left ( I like him becaue he play 1st, 3rd, and corner outfield ). Maybe Konerko and or a top line pitcher.

[elsrbueno]

I agree with what you're saying in principle ( and I love to play what if ), but I also have to balance it with reality. Jr. in his younger days nixed many deals to teams he didn't want to play for. At the same time he said that one of the teams he'd never play for would be the Red Sox. As far as Damon goes, I love to keep him. Unfortunately, if you look at his past, who his agent is, and the fact that he will be the premier free agent next year, I think the Sox will make an effort but will not be held hostage again. He's going to demand a 4 to 4 year contract at 12 -14 million. There is no way the Sox will go with that. Years are too long ( especially given injuries and age ) and money is way to big. So my premise is that they already know that signing Damon is probably not an option. Hence, they now need a good CF. There is crap on the free agent market. So, must be a trade on call up. I don't think we have anything ready in the minors, so trade. The obvious one is trade Manny to the Mets for Cameron and prospects ( next year the Mets lose Piaza salaty of $ 17 Million ).This now solves are CF problem, stocks our minors, and provides financial flexiblity. One move might be to get Huff and play him in left ( I like him becaue he play 1st, 3rd, and corner outfield ). Maybe Konerko and or a top line pitcher.

 

 

I never heard Griffey say that he'd never play for the Red Sox, but since neither of us think that's a realistic option anyway, I'll drop the Griffey talk.

 

I'm all for trading Manny for Cameron and prospects. Even if the Sox do that, they can still bring in Johnny Damon if he'll play left field. What a nice defensive outfield that would be, and Johnny's weak arm would be hidden by the shallow left field at Fenway. Trading Manny ensures that the Sox have a real shot at bringing Damon back.

 

That still leaves first base (the subject of this thread afterall), which could be filled by (like I said earlier) Youkilis, or even Huff. Shedding Manny's salary gives them a little more financial flexibility.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I never heard Griffey say that he'd never play for the Red Sox, but since neither of us think that's a realistic option anyway, I'll drop the Griffey talk.

 

I'm all for trading Manny for Cameron and prospects. Even if the Sox do that, they can still bring in Johnny Damon if he'll play left field. What a nice defensive outfield that would be, and Johnny's weak arm would be hidden by the shallow left field at Fenway. Trading Manny ensures that the Sox have a real shot at bringing Damon back.

 

That still leaves first base (the subject of this thread afterall), which could be filled by (like I said earlier) Youkilis, or even Huff. Shedding Manny's salary gives them a little more financial flexibility.

I think you'd agree that a Huff for Millar trade, most certainly would be an upgrade. Jr. said that back in the days when he was with the Mariners ( I believe it emminated from his dad ).

[elsrbueno]

I think you'd agree that a Huff for Millar trade, most certainly would be an upgrade. Jr. said that back in the days when he was with the Mariners ( I believe it emminated from his dad ).

 

I'd trade Kevin Millar for an empty pepsi bottle. At least then you could turn around and trade the Pepsi bottle for $0.05

 

The Red Sox already have players who are better than Kevin Millar: Kevin Youkilis, Roberto Petagine, John Olerud (currently injured). HELL, Tony Graffanino's played first base this season and has better numbers than Millar.

 

Needless to say, I'd do a dance if the Red Sox were able to replace Millar with Huff. I'd do a celebratory dance if he was removed from the lineup.

[yankeessuck013]

Needless to say, I'd do a dance if the Red Sox were able to replace Millar with Huff. I'd do a celebratory dance if he was removed from the lineup.

 

ha...I'd like to see that, actually......no I wouldn't

 

could we do that trade without the dance?

[elsrbueno]

ha...I'd like to see that, actually......no I wouldn't

 

could we do that trade without the dance?

 

By all means, if that's what it takes to get Kevin Millar out of Boston.

[Manny Goes Boom]

So everyone is all for trading Manny for a mediocre centerfielder in Mike Cameron? So then who is supposed to protect Papi in the lineup, MIKE CAMERON?!?!? With his monster 12 HR bat, I don't think so.

 

And with the firstbaseman talks, if we WERE to get a big name 1st baseman, I would want a righty to give it a Right Left Right look with Ortiz and Manny.

[yankeessuck013]

How about Michael Abreu?

 

Michel Abreu's path from defecting to agreeing in principle to a $425,000 signing bonus with the Boston Red Sox on Tuesday was more circuitous. Abreu bounced between agents and sacrificed two years of his career for that modest bonus. He also had to live in two countries as he chased a contract in the United States. Abreu, one of Cuba's best power hitters, could compete for a spot on Boston's 25-man roster in 2006. While the Red Sox have David Ortiz under contract for next season, he is essentially a designated hitter and rarely plays first base. Kevin Millar and John Olerud, Boston's primary first basemen, are not signed for 2006, so Abreu, 26, could be given a chance to play first next season.

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/08/sports/baseball/08cuban.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1126206793-6bxF90i+VpKA4mfcd+yzsw

[riverside sluggers]

very intriguing, I wouldnt mind that along with Sox resigning Olerud as the backup

[jimmycarter05]

booo! whats up with all this talk about these expensive first basemen?

if you spend all your free agent money on a superstar first baseman, how are we going to get what else we need? i like dmitri young as our first baseman in 2006...his BA is .270, 21 homers, 71 RBIs...thats just as good as anybody out there, plus he'll be no where near the price of konerko and huff

[riverside sluggers]

what is dimitri young mostly used as? Like papi he's more of a DH, playing 71 games this season as a DH. Id like to have him to, but I want to have a 1st baseman that will be pulling John Olerud like defensive moves.

[Chitalian Stallion]

Anyone know if this Abreu kid is good? or does anyone have a scouting report on him?

[MC Hammer]

Question: Is Roberto Petagine not good enough to start fully? If I'm the Red Sox, I'm fine with having him start full time. I wouldn't go after Thome, but Konerko and Helton should definitely be considered as options, as well.

Well the guys not exactly a spring chicken, and he's never really got it done in the bigs before. I don't think Theo is going to take a risk like that when he can go out and get someone like Konerko. Maybe Petagine comes back and backs up, but there is no way he's starting every day.

 

In a perfect world I'd take Konerko. Helton if that doesn't work. I think Helton could have a field day at Fenway. Imagine giving him the weapons of the short porch in right and the monster in left. Then we'd have 3 hitters in the lineup that you absolutly cannot pitch to. I don't think a 3,4,5 of Papi, Manny and Helton looks bad at all. The only problem with that is his huge contract. So I think Konerko is more likely because of the contract, but either choice would be good.

 

I guess I wouldn't complain if we got Huff though.

[jimmycarter05]

what is dimitri young mostly used as? Like papi he's more of a DH, playing 71 games this season as a DH. Id like to have him to, but I want to have a 1st baseman that will be pulling John Olerud like defensive moves.

 

 

we could switch it by having ortiz at 1st and dmitri DH...or if that doesn't work out you could try to play young at first and if he sucks at it try to trade him for someone who can

[AnibalJonJon]

Michel Abreu maybe?

[riverside sluggers]

I just heard that Brewers this offseason will be interested in dealing their 1st baseman Lyle Overbay, 28 years old. This season he has hit 17 HRs with 67 RBIs

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlbpa/players/6639

[soxie thefangirl]

his numbers are pretty good.

[jebargit]

What's on second?

[riverside sluggers]

i guess you mean who will be on second base, personally Id like to see the Sox resign Graffanino and have Pedroia's first season as a backup, moreso he can learn from the veteran that Tony G is. Say what anybody wants, Ive quickly become a big fan of Tony's. besides it would be good for Pedroia, considering he ended the 05 season batting at .255