Gammons: 50 Players tested positive

[bobby jr]

The Orioles are the team with the most 'roids users. Soso and Palmeiro. They had Joey Belle, Brady Anderson, Bobby Bonilla, Mickey Tettleton and Tejada(according to Canseco)

 

Absurd.

 

The Yankees have Giambi and Sheffield who already confessed to steroids. Plus several other players on their current team are mentioned in the current rumors.

 

There is only one Oriole ever proven to have used steroids or who has confessed to the fact. That is Palmerio.

 

Just naming players who played for the Orioles (and several other teams) and saying that you think they were on steroids that just reflects your dislike for the Orioles rather than anything of substance.

[heyabbott]

Absurd.

 

The Yankees have Giambi and Sheffield who already confessed to steroids. Plus several other players on their current team are mentioned in the current rumors.

 

There is only one Oriole ever proven to have used steroids or who has confessed to the fact. That is Palmerio.

 

Just naming players who played for the Orioles (and several other teams) and saying that you think they were on steroids that just reflects your dislike for the Orioles rather than anything of substance.

 

 

It's called specualtion and is every bit as valid, more so, than speculating about Giambi, who may be the most tested player in MLB history. Also, Giambi is getting over a tumor removal and treatment. Which is alot more sever than a simple staph infection which is treated by antibiotics.

 

Let's not forget the unfortunately death of an Orioles minor league pitcher, Steve Bechler. I believe the Orioles are being sued, or soon will be, over his involvement with performance enhancing drugs.

[bobby jr]

It's called specualtion and is every bit as valid, more so, than speculating about Giambi, who may be the most tested player in MLB history. Also, Giambi is getting over a tumor removal and treatment. Which is alot more sever than a simple staph infection which is treated by antibiotics.

 

Let's not forget the unfortunately death of an Orioles minor league pitcher, Steve Bechler. I believe the Orioles are being sued, or soon will be, over his involvement with performance enhancing drugs.

 

Wrong yet again, Bechler took non-prescription stuff to help him lose weight, that has nothing to do with steroids. And the Orioles had nothing to do with his choice to take what he did, that was his decision.

 

Giambi cheated before and admitted to it before the grand jury. Then he went out and lied to the public after his testimony and said he never took steroids, until his grand jury testimony was leaked. He has a pattern of cheating on steroids , and dishonesty, and I do not trust him to stay off the juice. Also he is not tested for steroids any more than any other player in MLB who has not been caught, only after one is caught are they tested more. Giambi's leaked Grand Jury testimony does not count as an offense under MLB's collective bargaining agreement.

[ARod2212]

Tejada wouldn't shock me. He went from average Shortstop on Oakland to MVP. I think it's pretty apparent that Sosa was on steroids, otherwise we'd all be celebrating him having the HR record clean. Don't get me started on Big Bad Brady and his historic sideburns. (somebody's gotta know what I mean)

 

It really doesn't matter if you trust him or not, Giambi isn't on steroids because he got hot and then cooled off a bit. I guess Todd Helton was on steroids because he's not playing well. Chris Carpenter hasn't pitched like this before, he's on steroids. Brian Roberts must be on steroids too, look at his numbers. Juan Pierre is having a bad season, he's probably off the juice.

 

You can accuse all over the place, but if you have nothing to back it up other than "well you know he's playing good and he wasn't before" or anything like that, you're going to look really stupid.

 

 

By the way, try to get a tumor and not play baseball for a year, and come back at the level you were at when you won MVP. It takes time to get everything going again, they're not machines.

[Sizzlin22]

It's called specualtion and is every bit as valid, more so, than speculating about Giambi

Giambi admitted he took steroids, it's not really speculation at that point.

[BoSox21]

I'll s*** my pants laughing if A-Rod took steroids

 

aside from that, the most likely candidate in my mind is Carl Everett

[Sizzlin22]

I doubt A-Rod took steroids, Pujols wouldn't really shock me though.

[bobby jr]

I think A-Rod, Clemens, or Mo Rivera are definite possiblities. So is Andru Jones of the Braves. Outside chances: Randy Johnson and Pujols.

[heyabbott]

I think Miggy Tejada is a definte possibility and you can't overlook Brian Roberts. The Oriole & Steroid connection is so very strong and has such a long history.

So many connection to Canseco, Bonds and Oakland. Starting with Brady Anderson's 50 HR season. Albert Belle, Bobby Bonilla, Sammy Soso, Palmeiro.

 

Speculation is rampant, especially after the Orioles' star player Raphael Palmeiro tested positive. And the consipracy by MLB and the Oriole ownership to keep it quiet while the Orioles tried and failed to find a replacement, Phil Nevin.

[MC Hammer]

I agree. That Sheffield steriod thing is blown out of proportion. It's a freakin cream. How the heck is a cream going to make you that much stronger? Maybe i should get me some of that cream.

I hate to go back 2 pages but ... ASK BARRY BONDS HOW MUCH A CREAM CAN HELP! He went from about 105 to 250, and 310 foot wall scrappers to 550 foot moon shots.

 

BTW I don't think Sheffield using was about gaining size or strength. I think that was more less for injury, maybe even the shoulder than that has been nagging him for quite some time.

[MC Hammer]

Tejada wouldn't shock me. He went from average Shortstop on Oakland to MVP. I think it's pretty apparent that Sosa was on steroids, otherwise we'd all be celebrating him having the HR record clean. Don't get me started on Big Bad Brady and his historic sideburns. (somebody's gotta know what I mean)

 

It really doesn't matter if you trust him or not, Giambi isn't on steroids because he got hot and then cooled off a bit. I guess Todd Helton was on steroids because he's not playing well. Chris Carpenter hasn't pitched like this before, he's on steroids. Brian Roberts must be on steroids too, look at his numbers. Juan Pierre is having a bad season, he's probably off the juice.

 

You can accuse all over the place, but if you have nothing to back it up other than "well you know he's playing good and he wasn't before" or anything like that, you're going to look really stupid.

 

 

By the way, try to get a tumor and not play baseball for a year, and come back at the level you were at when you won MVP. It takes time to get everything going again, they're not machines.

There are a few holes in your arguement there bro. First of all Tejada had 21HRs in his first full season, and was only 25 when he had his break out year. I don't think there's any way he used steroids simply because his numbers consistantly rose, and he was a phenom his first full season.

 

Did Tejada, or Helton, or Pierre, or Roberts suddenly go from 4HRs in 3 months to 16HRs in 1? I don't think so. Was it proven that any of those players used steroids in the past? I don't think so. Did any of those players lie about taking steroids? No. Have any of those players heads grew consistantly wider, causing their eyes to appear where their ears used to be? No.

 

Now lets ask those questions again. Did Giambi suddenly go from 4HRs in 3 months to 16HRs in 1? Yes. Was it proven that Giambi used steroids in the past? Yes. Did Giambi lie about taking steroids? Yes. Are the HGHs Giambi is taking forcing his eyes to touch his ears? Yes.

 

That's why we can accused Giambi, because he's a cheat, and a liar, and he fits the MO. Case Closed.

[26 to 6]

I hate to go back 2 pages but ... ASK BARRY BONDS HOW MUCH A CREAM CAN HELP! He went from about 105 to 250, and 310 foot wall scrappers to 550 foot moon shots.

 

BTW I don't think Sheffield using was about gaining size or strength. I think that was more less for injury, maybe even the shoulder than that has been nagging him for quite some time.

so thats not cheating is it, he did it for injury, not to gain size or strength.

 

And there is no certainty that Barry's use was limited to cream.

[yankeessuck013]

Did Giambi suddenly go from 4HRs in 3 months to 16HRs in 1? Yes. Was it proven that Giambi used steroids in the past? Yes. Did Giambi lie about taking steroids? Yes. Are the HGHs Giambi is taking forcing his eyes to touch his ears? Yes.

 

That's why we can accused Giambi, because he's a cheat, and a liar, and he fits the MO. Case Closed.

 

yes the only people who are saying giambi isnt using steroids, are yankee fans, ONLY ONES!

 

you dont have that drastic a change without some help.

[26 to 6]

bobby jr.

 

i have to agree with Yankydave, a lot of the things he said about you are becoming appearant. You seem to be out to get the Yankees. Lets straighten a few things up. How cna you say A-Rod, Clemens, or Mo are likely candidates of testing positive because of the rumors on this board. All of the names we're throwing out are just pure speculation. An Oriole has as much a chance of testing positive as a Yankee. The only Yankee to take steroids this year is AA Trenton Thunder, and former Mets pitcher Grant Roberts, and he tested positive when he was still in the Mets organization (which lead to his release and us signing him). And Giambi DID NOT deny using them after the grand jury testimony was leaked, he appologized but did not specify what for. But still. he would be stupid to take them this year, so I think all of you need to drop that. He cares too much about his image and appealing to people. He hates disapproval, and would not take steroids again. So far the only 1B in the AL East to test positive is playing for your team. So Bobby, worry about your own team and leave us out of your thoughts for now until you're out of 4th place.

[26 to 6]

yes the only people who are saying giambi isnt using steroids, are yankee fans, ONLY ONES!

 

you dont have that drastic a change without some help.

how do you know....and why dont you listen to some talk radio that isnt as biased as WEEI, listen to ESPN Radio or something and you will hear all of the non-yankee fans who think it is ludicrous that he would use again.

 

You have to remember, he didnt get much time to work in the offseason due to his tumor and parasite, and he missed about 3/4 of last season, he needed time to work nd recover. Which is what hes been doing all season until july. He has been trying to work off all of the rust from last season. Why dont you give this guy a break and just acknowledge that it is a great story of triumph over adversity.

[26 to 6]

Clemens was a Yankee- it's pretty well known that the Yankees do WHATEVER it takes to win, including cheat- so it's very possible he picked up the needle while in the Bronx. So far the team with the most admitted and known roid boys is the New Roid Yankees. This past year has been the worst in Yankees history with the true nature of the Yankees being exposed. It's about goddamned time too.

GODDAM...2 players have admitted to using to a grand jury. And one was because of medical reasons. We're having a bad year due to unjury. The same thing that plagued the Red Sox for the first half last year which caused them to play .500 ball until the end of July.

 

Guybo---So because Clemns was a Yankee you think he used steroids? The Yankees are the classiest, most respected franchise in sports history, they would not condone this s***. Lets not forget Roger was a Red Sock too, I could easily just point my finger at all of your players, but im not going to because its not fair.

[26 to 6]

There are a few holes in your arguement there bro. First of all Tejada had 21HRs in his first full season, and was only 25 when he had his break out year. I don't think there's any way he used steroids simply because his numbers consistantly rose, and he was a phenom his first full season.

 

Did Tejada, or Helton, or Pierre, or Roberts suddenly go from 4HRs in 3 months to 16HRs in 1? I don't think so. Was it proven that any of those players used steroids in the past? I don't think so. Did any of those players lie about taking steroids? No. Have any of those players heads grew consistantly wider, causing their eyes to appear where their ears used to be? No.

 

Now lets ask those questions again. Did Giambi suddenly go from 4HRs in 3 months to 16HRs in 1? Yes. Was it proven that Giambi used steroids in the past? Yes. Did Giambi lie about taking steroids? Yes. Are the HGHs Giambi is taking forcing his eyes to touch his ears? Yes.

 

That's why we can accused Giambi, because he's a cheat, and a liar, and he fits the MO. Case Closed.

So let me get this straight, you are not on steroids unless you have a huge Home Run increase from month to month? So that means that Canseco, McGwire, Palmeiro, Bonds, etc have not taken steroids.

 

Whose to say that someone like Roberts isnt using, not that I thihnk Roberts is but hes been a platoon player with Jerry hairston his entire career and at the start of this year he looked like Mickey Mantle. Let me reitterate that I do not believe Roberts uses steroids. Now Tejada on the other hand, is a player I believe could have taken them. Canseco did say that Tejada was asking about them in Spring Training one year when he was still in the minors, which could explain why he was hot out of the gate, because he got all the other stuff out of the way in the minors. So please lets not single out Yankees when there are plenty of other players who could be taing them as well.

[MC Hammer]

so thats not cheating is it, he did it for injury, not to gain size or strength.

 

And there is no certainty that Barry's use was limited to cream.

No it'd still be cheating because it allowed him to get back to the game quicker, or not miss any time. I don't believe that Sheffield used steroids to improve his power, but I do believe he used them to recover from injuries, and that is cheating.

[yankeessuck013]

The Yankees are the classiest, most respected franchise in sports history, they would not condone this s***.

 

classiest? red sux doesn't seem very classy to me.

 

most respected? then why does everyone hate them, they're everyones favorite team to hate

[sarasoxfan]

I still say gammons has never been right before, so all this specultaion based on his "insider" info seems like a lot about niothing.

[yankeessuck013]

michael kay during the yankees game a couple nights ago said he heard a steroid accusation and said one of them will "break your heart"

[sarasoxfan]

johnny pesky?

[yankeessuck013]

johnny pesky?

 

remeber its a yankee network and that wouldnt break the yankees fans heart would it?

[sarasoxfan]

joe pepitone?

he loved his drugs..

[YankeeDoodle]

If it's not a tumor, then it's a rumor.

 

Waitwait, Yankee fans have "hearts"? You can't have it both ways.

[yankeessuck013]

Waitwait, Yankee fans have "hearts"? You can't have it both ways.

 

not according to me according to michael kay

[YankeeDoodle]

I'm just saying, either you say that Yankee fans are cold machines, or have hearts so it would be so much sweeter to crush it? One or the other?

[ARod2212]

Word on Wall Street today was the two guys are Roger Clemens and Johnny Damon. I have no links or anything, but I got a phone call from my dad earlier asking me to check it online. I guess it's as arbitrary as any other rumor, but interesting enough.

[Sizzlin22]

Roger and Damon? Neither would surprise me.

[soxie thefangirl]

That's ridiculous. Damon would surprise me.