Red Sox-Marlins-Twins Proposed Trade

[ORS]

alvarez is pretty good tho...if they traded him they would be losing one of their big prospects. If they trade hanley then they gonna have no one

Papelbon, Declarmen, Lester, Dinardo, Pedroia, Moss. Yep looks like the cupboard is bare if they trade Alvarez and Ramirez.

[yeszir]

Papelbon, Declarmen, Lester, Dinardo, Pedroia, Moss. Yep looks like the cupboard is bare if they trade Alvarez and Ramirez.

Don't be so pessimistic!

[YankeesFan2]

its not that...i juss think they ramirez and alvarez are 2 of their best prospects.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Hanley is not that big a deal. Besides Renteria is signed for awhile.

 

I hope we get Burnett. Tons better than Arroyo.

 

Several scouts have said and I quote "Hanley Ramirez has great talent and will be a better player than Aaron Hill of Toronto and Robinson Cano of New York."

 

Sounds like something to hold onto. Look how good those two are doing. We have Edgar Renteria...but Hanley Ramirez will be better than him

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Wade Miller's name has now been brought up in the AJ Burnett discussions.

[CrespoBlows]

Alvarez is not a great prospect, he's a four or five starter on a competive franchise.

 

Hanley will be an exceptional player, he will be way better then Robinson Cano. He hits for better power, and fields better.

 

Dinardo is not a prospect anymore, he is a post-prospect, and will only be an average to above average lefty reliever.

 

The only Red Sox prospects that are not going to be traded are Jon Lester, Jon Papelbon, Hanley Ramriez, Dustin Pedoria, and Anibal Sanchez. Those are our elite prospects, by far. Kelly Shoppach and Moss are in the next category, and then their is a major dropoff.

 

Now I know a Yankee fan will see that and say their system is better, but the Red Sox have a 4 or 5 more prospects that will be pretty good from this year's draft. But they aren't proven yet, but some can be very good.

[YankeesFan2]

i think that hanley is already way better then Cano...hanley is a great player and does really batting and fielding...the sox would be stupid to trade him

[elsrbueno]

Wade Miller's name has now been brought up in the AJ Burnett discussions.

 

Do you have a source on that? Part of me wouldn't mind Miller going because he's less durable and because of the emotional attachment to Arroyo, but I believe in time Miller will be the better pitcher. That having been said, Arroyo translates better to the bullpen than Miller. Burnett could just take Wade's spot for now, and Arroyo could be demoted to the bullpen when Schilling is ready.

 

Schilling, Wells, Clement, Burnett, Wakefield would be a pretty competitive rotation if you ask me.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Sox would rather trade Miller than Arroyo

The Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel reported that the Red Sox are more interested in trading pitcher Wade Miller and prospects to the Marlins in an AJ Burnett trade than Bronson Arroyo. The two major reasons cited by the report for the Sox' preference are Arroyo's affordability (he is making $1.85 million this season) and success against the Yankees. Miller, who had great success in the National League, has struggled in Boston this season.

 

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/thebuzz/#sox

 

I like Wade Miller and I think he will get back to form....but I would rather not wait for it and yeah I would rather have Arroyo. I hope Florida isn't asking for both cause technically the Sox could do it if Schilling is moving to the rotation soon.

[elsrbueno]

i think that hanley is already way better then Cano...hanley is a great player and does really batting and fielding...the sox would be stupid to trade him

 

And every indication is that the Sox have absolutely no intention of trading him. Theo has said time and time again that certain prospects are untouchable. I would add Manny Declarman to the list Crespo already provided, and that's the list of prospects that will still be in the organization on August 1st.

 

The most tradable prospects are Kelly Shoppach, who's behind Varitek and Mirabelli, and Abe Alvarez, who's behind the beforementioned pitching prospects on the depth chart. The Sox like Alvarez a lot but he's never been projected as better than a #3 starter.

[CrespoBlows]

i think that hanley is already way better then Cano...hanley is a great player and does really batting and fielding...the sox would be stupid to trade him

 

Well not right now, I think Cano will be a great player too. He has incredible balance on his stance, which is why he'll hit a lot of doubles, and might be able to hit 20 HR's in Yankee stadium.

 

Hanley, however, makes Cano look like Jason Giambi, and in the field he makes Cano look like Chuck Knoblauch. He'll be a good player for many years to come.

[soxie thefangirl]

That'd be great if we could get rid of Miller instead of Arroyo I think.

[YankeesFan2]

thats true...but cano has had a few days where he hasnt been on with it...so has hanley...but i also think Hanley needs to mature alot, and that will make him a better player as well. Hanley is really immature sumtimes. When i went to go see the sea dogs play, he was actin immature and thats not the way he should be acting. Sometime soon i think he will get the hint and i think he will improve alot.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I was just curious, COMPLETELY off topic but....

 

what happened to that Josh Hamilton guy for Tampa Bay. I remember hearing a lot about him and he was supposed to be awesome.....there was a story about him a while back but I can't remeber what it was about??? he was in there farm system somewhere

[CrespoBlows]

I was just curious, COMPLETELY off topic but....

 

what happened to that Josh Hamilton guy for Tampa Bay. I remember hearing a lot about him and he was supposed to be awesome.....there was a story about him a while back but I can't remeber what it was about??? he was in there farm system somewhere

 

He'll never be back, he's had a problem with drugs ever since he was 18. He was supposed to be the left handed Manny Ramirez coming out of HS, but sadly he's career waned off. I'm speculating, but imagine that Devil Ray lineup if Hamilton got to his potiental

 

Crawford, Baldelli, Upton, Young, Hamliton, Huff, and Cantu. That would one incredibly good lineup.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

wow yeah that would have been intense

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Wait, when someone said Hanley would make Cano look like Jason Giambi, does he mean the 43 HR .330 avg 120rbi Giambi or the .212 12hr 40rbi steriod giambi?

[riverside sluggers]

i do like this from the fort lauderdale sun sentinel newspaper website:

 

Meanwhile, a proposed three-way trade with the Red Sox and Twins was in trouble due to a disagreement between the American League teams. The Twins were said to be surprised when they learned the Red Sox would send pitcher Joe Mays along to the Marlins in a package for Burnett and Lowell.

 

That left the Red Sox exploring other ways to deal directly with the Marlins. They were said to prefer moving right-hander Wade Miller and prospects instead of fellow starter Bronson Arroyo, but the Marlins much prefer Arroyo, who is making $1.85 million this year.

 

Arroyo's career record is 27-28, compared with 43-44 for Burnett. But Arroyo has pitched well against the Yankees, and that has the Red Sox reconsidering a trade.

 

If they get Burnett, the Red Sox might flip him to the Phillies for veteran closer Billy Wagner. Not only would that put Burnett on a National League East rival, something the Marlins want to avoid, but it also had them considering the merits of offering him directly for Wagner.

 

Wagner, who turns 34 on Monday, has 266 career saves and is headed for free agency.

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if such a thing happens, we'd be all set with a star closer with Billy Wagner up on the mound. But that deal would give us one less pitcher since Sox are trying to ease Schilling into a 1st to 7th/8th inning pitcher that he dominates at. which could see jon lester being called up as well as paplebon

[soxie thefangirl]

I think Burnett would do us more good.

[CrespoBlows]

Wait, when someone said Hanley would make Cano look like Jason Giambi, does he mean the 43 HR .330 avg 120rbi Giambi or the .212 12hr 40rbi steriod giambi?

 

I'm meant with the wheels. Hanley will only be a little better offensively (more power, better OBP)

[CrespoBlows]

I think Burnett would do us more good.

 

This Burnett deal will not happen, I'm saying it right now. If they make us take Lowell, we still have to give up one of our "Fab Five" if we don't take Lowell the deal's dead. Just forget about it.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I read somewhere that the marlins might not trade Lowell anyway because no one seems to want him and he has been playing better.

[CrespoBlows]

They'll try to trade him, but if they don't they'll want Hanley + Papelbon, which won't happen.

[soxie thefangirl]

You never know. John Henry loves Burnett and Schilling said he's got the best stuff in the NL.

[elsrbueno]

You never know. John Henry loves Burnett and Schilling said he's got the best stuff in the NL.

 

I get the feeling Henry's love of Burnett is what keeps this thing alive. Most people around baseball still think the Orioles are the favorites, and keep in mind that if the Marlins decide they don't need Lowell included, a bunch of other teams will join back into the hunt.

 

The best thing for the Marlins to do (IMO) is drop the Lowell talk, and get the best possible deal for Burnett. If that happens, Boston should stick to their offer of Arroyo/Miller and a mid-level prospect (Shoppach?) and if that gets the job done, great. If not, let it go.

 

IF the Red Sox really are interested in sending Burnett after they get him to Philly, that WILL prevent the Marlins from dealing with us. The last thing they want to do is send the man to a rival-- especially a young man like Burnett.

 

As far as Burnett vs Wagner is concerned-- that's a tough one. Burnett is younger but since both are approaching free agency, both can be considered rentals. The more I think about Wagner out of the Sox bullpen the more I like the idea, but I don't see the Phillies giving up on 2005 just yet.

[bigpapi349]

the marlins will trade burnett and lowell not mattrer wat. just wait it out and the asking price will go down. id love to see wade go over arroyo but the marlins love arroyo so i dont see that hapening.

[CrespoBlows]

I get the feeling Henry's love of Burnett is what keeps this thing alive. Most people around baseball still think the Orioles are the favorites, and keep in mind that if the Marlins decide they don't need Lowell included, a bunch of other teams will join back into the hunt.

 

The best thing for the Marlins to do (IMO) is drop the Lowell talk, and get the best possible deal for Burnett. If that happens, Boston should stick to their offer of Arroyo/Miller and a mid-level prospect (Shoppach?) and if that gets the job done, great. If not, let it go.

 

IF the Red Sox really are interested in sending Burnett after they get him to Philly, that WILL prevent the Marlins from dealing with us. The last thing they want to do is send the man to a rival-- especially a young man like Burnett.

 

As far as Burnett vs Wagner is concerned-- that's a tough one. Burnett is younger but since both are approaching free agency, both can be considered rentals. The more I think about Wagner out of the Sox bullpen the more I like the idea, but I don't see the Phillies giving up on 2005 just yet.

 

The Marlins won't trade the best availble starter, and a person with ace potential for a starter and a mid level prospect. They'll want a starter and two elite prospects, but they want Lowell contract of their hands so they can have flexiblity.

[ahhchon]

exactly crespo. i mean if the suggested trade goes through we would have traded mueller and (prospect or millar) and arroyo for romero, burnett and lowell.. it doesn't get better than that. well maybe the tek and lowe trade. HAH.

 

john

[Sizzlin22]

the marlins will trade burnett and lowell not mattrer wat. just wait it out and the asking price will go down. id love to see wade go over arroyo but the marlins love arroyo so i dont see that hapening.

Can't wait too long or other teams can get in the mix. This is a great trade for the Sox we need to pull the trigger.

[MC Hammer]

schill says burnett has the best "stuff" in the NL

 

That's a lie ... unless Schilling has never seen Roy Oswalt pitch.