Red Sox-Marlins-Twins Proposed Trade

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

This was a proposed trade on Wednesday....

 

The Red Sox send third baseman Bill Mueller and possibly a (prospect or Kevin Millar) to the Twins for lefty J.C. Romero and righty Joe Mays. The Red Sox then send Bronson Arroyo and Mays to the Marlins for Burnett and Lowell.

[MC Hammer]

I think we're jinxing these trades by posting them. It seems like as soon as we start a discussion about a rumored trade someone on ESPN, or NESN shoots it down. I'd hate to lose Billy because I think he brings more to the table than just his numbers, especially in the playoffs. That being said, what the Sox need right now is help in the bullpen, and that is exactly what these trades are going to do. I really don't like giving up Bronson because he is still young, has a tiny contract, and has one of the prettiest curveballs I've ever seen. Although, if Theo is intent on giving up a pitcher from this staff I'm happy its Bronson and not Wade Miller. If Wade is brought back next year(I think the Sox have a club option) then he is going to surprise everyone in the league.

 

I guess when it boils down to it I'd rather trade Bronson than Wade, or another project.

[Ringo]

Lets get the deal done!! This deal is what we need to repeat!!

[riverside sluggers]

it would be better to switch off lowell to minnesota since hes been having a bad season plus Sox would have to take on his 3 years contract of $21 million!! option kevin youkilis since bill mueller has been having an awesome year for the Sox, that way Twins give us easily lefty JC Romero, who is just 27 and has a nice ERA of 2.31 this season

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I hear what everyone says about Mueller and I like him too but if moving him will help us get AJ Burnett then lets do it. Adding his arm and JC Romero to the bullpen gives us a huge advantage over the Yanks and Orioles cause now we match there bullpens and have a better starting rotation. If Foulke came back and was back to form it gives us the best bullpen and best starting rotation.....

 

As good as Mueller was in the playoffs.....I think it was our pitching that was the biggest difference in the playoffs.

 

I also think if we were to deal Mueller and Millar..... Olerud, Lowell, and Youkilis could hold down 1st and 3rd just fine. Youkilis could push to have the same stats as Mueller and Lowell easily has potential to kill Millar's stats.

[MC Hammer]

Well how do you expect us to get lowell without trading the fish Mays? We have to make the trade to the Twinkies first simply so we can get the pieces to make the trade to the marlins. Trust me I'd rather keep ballgame and trade Lowell, but its just not possible.

[Ringo]

are u saying trade youk instead of mueller?..if you are...thats crazy! i know mueller is have a great year but im tired of everyone forgeting hes OLD and has bad knees. Yes hes doing fine now but he won't hold up that much longer, plus hes a free agent at the end of the year. Lets get something for him now instead of letting him walk. Youk is young and if given some serious time at third could develop into maybe a Shea Hillenbrand? I say trade mueller and keep youk.

[MC Hammer]

are u saying trade youk instead of mueller?..if you are...thats crazy! i know mueller is have a great year but im tired of everyone forgeting hes OLD and has bad knees. Yes hes doing fine now but he won't hold up that much longer, plus hes a free agent at the end of the year. Lets get something for him now instead of letting him walk. Youk is young and if given some serious time at third could develop into maybe a Shea Hillenbrand? I say trade mueller and keep youk.

 

... If your talking to me ... then I don't know what you're talking about. I didn't say Youks name at all in my post. I was just saying that its not going to be possible to trade Lowell to the twins to get romero, because we have to get Mays in order to get Burnett and Lowell.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Why is everyone talking about Mike Lowell as if he sucks....

 

He would be going from a crap offense in Florida to an excellent offense in Boston and would hit between Trot nixon and Jason Varitek. He typically hits the same average as Millar but hits more HRs and more RBIs AND he is hitting in Florida. Hitting in Fenway would certainly help him and I think he just needs a change of scenery. Whats also important about him is he is a leader and a good club house guy....he likes to win. The money is an issue yes but Henry already said they would increase there cap. Mike Lowell can also play some good defense...I dont think you would lose much there plus it would mean more playing time for Olerud who can play some real good defense.

[riverside sluggers]

just saying dude for this season Id rather have Bill Mueller's on base percentage of .380, than mike lowell's of just .284 thus far

[Ringo]

Yes i agree completely. Lets make the trade!! Soon before anyone else can jump in..because i hear the White Sox are formulating a deal. We can't lose out on this deal to the freakin white sox!

[riverside sluggers]

besides with his contract of $21 million will eat up payroll and lower chances of re-signing players such as damon

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

just saying dude for this season Id rather have Bill Mueller's on base percentage of .380, than mike lowell's of just .284 thus far

 

Thats what I'm saying though is if Lowell came to Boston and hit between Nixon and Varitek....first off more guys will be on base than in Florida....and he hits righty which means he is hitting into the monster and this guy hits the ball pretty hard.....that on-base% would more than likely go up. This guy is too good of a hitter to just suddenly disappear. If Bill Mueller was moved to Minnesota....I guarantee his numbers don't come out the same as if he were in Boston.

 

The thing I see with the money...look at other top 3B...Beltre, Rodriguez, Rolen, Aramis Ramirez, Chipper Jones.....these guys make huge money and it wasn't too long ago that Mike Lowell was too far behind them. Plus if Youkilis is ready to jump in at 3rd then you can move Lowell to 1st and I don't want to talk about the money it costs for a top guy there.

[Ringo]

besides with his contract of $21 million will eat up payroll and lower chances of re-signing players such as damon

 

Lets just make the deal and then worry about signing damon after the year. If damon really wants to stay here he'll take less money. Varitek did. SO if damon wants to be here he will take less money. If he doesn't then see ya later damon.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Mike Lowell is also batting .280 since the all-star break and I hear he has run into some bad luck with well hit balls.

 

....he is starting to heat up and his BA against LHP is (.313). Considering our supposed slugging RHB now (Manny and Millar) are hitting (.206 and .230) against LHP I'd say that would help us out a little.

[elsrbueno]

Mike Lowell is also batting .280 since the all-star break and I hear he has run into some bad luck with well hit balls.

 

....he is starting to heat up and his BA against LHP is (.313). Considering our supposed slugging RHB now (Manny and Millar) are hitting (.206 and .230) against LHP I'd say that would help us out a little.

 

Yes yes yes yes yes. I agree with SITN here 100%. If taking on Lowell's contract is the ONLY stumbling block here, what are they waiting for? Mike Lowell was fantastic for Florida last year and is not only younger than Mueller but he's less injury prone and has higher potential. Certainly a suitable replacement for Billy in 2005 and could move over to first next year to replace fatass Millar.

 

My preference would be to let Mueller play out the season in Boston, but if dealing him means getting Burnett AND Romero, plus replacing him with a guy like Mike Lowell? It's worth it.

 

Just look at how going from Montreal to Boston impacted Orlando Cabrera last year. Lowell's a quality ballplayer and moving from Florida to Boston is a better atmosphere, better hitter's park, better protection.... he's bound to improve.

[MC Hammer]

Why is everyone talking about Mike Lowell as if he sucks....

 

He would be going from a crap offense in Florida to an excellent offense in Boston and would hit between Trot nixon and Jason Varitek. He typically hits the same average as Millar but hits more HRs and more RBIs AND he is hitting in Florida. Hitting in Fenway would certainly help him and I think he just needs a change of scenery. Whats also important about him is he is a leader and a good club house guy....he likes to win. The money is an issue yes but Henry already said they would increase there cap. Mike Lowell can also play some good defense...I dont think you would lose much there plus it would mean more playing time for Olerud who can play some real good defense.

 

I don't think the change of scenery is going to help unless the place has a good 'roids dealer. I think Mike falls into that same category with Boone, Sosa, and the others. I really don't want to accuse him of using roids because I was a fan of his, but it seems like the only logical answer. Theres is no way to explain having three 20+ HR seasons, then all the sudden only having 4.

 

Heres Lowell's numbers this season compared to the 2 guys who he may be replacing.

 

Lowell	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	AVG
2005	85	313	33	72	26	0	4	39	110	23	41	1	0	.281	.351	.230

Millar	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	AVG
2005	82	277	34	76	17	1	4	33	107	36	40	0	1	.367	.386	.274

Mueller G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	AVG
2005	85	281	39	79	17	2	4	38	112	41	42	0	0	.382	.399	.281

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

So would you consider Scott Rolen, Adrian Beltre, Carlos Beltran, Justin Morneau.....Mark Bellhorn....all on steroids? its a slump and everyone has them...like I was saying....

 

Mike Lowell is batting .280 since the all star break....he is heating up

 

Sosa and Boone are 36 years old

[JohnnyDug]

eww... mark bellhoron on steroids..

that make be a disaster.

[MC Hammer]

So would you consider Scott Rolen, Adrian Beltre, Carlos Beltran, Justin Morneau.....Mark Bellhorn....all on steroids? its a slump and everyone has them...like I was saying....

 

Mike Lowell is batting .280 since the all star break....he is heating up

 

Sosa and Boone are 36 years old

 

Well I said I hoped I was wrong about Lowell so I hope your right. I guess I shouldn't have really mentioned this cause its gonna piss everyone off but whatever.

 

Sosa's slump has nothing to do with being 36 though. it has everything to do with all the sudden shrinking back to the size he was when he came into the league. Rolen has been hurt most of the year so theres his excuse. Beltre, and Beltran had one good year. Justin Morneau is having a pretty decent year and it still young so I'm not surprised he's having his ups and downs. Bellhorn always sucks on odd years, and was never very good with the bay anyway.

[riverside sluggers]

sorry if im in denial and gettin you guys to be on my friggin back, i just respect the hell out of bill mueller as he is my favorite player on the team and is producing a great season for the Sox thus far

[MC Hammer]

sorry if im in denial and gettin you guys to be on my friggin back, i just respect the hell out of bill mueller as he is my favorite player on the team and is producing a great season for the Sox thus far

 

I don't think anyone is going to argue about that. But, being able to add Romero, and Burnett mid season would really give this team the kind of boost it needs to make a strong run in the playoffs, hopefully. Lowell does have post season experience, and if he's able to have a half way decent second half this would be a great trade for the sox.

[riverside sluggers]

hey im all for burnett and romero, just only thing im leery about is lowell

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

sorry if im in denial and gettin you guys to be on my friggin back, i just respect the hell out of bill mueller as he is my favorite player on the team and is producing a great season for the Sox thus far

 

Thats fine I have not said I dont like Bill Mueller. I think Bill Mueller is an excellent player who brings a great attitude, works hard, and is everything you would want in a Red Sox player....

 

we should stop comparing Lowell to Mueller cause if Lowell came to Boston he would have to earn respect by playing with the same mentality Bill Mueller does and showing all of us he can play the way he used to....we cant get side tracked because this whole deal is mainly to bring JC Romero and AJ Burnett to Boston

[riverside sluggers]

im sure big percentage of the fans will have their eyes on lowell as well as the media for being part of reason bill mueller would be gone from the team, Tony G on the other hand was greeted with a standing ovation from Fenway in just his first game taking over for Mark Bellhorn at 2nd base.

[JohnnyDug]

Romero/Burnett deal is the main thing but Lowell is something to be nervous about. he's only 3 years younger than mueller and it's not as if his stats are better. the only thing that confuses things is Bill's FA status at the end of the year. whatever forget it. i have to stop changing my mind in the middle of posts. if there was a way to get around getting rid of mueller id do it but the main focus is the the pitching. i also think the media has a lot to do with this, bringing the difficulties to everyones attention, including the players with the whole Johnny-schilling thing, and probably making the sox staff more uneasy

[CrespoBlows]

Thats fine I have not said I dont like Bill Mueller. I think Bill Mueller is an excellent player who brings a great attitude, works hard, and is everything you would want in a Red Sox player....

 

we should stop comparing Lowell to Mueller cause if Lowell came to Boston he would have to earn respect by playing with the same mentality Bill Mueller does and showing all of us he can play the way he used to....we cant get side tracked because this whole deal is mainly to bring JC Romero and AJ Burnett to Boston

 

Lowell is a great teammate, and he is a dead pull hitter, and I think he'll love to take aim at the Monster. He made 7 errors last year, and would actually be an upgrade at 3rd defensively. Kevin Youkilis would move to 1st base.

 

Also Burnett, and Romero would be a major upgrade in the postseason. Imagine that rotation in the postseason of Schilling, Wells (one of the best big game pitchers) Burnett, and Clement, that's pretty damn good.

[soxie thefangirl]

I hate this trade since it involves Mueller. Trade Youk if you have to trade anyone.

[CrespoBlows]

I hate this trade since it involves Mueller. Trade Youk if you have to trade anyone.

 

Why? Mueller is 34, Youkilis is 26. I doubt we'll resign Bill Mueller anyway.

[riverside sluggers]

this trade is pullin me in different directions cuz of having to give up bill mueller. I would love the pitching rotation so much is schilling came to back what he was last season and got AJ Burnett. But with Bronson might be on way out, most likely to move to the bullpen when curt comes back would be wakefield. How about wake as the closer if keith foulke still throws like s*** after batters facing steady doses of breaking balls and fast balls, they have to face tim's knuckleball in the 9th, and he always does great first inning he pitches in each game

 

1. Curt Schilling

2. Matt Clement

3. David Wells

4. AJ Burnett

5. Wade Miller