Craig Hansen

[riverside sluggers]

Hansen was very effective in last night's start-- 4 innings, 1 Hit, 0 Runs, 4 Walks, 3 Ks

 

In 6 games (3 starts) for Pawtucket-- 0-1 record with a 2.29 ERA. In 19.2 innings he has struck out 16, while walking 14

[ahhchon]

this is probably one of the worst ideas ever. a guy who can eat 150+ quality innings is hard to come by and that's what papelbon is. hansen is a closer, he's been a closer all his life, not that i doubt his abilities, it's just the fact that papelbon will make for a better starter and hansen will make for just as good of a closer.

 

i'm not satisfied with this, mainly because we are under utilizing papelbon. closers are dime a dozen, quality starters are not.

 

john

[Sox Fan on Cape]

this is probably one of the worst ideas ever. a guy who can eat 150+ quality innings is hard to come by and that's what papelbon is. hansen is a closer, he's been a closer all his life, not that i doubt his abilities, it's just the fact that papelbon will make for a better starter and hansen will make for just as good of a closer.

 

i'm not satisfied with this, mainly because we are under utilizing papelbon. closers are dime a dozen, quality starters are not.

 

john

 

 

As usual, you're pretty much on target. However, a have a couple of small points to question. Papelbon has been in the closer role for approximately two months now, I'd have the question his stamina. Meaning he'll have to be stretched out. Granted, we could put Foulke in the closer role. But, this move will weaken our bullpen and under utilize Paps while he transitioning. As far as Hansen goes, I'm not thrilled with his current stats. concerning K's vs walks vs. IP. Maybe he needs a more defined role, more work in the minors to work on his control ( delivery, another pitch ). Agreed, we need help in the starting rotation as our #4 & #5 are questionable.

[a700hitter]

this is probably one of the worst ideas ever. a guy who can eat 150+ quality innings is hard to come by and that's what papelbon is. hansen is a closer, he's been a closer all his life, not that i doubt his abilities, it's just the fact that papelbon will make for a better starter and hansen will make for just as good of a closer.

 

i'm not satisfied with this, mainly because we are under utilizing papelbon. closers are dime a dozen, quality starters are not.

 

john

Dominant Mo-type relievers are not a dime a dozen.

[monstah27]

either way a papelbon=closer hansen=starter or hansen=closer paps=starter

 

is a good idea.

[jsinger121]

Hansen was very effective in last night's start-- 4 innings, 1 Hit, 0 Runs, 4 Walks, 3 Ks

 

In 6 games (3 starts) for Pawtucket-- 0-1 record with a 2.29 ERA. In 19.2 innings he has struck out 16, while walking 14

 

Effective yes but he only threw 36 strikes out of the 70 pitches he threw.

[Teddyballgame10]

Thats not too effective with all those walks but Ill take it. ahhchon your right about papelbones stamina but i wouldnt make him a starter until next year. I dotn want to see him remain the closer though bc I have my doubt of weather hansen can start or not. I just think its a safter bet with hansen closing bc thats what hes always been

[a700hitter]

Effective yes but he only threw 36 strikes out of the 70 pitches he threw.

THis kid knows how to get people out. In ST he didn't strikeout a lot of people, but he went unscored upon for the entire ST even though sometimes it wasn't pretty. At every level of ball, he gets out and gives up very few runs. I think the FO has to stop worrying about him being overpowering people and his K ratio and realize that he consistently puts up 0's. Don't try to make the kid something that he is not.

[kreinbihl34]

Why Lowe was a ok closer and went to be a ok starter

[ahhchon]

Dominant Mo-type relievers are not a dime a dozen.

 

you're right, but it's too early to say that papelbon is MO.. he's not mo, he might NEVER be that good. he's that good now, but mo's been doing it for a decade. A DECADE.

 

above average closers are dime a dozen. i can easily think of 5-10 relief pitchers that would make good closers on squads right now.. to simplify it: all you need is a guy who has a good k/9 ratio. (i know there is more than that....)

 

last year the brewers, rockies and a's had no closers at a point (or garbage ones). 3 kids got promoted. you might have heard of them. fuentes, turnbow and street. all who are considered above average -> very above average closers. the same is being done to mike gonz this year (pits) and coffrey (sp).

 

john

[a700hitter]

you're right, but it's too early to say that papelbon is MO.. he's not mo, he might NEVER be that good. he's that good now, but mo's been doing it for a decade. A DECADE.

 

above average closers are dime a dozen. i can easily think of 5-10 relief pitchers that would make good closers on squads right now.. to simplify it: all you need is a guy who has a good k/9 ratio. (i know there is more than that....)

 

last year the brewers, rockies and a's had no closers at a point (or garbage ones). 3 kids got promoted. you might have heard of them. fuentes, turnbow and street. all who are considered above average -> very above average closers. the same is being done to mike gonz this year (pits) and coffrey (sp).

 

john

Those other guys are good closers, but Papelbon is setting records. You can't say that he is not a Mo-type reliever because he has not done it for 10 -years. He is more of a Mo-type reliever now than Mo. The fact that he has not done it for 10 years is an irrelevant fact.

[TheKilo]

Those other guys are good closers, but Papelbon is setting records. You can't say that he is not a Mo-type reliever because he has not done it for 10 -years. He is more of a Mo-type reliever now than Mo. The fact that he has not done it for 10 years is an irrelevant fact.

 

 

I don't think this is true.

 

 

Just because Gagne had his ridiculous save streak, does that mean he's better than Mo? The streak was longer than the one Papelbon has now, so by your logic Gagne is better than Mo?

 

 

Incorrect.

[a700hitter]

I don't think this is true.

 

 

Just because Gagne had his ridiculous save streak, does that mean he's better than Mo? The streak was longer than the one Papelbon has now, so by your logic Gagne is better than Mo?

 

 

Incorrect.

When Gagne was lights out, he stood head and shoulders above the rest of the closers, including Mo for that period. How was anyone to know that his arm would blow out. Your argument rings hollow. It seems that you are saying that Papelbon is not a lights out Mo-type closer because he hasn't done it for 10 years; therefore, he should be put into the starting rotation. You also seem to be arguing that there are many pitchers that can put up these fantastic dominant streaks as closers, but only for 1or 2 years. Is this what you are saying, because, I don't see the logic.

[schillingouttheks]

It's quite possible that Gagne used steroids. Just take a minute and think about it, especially with all his recent injuries.

[CrespoBlows]

Hansen's year to date stats.

 

Pawtucket (AAA) - 19.2 IP 16 H 5 ER 14 BB's 16 K's

 

Portland (AA) - 11.0 IP 4 H 1 ER 4 BB's 12 K's

 

Combined - 30.2 IP 20 H 6 ER 18 BB's 28 K's

 

ERA - 1.74

 

WHIP - 1.23

 

K/9 - 8.2

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'm not sure if it has been mentioned but the Red Sox sent down Jermaine Van Buren and called up Craig Hansen.

[Teddyballgame10]

I just read that too on redsox.com I wish they would send down someone beisde Van Buren though. Someone like riske

[TheKilo]

I just read that too on redsox.com I wish they would send down someone beisde Van Buren though. Someone like riske

 

 

Van Buren has options. Doubtful Riske does.

[CrespoBlows]

Van Buren has options. Doubtful Riske does.

 

Van Buren has walked eight batters, doubtful Riske has walked that much.

 

(not directed at you)

[Teddyballgame10]

you think they called up hansen to early?

[jsinger121]

you think they called up hansen to early?

 

too early..he's already been in the big leagues before and besides they need a fresh arm in the pen.

[a700hitter]

Was he warming in the pen tonight?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I'm not so sure that Hansen will just be another one of the young arms that comes up.

 

So far we have had Ginter, DiNardo, Alvarez, Delcarmen, Van Buren....I think Hansen sticks around on the big league club. It will be real interesting to see if he is successful because that could open options. I'm still not someone real interested in Papelbon going to the rotation (not because I don't think he can do it) but its something the Red Sox can look into if needed.

[NateGrey]

Seems like Hansen was sent down to make room for Lester ...

[jsinger121]

Hansen will be optioned to Pawtucket today to make room for Jon Lester

[MANNYHOF24]

Who cares if he is home grown' date=' Hansen is a stud pitcher for this club now[/quote']

lolwut

[BoSox21]

holy thread bump

[Cocos Disciples]

lol @ this entire thread of Hansen circlejerk.

[yankeessuck013]

What happened to jsinger?

[Cocos Disciples]

I think he went back to SoxProspects.