Foulke must go...

[soxie thefangirl]

Retarded. The stuff he said about fans was a tad uncalled for.

[sarasoxfan]

he has the second highest ERA of any closer in the majors...if he pitched anywhere else in the majors he would be booed every time he came out of the bullpen.

 

My problem with him isnt the comments he made, it's the fact that he coninues to look anemic on the mound...I get the feeling the guy is a jerk, and a jerk with a low ERA is very different that a jerk who gets shelled, I say trade him...

[riverside sluggers]

according to tom caron and nick frede he was waiting for the media at the clubhouse entrance, he knew what he was gonna say. Even tho first two runs were charge to mike timlin, it doesnt matter--he had given up 7 runs in the 8th & 9th innings--fans were booing cuz this is nothing new this season of him blowing saves or barely gettin out of situations

[Sizzlin22]

francona still gets the benefit of the doubt in my book, but his blind loyalty to certain guys is a bit annoying.

I beg to differ sizzlin, pitchers can get s***** in a year...age alone plays a big role, and in keith's case his arm just may be shot.

I know pitchers CAN get s***** in a year it just seems unlikely for him because he's only 33 where as Randy Johnson is 41. Huge difference I don't know what's wrong but the guy needs to fix it.

[soxie thefangirl]

It might be mental. Everyone tries to talk about his divorce when they call up EEI but they get hung up on. I don't think it's a far fetched reason in the least bit.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Foulke had an issue like this in Chicago where they couldn't have him close games anymore then moved him to Oakland. He has been able to get ahead of hitters but his location after that is off. His movement is at a minimum and his location is average at best overall. The only thing that has allowed him to get hitters out is there guessing on his pitch. BUT thats not very good odds when you only have 3 pitches really. Foulke must gain his movement back if he plans to be effective because he can't rely on heat.

[joe]

I do not blame Foulke for losing that game. I blame his manager.

We all knew that Foulke has been struggling all year long. He came in the 8th and showed us his stuff. We did not like it. However, apparently his manager did like it, that is why he brought him back in the 9th, and did not bother to ask Halama or Embree to warm up during the bottom of the 8th.

 

Don’t blame Foulke for the loss.

Blame his manager for it!!!

 

Joe's wish list:

I would rather see the followings gone from RedSox:

Francona, Embree, Vazquez, Shoppach, Foulke, 3rd baseman coach.

 

Replacements/changes:

- Wade Miller as closer or until new one found. I like Arroyo as starter more than Miller.

- Renteria bat 6th.

- Nixon bat 2nd

- Olerud in 1st base

- Millar share 1st and 2nd base so that Bellhorn gets less playing time.

- Payton as Nixon's replacer

 

Joe,

[Soxfan1]

I do not blame Foulke for losing that game. I blame his manager.

We all knew that Foulke has been struggling all year long. He came in the 8th and showed us his stuff. We did not like it. However, apparently his manager did like it, that is why he brought him back in the 9th, and did not bother to ask Halama or Embree to warm up during the bottom of the 8th.

 

Don’t blame Foulke for the loss.

Blame his manager for it!!!

 

Joe's wish list:

I would rather see the followings gone from RedSox:

Francona, Embree, Vazquez, Shoppach, Foulke, 3rd baseman coach.

 

Replacements/changes:

- Wade Miller as closer or until new one found. I like Arroyo as starter more than Miller.

- Renteria bat 6th.

- Nixon bat 2nd

- Olerud in 1st base

- Millar share 1st and 2nd base so that Bellhorn gets less playing time.

- Payton as Nixon's replacer

 

Joe,

Soxfanintex could you handle this?

[Soxfan1]

Joe's wish list:

I would rather see the followings gone from RedSox:

Francona, Embree, Vazquez, Shoppach, Foulke, 3rd baseman coach.

 

Ok its third base coach.

 

 

Replacements/changes:

-Wade Miller as closer or until new one found. I like Arroyo as starter more than Miller.

- Renteria bat 6th.

- Nixon bat 2nd

- Olerud in 1st base

- Millar share 1st and 2nd base so that Bellhorn gets less playing time.

- Payton as Nixon's replacer

 

Joe,

 

Ok, arroyo as a starter and miller as a. How is nixon going to bat 2nd if paytons playing and milliar will never play second. Learn some english Joe!

[riverside sluggers]

i can only see, from what the bullpen currently has, the closer should be timlin. and have arroyo as a setup man. dude cmon have wade miller pitch as a closer?? are you insane, cuz each game there is i write down the pitch counts... on average wade miller has gone 20 - 35 pitches his first inning, and get this 11 runs have scored in his first 10 games, im not even sure if red sox should renew his contract at the end of the season. Francona kept him in cuz like everybody, we remember the top closer of last season. fouke's ERA has gone up past 6, given up 8 homeruns, same as last year--25 runs scored against him---last year in 83 appearances, just 22!!!! the way foulke has been pitching and those assinine ccomments he made about red sox nation fans, he plain and simple doesnt care when he goes up to the mound

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

It takes WADE MILLER almost 3 innings to finally get his head in the game...how do you think he would do in one inning with the game on the line....RETARD

 

Francona just won a World Series for the Boston Red Sox....he is not going anywhere...RETARD

 

Millar at 2nd base.....RETARD

 

Payton and Nixon playing the same position in the outfield at the same time....RETARD

 

....who the hell are you and where do you come from?? I didn't know they still make people like you

[ORS]

Arroyo would be a great closer. I think we should get rid of Foulke and Embree pick up Burnett or Schmitt and use Arroyo as our closer when Schilling comes back. As for Miller I think they should wait to see if this guy could come around, he is just coming off a major injury, he'll get better (I hope).

Burnett has better closer like stuff. That kid, if we got him and put him in the pen, could be a DYN-O-MITE closer.

[riverside sluggers]

And another thing about millar play second, are you serious, second basemen need to be light and nimble. millar is a great defensive player by just standing at the bag, he cant run for the life of him. i went to a game that was against the yanks, he had a chance to stretch out his hit to a double, and he actually tripped over 1st base. plain and simple dude schillings gonna come back, which will move bronson to bullpen to be a 7th/8th inning setup pitcher. talks bronson could pitch as closer, very intriguing since he finsihes the 1st innings quick around 15 pitches. Joe, embree was warming up when it got to 2 outs. but it was too late to bring embree in, cuz he just started to warm up. god you gotta learn how the game is played and all aspects, i know it all my life and played in high school.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I might agree with you on that BUT.......he is an ace caliber pitcher.......tough choice.....an ace or a shut down closer.......not to mention he has the stamina to pitch two innings almost everytime he would go in. However I think you can find these guys without having to convert an ace.....look at Brad Lidge and Eric Gagne....then again you have guys like John Smoltz too....interesting idea at least

[elsrbueno]

Wow Joe.

 

I have to jump on the Joe-bashing bandwagon here, because, well, those ideas are even worse than mine. I come up with some crazy ideas, and take a LOT of crap here because of it, but at least I have SOME logic behind my ideas.

Joe's wish list:

I would rather see the followings gone from RedSox:

Francona, Embree, Vazquez, Shoppach, Foulke, 3rd baseman coach.

 

OK, Foulke and Embree I can understand, but Francona (despite some controversial decisions) is doing just fine. Hindsight is 20/20 my friend.

 

Vazquez-- doesn't get enough playing time to stay sharp. The man plays once every two weeks, and you wonder why he strikes out.

 

Shoppach-- is a kid brought up to fill a whole created by an injury. Sure, he went 0 for 11, but is that a reason to banish him from Boston forever? HELL NO. He's a great defensive catcher and he struggled during his MAJOR LEAGUE DEBUT. Give the kid some credit here.

 

Replacements/changes:

- Wade Miller as closer or until new one found. I like Arroyo as starter more than Miller.

- Renteria bat 6th.

- Nixon bat 2nd

- Olerud in 1st base

- Millar share 1st and 2nd base so that Bellhorn gets less playing time.

- Payton as Nixon's replacer

 

Joe,

 

Miller as closer-- Already commented on, bad idea.

Millar at 2nd base-- This could quite possibly be the stupidest idea I've ever heard. The man's below average as a first baseman, how in the HELL could he possibly play second? We'd be the laughing stock of baseball. Yes, Doug Mientkiewicz played ONE GAME as a second baseman last year, but the team was desimated by injuries, and this was a gold glove player... AND that experiment ended quickly.

 

Nixon's the heart and soul of this team (along with Varitek). What does replacing him with Payton accomplish? (Especially if you want Nixon to hit second).

 

I agree with Olerud getting more playing time at first, and I can see the logic behind batting Renteria 6th, but your 6 horrible ideas negate your 2 decent ones.

[Soxfan1]

Arroyo and burnett could work. Look at miguel batista. Pretty average starter and preet ood closer playing for a s***** team. And batista is up for grabs. I think the sox should get him.

[joe]

1-Oh I am sorry I forgot to put “a” before “starter” and “closer”.

I do not proof read when I write to adults.

2-“Payton as Nixon's replace”: means if Nixon is not playing, then use Payton. It does not mean you take Nixon out and replace him with Payton!

3-Using Miller as (a) closer is just temporary until (a) closer is found.

If he can’t take care of 2-3 outs every other day, then get rid of him. Arroyo is (a) better starter than him.

4-Millar is very smart guy, and can be trained to play second. I just wanted to give him more playing time and give less playing time to Bellhorn (tired of his strike outs!), and yes he is kind of overweight, but note that Ortiz is doing good job on 1st!

I do not believe playing 2nd is rocket science.

5-Francona has made many errors in the past. On scale of 1(worst)-10(best) I give him 4 because I must admit: he works very hard.

6-I looked back at my previous post, but could not find any reason why some are so hostile!

In forums you should always expect to hear different ideas, and opinions.

You need not trash others who differ with you.

If you do, then you do not belong to forums.

 

Thanks.

[riverside sluggers]

1-Oh I am sorry I forgot to put “a” before “starter” and “closer”.

I do not proof read when I write to adults.

2-“Payton as Nixon's replace”: means if Nixon is not playing, then use Payton. It does not mean you take Nixon out and replace him with Payton!

3-Using Miller as (a) closer is just temporary until (a) closer is found.

If he can’t take care of 2-3 outs every other day, then get rid of him. Arroyo is (a) better starter than him.

4-Millar is very smart guy, and can be trained to play second. I just wanted to give him more playing time and give less playing time to Bellhorn (tired of his strike outs!), and yes he is kind of overweight, but note that Ortiz is doing good job on 1st!

I do not believe playing 2nd is rocket science.

5-Francona has made many errors in the past. On scale of 1(worst)-10(best) I give him 4 because I must admit: he works very hard.

6-I looked back at my previous post, but could not find any reason why some are so hostile!

In forums you should always expect to hear different ideas, and opinions.

You need not trash others who differ with you.

If you do, then you do not belong to forums.

 

Thanks.

if wade miller averages 20 - 35 pitches his first inning of the past 10 games hes started and allowed 11 runs total during just the 1st inning in 10 games. how does that qualify him to be a closer??? im going with obvious backups of timlin and arroyo. bar none a miracle, there is a reason sox just signed him to a one year deal, has been shaky in each of his starts and lasts at the most 6 innings.

 

Do you remember Francona making the riskiest calls during the games of October, and ya know what i think they had worked. ok yes true ortiz is a big guy to have at 1st base. But, he plays at the most 6 games a season in the interleague games at first base out of the total 162 games played. his job is mainly to go out there and hit... 2nd base is much tougher job than 1st is, cuz you have to move around more, other than 1st base where just really stay at the bag.

 

Millar is going to get loads of playing time this summer with Olerud to be the perfect backup guy in the late innings. That idea of millar at second will never come across I assure you. its more likely for hanley ramirez to be bumped up to the majors as a second/shortstop backup and vazquez to be sent off the team. i only bash those ideas who dont have what is called common sense. and the games that payton comes in, have 95% of the time, been the reason for him to take over trot's duties, so dude thats already being done

[Soxfan1]

1-Oh I am sorry I forgot to put “a” before “starter” and “closer”.

I do not proof read when I write to adults.

2-“Payton as Nixon's replace”: means if Nixon is not playing, then use Payton. It does not mean you take Nixon out and replace him with Payton!

3-Using Miller as (a) closer is just temporary until (a) closer is found.

If he can’t take care of 2-3 outs every other day, then get rid of him. Arroyo is (a) better starter than him.

4-Millar is very smart guy, and can be trained to play second. I just wanted to give him more playing time and give less playing time to Bellhorn (tired of his strike outs!), and yes he is kind of overweight, but note that Ortiz is doing good job on 1st!

I do not believe playing 2nd is rocket science.

5-Francona has made many errors in the past. On scale of 1(worst)-10(best) I give him 4 because I must admit: he works very hard.

6-I looked back at my previous post, but could not find any reason why some are so hostile!

In forums you should always expect to hear different ideas, and opinions.

You need not trash others who differ with you.

If you do, then you do not belong to forums.

 

Thanks.

Hey if you got a problem with that then go to yes boards. It's called constructive critisism. Look at my first posts. Look at the s*** I got from people lke yankshater and yeszir. Live with it.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Playing 2nd base may not be rocket science but you need to have good range.....Millar might be close to having the worst range at 1st in the league...how would you expect....blah im just done lol.

 

I think you underestimate the job Francona does though. You are almost helpless as a baseball coach sometimes. I'm not against him leaving Foulke in that game the other night because in order for this team to have success they need all the pieces working. You have to give Foulke his time to make the impact....it worked against him this time but its not like Francona has a huge choice.....once Foulke goes into the game with the lead...its his to lose. I would have done the same thing....lets remember too....if he got Embree up in time and put him in...i guarantee we lose the game anyways.

[elsrbueno]

That's true-- Soxfan#1's gotten a lot of s*** in his time.

 

Joe-- I think part of posting in the forums is also expecting SOME people may not like your ideas. I don't think anyone's hostile, it's just that we strongly disagree with these ideas of yours.

 

I am one of the people out there who think Millar gets TOO MUCH playing time. Bellhorn, DESPITE his struggles, has a .346 OBP and a .388 SLG. Kevin Millar? .353/.385. That's right, Bellhorn has a HIGHER slugging percentage than Kevin, and a MARGINALLY worse on base percentage. I'd rather have Bellhorn in the lineup than Millar right now, no question about it. And Bellhorn's not a gold glove winner, but he's WAY WAY better than Millar could ever be defensively.

 

Millar can't run, play defense, or hit. And don't tell me that Kevin's just slumping, because even after he'd gone through the whole season, he had a total of 18 homers. Bellhorn had 17 last year. Millar is slugging a putrid .295 away from Fenway Park this year. Why in the hell does he need MORE playing time?

[Soxfan1]

Bellhorn has been doing better as of late. He isn't clutch but he starts off an inning well.

[riverside sluggers]

oh yeah in his last 4 games, bellhorn gotten 5 RBIs across the plate

[Sizzlin22]

4-Millar is very smart guy, and can be trained to play second. I just wanted to give him more playing time and give less playing time to Bellhorn (tired of his strike outs!), and yes he is kind of overweight, but note that Ortiz is doing good job on 1st!

I do not believe playing 2nd is rocket science.

Did I really just read that? Joe every time you post you make yourself look dumber and dumber. I agree I am hostile towards stupid people.

[Youk Of The Nation]

I do not blame Foulke for losing that game. I blame his manager.

We all knew that Foulke has been struggling all year long. He came in the 8th and showed us his stuff. We did not like it. However, apparently his manager did like it, that is why he brought him back in the 9th, and did not bother to ask Halama or Embree to warm up during the bottom of the 8th.

 

Don’t blame Foulke for the loss.

Blame his manager for it!!!

 

Joe's wish list:

I would rather see the followings gone from RedSox:

Francona, Embree, Vazquez, Shoppach, Foulke, 3rd baseman coach.

 

Replacements/changes:

- Wade Miller as closer or until new one found. I like Arroyo as starter more than Miller.

- Renteria bat 6th.

- Nixon bat 2nd

- Olerud in 1st base

- Millar share 1st and 2nd base so that Bellhorn gets less playing time.

- Payton as Nixon's replacer

 

Joe,

 

 

Im actually surprised no one mentione that a guy who cant NAME the third base coach shouldnt be talking about getting RID of the third base coach.

 

 

Dale Sveum.

[Sox fan in Tex]

What the problem with Rent batting 2nd? Why did a two game losing streak put everyone in a frenzy.... so what we have bullpen problems, but don't fix what's not broken, joe. We finally lost a series, what do you want to do next joe, fire Francona? I assume Theo is next followed by everyone else in the organization. Don't forget Orsillo and Rem-Dog, hey, all of them are doing fantastic jobs, but since we lost two in a row they must all be fired.

[soxie thefangirl]

Replacements/changes:

- Wade Miller as closer or until new one found. I like Arroyo as starter more than Miller.

- Renteria bat 6th.

- Nixon bat 2nd

- Olerud in 1st base

- Millar share 1st and 2nd base so that Bellhorn gets less playing time.

 

I'm sorry, someone wants MILLAR to play 2nd?? Are you retarded?? MILLAR can barely play 1st and 2nd is significantly harder.

[stevece80]

I didn't need to read the Millar to second base comment to know that "joe" was either retarded or a troll, or both. It's people like him that make me reconsider my stance on post-adolescent abortion.

[soxie thefangirl]

Yeah, quite lame.

[stevece80]

I saw someone bashing Bellhorn today for hitting a home run and striking out 3 times. I kid you not.