The Athletic Confirms Boston's "Aggressive" Offer for Alex Bregman

One person's idea of what a competitive offer is does not always mean it's close to what others offered.

I don't like this. A lot of chatter from media, nothing from team or player.

1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

One person's idea of what a competitive offer is does not always mean it's close to what others offered.

You mean what the Red Sox offered Alonso wasn’t competitive? Shocking!🤫

40 minutes ago, Old Red said:

You mean what the Red Sox offered Alonso wasn’t competitive? Shocking!🤫

All part of the "sham."

15 minutes ago, JoeBrady said:

Many teams, including the RS, will make a good offer that they know will fall short.  Not saying this is the case, but these articles are fairly meaningless.

Yup, for sure.

15 minutes ago, Hitch said:

Never make your final offer first, as they say. 

Also, if we've made an offer, the player and agent will then shop that offer to everyone else to see if they will beat it. 

Sometimes our fans act like it's just our decision who comes here. Short of blowing people out of the water (something we absolutely shouldn't be doing), there's a process involved.

You mean a process like having a zoom meeting with Alonso, and then having a in person  meeting, and then only offering him 3 year?🤭

1 hour ago, Hitch said:

Never make your final offer first, as they say. 

Also, if we've made an offer, the player and agent will then shop that offer to everyone else to see if they will beat it. 

Sometimes our fans act like it's just our decision who comes here. Short of blowing people out of the water (something we absolutely shouldn't be doing), there's a process involved.

Some context on the Lester events: Pedey had signed what almost everybody felt was a team discount deal. Lester had stated he was willing to take a hometown discount. While I agree that first offer was borderline offensive, the real issue was there was no timely follow-up offer I heard about. Their final off, IMO, was just meant to placate the fans. I think they knew he'd say no. 

That doesn't mean the offer was not close to being fair, but the whole process was not going to make Lester feel like he was wanted.

14 minutes ago, Hitch said:

What's your problem with this? Seems obvious to me, they checked in with him like most teams did and then made him an offer they were comfortable going to. Which is to say they weren't overly sold on him. Fine by me.

Even if they were 99.9% sure he'd never take a 3 year deal, it can't hurt to check-in.

The whole "made a competitive offer" is highly subjective. Most of us would not call an offer we feel has no chance of being accepted "competitive," but that term keeps popping up. Perhaps it is media generated and sometimes not the official team statement, but it sure feels like they view their offers as being competitive.

12 minutes ago, jad said:

How about going with the amateur/NCAA model?  Then there would be no salary or movement restrictions at all.

I'm not sure what problem we are trying to solve?

10 minutes ago, Hitch said:

We were discussing Bregman. Nothing to do with Lester.

With Lester they just flat out screwed it up.

I'm not allowed to talk about other related topics?

9 minutes ago, Hitch said:

I think they would have been fairly happy if he'd accepted that 3 year deal. It's not too risky and worth seeing if he wanted to take it. But they clearly did not feel they should go further. 

Which again, fine by me.

I agree that that was their position on a maximum offer.

I don't think it was "competitive," but I think they viewed it as such.

At some point, to get real good talent, you have to bite the bullet and overpay. More importantly, you have to correctly identify who that guy should be. When we signed Price, I could think of no surer bet that he seemed to be. They go burned.

The Story and Yoshida signings were not "the guys" in anybody's view, failed as well. I can see why JH & Co. are gun shy. I get it, and maybe they just haven't seen the right guy come along. they seemed to be willing to go super large and long on Soto, but again fell significantly short of paying what it took to get him. As far as I know, we haven't come close to a similar FA offer, and I can't help but think, they money was "there" for Soto, so where did it go?

(Or was that offer just for show?)

56 minutes ago, Hitch said:

What's your problem with this? Seems obvious to me, they checked in with him like most teams did and then made him an offer they were comfortable going to. Which is to say they weren't overly sold on him. Fine by me.

If you just wanted to waste everyone’s time it’s fine, but Alonso was not going to take only 3 years.