Red Sox Showing Interest in Walker Buehler

37 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

Per MLB Trade Rumors so far: 

Soto

Adames

Bregman

Snell

Burnes 

Fried

Santander

Buehler

Teoscar

Eovaldi

Crochet

Mariners Staff - Various

Very INTERESTing offseason for the Red Sox. 

 

Also Tyler O’Neill.

They haven’t been connected to Pete Alonso yet. In fact, I don’t think anyone has been…

Another pitcher with an injury history.

Typical.

Red Sox are not interested in Aaron Judge, but Buehler, who struck him out in the World Series. How boring.

Andres Gimenez to Toronto…

23 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

I think it is about time! Let’s hope bres-slow can close the deal 

You want this guy?

23 minutes ago, Larry Cook said:

Yes! I think he would sign a one year 20 million dollar prove it deal 

I wouldn't give him $14M/1 or $20M/2.

Haven't we seen enough Klubers, Richards, Paxtons and Hills for a decade?

Just now, Jasonbay44 said:

This is opposite of what I want the Sox to sign. I want a healthy, legit workhorse, not another injury prone guy coming off a bad season. 

Exactly.

I'd rather have a steady Pivetta than another Kluber.

I missed the Nate $75M/3 deal with Texas.

Every recently-signed pitcher is getting an added year over projections and the same or more money.

Unless we decide to overpay, we will keep coming up short.

This isn't rocket science. Going into these negotiations, thinking we don't have to overpay is either ignorance or playing a shell game, which I call it what it is- a big sham.

I'm at the point, where even if we get Burnes, I'll still be pissed.

8 hours ago, harmony said:

The Red Sox are probably exploring the trade market where the asking prices may rise with the rising free agent market ... especially for pitchers.

Will trade demands go up or down in the pitching market?

Yes, true, but to you, no Sox player's trade value ever goes up, accordingly.

1 minute ago, harmony said:

Indeed an avid Red Sox fan's valuation of Sox players often differs from a valuation of a more objective outsider.

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Of course, there is homerism taking place. We know that, but why do Sox players values stay stagnant in your eyes, while every big signing raises Mariner player values?

BTW, on almost every trade I ever suggested on BTV, I tried to counter my bias by making the return value higher than what we got back- never even. When people gave thumbs up, more often than not there were more thumbs up for the other team. Most disliked the Sox returns. (I do think I try not to be biased.)

12 hours ago, Jasonbay44 said:

This is opposite of what I want the Sox to sign. I want a healthy, legit workhorse, not another injury prone guy coming off a bad season. 

Ok, but I’d rather have Buehler than Cooper Criswell out there nearly every fifth day.

Of course signing Buehler does give the Sox a chance at both scenarios..

5 minutes ago, harmony said:

Indeed an avid Red Sox fan's valuation of Sox players often differs from a valuation of a more objective outsider.

😃

I rely maybe too much on BTV.  But they are objective, and quite often accurate…

1 minute ago, notin said:

Ok, but I’d rather have Buehler than Cooper Criswell out there nearly every fifth day.

 

Of course signing Buehler does give the Sox a chance at both scenarios..

I just want to be able to watch him and chant, "Hecan'thit, hecan'thit, swing batter!"

...at least for the 10 starts or so he'd give us.

6 minutes ago, harmony said:

Evidence to support these conclusions?

Just today a post questioned whether Nate Eovaldi's signing reduced the trade value of Seattle right-hander Luis Castillo:

https://talksox.com/forums/topic/89103-rumor-mariners-listening-on-offers-for-right-hander-luis-castillo/page/2/#findComment-2987897

Objectivity is a heavy cross to bear.

Show me where you ever said a Sox player's value went up, or where you liked a Sox player more than BTV valued them at.

I'm only addressing your views on Sox players as almost always less than the more or less objective BTV site.

You seem to only use fWAR and WAR projections, when it makes a Sox player look worse than we appear to think they are, but never when it comes out making them look valuable. That is my point.

I think you do okay valuing your own players objectively, and you recognize hos park factors make your pitchers look better, in some stats, than they really are, and how batters might look worse.

I totally understand how you are often just trying to show Sox fans how they are thinking their players are better than they might really be.