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needing to move money was predictable. we knew there would have to be some wheeling and dealing. the notion that the best way to do that was trading betts started gaining steam. And i started getting nervous. I disagree "how" we did it was predictable, but some did present it as a good move (trade betts to deal with the cliff). I knew it was a terrrrrrrible decision. I always thought, up until the trade, that we wouldnt actually do it. Then we did it and I flipped out. Joe Brady told me it was the best trade ever made because if Verdugo is a 3 WAR player on a 1m deal thats 3WAR/1mil value, and had we gave betts 27m, he never would have been a 81 WAR/yr player (27*3) so the ratio of WAR /mil spent is better with verdugo and for this reason OMG did we ever just fleece the dodgers. Joe got the trade and the era that he wanted. EVerything from a value perspective. 4 last place finishes later and hes still on here talking down to people telling us that we dont understand how to divide WAR/dollars when its him that doesnt realize that chasing value only gets you so far and sure it can set you up real nice, but to win it all, eventually you need talent and a team of 26 2WAR players all making min wage loses to a team of 26 4 WAR players all making 10m even though the first team is better from a WAR/$$ spent standpoint. But I dont wanna be unfair, Joe did recently say something like hes willing to overpay when we are close if its gonna put us over a hump, and thats when i cooled on taking cheap shots at joe (for now)

but are you technically in a cliff if you are in a dwelling built into a cliff? I honestly dont know which is why i told mvp i would give him an ill get back to you

Even if we replaced betts salary, even if we balloooned payroll, we traded a hall of famer entering his prime and you cant spend your way out of that mistake.

see you lost me. The cliff was what led to trading betts, not what happened after. We were toast. Although, I guess the lack of adding after could be an aftermath effect of being over a finacial cliff. But that didnt matter. We were already toast. Because verdublow was fools gold (i called it immediately) and there was no coming back from trading betts. Everyone knew that we were gonna shed some money. That doesnt necessary mean plummet payroll. We already had #1 payroll and dudes needing raises. So even if kept the payroll same (or even went up a bit) there was a financial matter to deal with. We werent going to be #1 in payroll and THEN splash money around like a team thats perennially 20th in payroll but trying to change their image. Just wasnt going to happen. SO there was financial moves that were going to be made. And everyone and I bet here too, thought it was like inevitable and a must to trade betts. ANd it wasnt. And i heard it all before. Joe Brady loved the trade because when you break down talent for every dollar spent , he would prefer verdublow over betts. And all those arguments we hear now about why we should avoid expensive players were all then there too. There was never ever ever a reason to trade betts and we're still paying the price for THAT now (not Dave's move but htat move) . We have not recovered from trading Betts.

im gonna need to get back to you on whether i want to dig in my heels on this one or concede.

you guys are talking right past each other. Hes saying a financial cliff, you are talking about a talent/results cliff We certainly were up against a financial cliff (had to move money) , we were not up against a talent cliff (we could have shed money and still been good) There were other ways to save money than by giving away betts for verdublow and eating half of prices contract to facilitate. We were just lazy and trading betts was easy and I was on another forum at the time with joebrady and tedyazmookiefldg%isonlythingthatmatters and pumpsie. And they were all gobbling up misinformation. Like Betts didnt want to be here or we had to move betts. We needed to move money (that was the cliff) , we could have still been good (keep betts, move others) and anyone who thinks that betts didnt want to be here or was gonna be gone anyway or we couldnt find a way to shed money in other areas is incorrect. Trading betts was a choice, the wrong one, and thats what ruined the team. Getting Verdublow back didnt help. Cuz he was just lousy enough where it wasnt obvious how lousy he was , so he held the job down (again lazy GM) when really we woulda been better off if Verdugo got injured in spring training and never returned, because at least then we would be forced to get somebody else. Like a 100% healthy Casas. Still dont want him.

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hope hes nice, he is big

now , you! you cannot be in a cliff. Do we not know what a cliff is? It is not a cave. It is not a den. It is the side of a mountain or hill with a steep decline. Even if you are inside of a mountain that has a cliff on the side of it, you are not in a cliff. The only way to be in a cliff is if you got swallowed by the big red dog or something. But I think hes nice.

you cant dwell in a cliff, it isnt a cave can you meet me at "I was a cliffhanger, mvp and others were not...."

Crochet is my favorite player on the team. If we are gong to buy and sell or half-in / half-out or be content with mediocrity, we should set my favorite player free. And we should all pick second favorite teams. Im picking Arizona for secondary allegiance. Hope we dont trade Marte.

Sure. Im not saying we're def screwed at this exact point in time. I'm saying that I disagree that we shouldnt be passive about building a competetive team due to having crochet for 5 more years because we dont know he'll stay healthy and every year we waste from him (if its anything like last year) is awful. And I get that its debatable whether we wasted last year, but all of my friends who are not red sox fans (so neutral) say yes. My friend (and he played 2b for Umass) said, if you were trying....if you were half serious .... you would have at least gotten josh naylor

Why do you think that? I think they try to get St louis to eat some money on contreras and if they cant , they get like an ohearn or hoskins. Maybe someone more who can "compete" for the job vs someone who comes at a price point that reflects its THEIR job

it is drafty in here

I dont want to waste 2 of crochets 5 though. Hes unlikely to stay healthy every year for 5. Crochet blasted open the window and every year in which we arent aggressively trying to capitalize on our awesome ace is a waste. Id rather trade Crochet than half-ass any of his years. Cuz he deserves better.

Its not going to be casas. It might be someone cheapish/short-term candidate/someone else internally who they can push aside if casas re-emerges. So they may go light on a plan A because they want to give casas a shot to win it back, but no way is casas plan A Even if they sign nobody it still wont be casas as plan A It will be Romy full time before its casas/romy

Its not going to be casas. It might be someone cheapish/short-term candidate/someone else internally who they can push aside if casas re-emerges. So they may go light on a plan A because they want to give casas a shot to win it back, but no way is casas plan A Even if they sign nobody it still wont be casas as plan A It will be Romy full time before its casas/romy

Contreras?

this dude has been on fire of late if anyone hasnt noticed

Ive got not dog in this fight, but im happy to jim ross it my god, king. slobberknocker!

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YOu guys are rehashing debates from years ago, Notin has changed his pic back to what it was in 2007(ish) Im loving it guys. Im fully on board with this pretending its not 2025/2026 ANybody going to get some kenny rogers chicken, tonight?

Yes, we all know the key to financial freedom is skipping the coffee on the way to work 🙄 Propoganda santa brings you a list of reasons why its your fault that you are working your life away. No thanks.