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I had a boss who once told me I was too nice while she was holding a stack of papers. I smacked em right out of her hand onto the floor. She looked at me puzzled. I said "Im trying this be a jerk thing you recommended"

theres a d in that word? ive always thought it was gobbleygook. Like a turkey gobbles.

Also - third reason to move Cedanne to inf - to annoy joe brady (but i dislike him less today than i did last week)

another reason is because then we wouldnt trade duran and i could lie to myself that we made a big offensive offseason addition (duran), like i did last year trade deadline.

third times a charm?

There was also the time when the bench cleared, adn everyone was rushing towards the scrum and NOmar was like nah. Be mad at ownership, but youre gonna not get your teammates back? Arent you raging from roids and looking for an excuse to punch someone? (nomar, not you. i hope you are not roided out and looking to punch someone cuz that someone would prob be me)

Now, Joe Brady and I are on the same side. Enemies can become friends and friends can become enemies in a royal rumble. Dont turn your back on me though (chair shot)

John Henry just sold the penguins. This is huge! I no longer want to punch him in the face!!! Now donate the proceeds. I take that back. Keep portion to invest on red sox (not all this year) , donate the rest. Still, this is great news!!! Our owner is no longer the owner of the organization that employed Matt Cooke!! This is probably bigger news to me than to you guys, but Im sure we have some bruins fans in here that didnt like jh owning the penguins. Matt cooke, for those who dont know, is a cheap shotting little B who ruined Marc Savard (bruins player) career with a cheap shot elbow.

I can be talked into or out of almost anything.

And its a pattern (focuses lapses) , if it was the only time ive ever seen duran loose focus, i would excuse it. Problem is its not the first time.

But Duran did drop that ball.

Its a treat watching him play OF. Its beautiful, its majestic, its eye-popping. It really stands out. And thats why, I think its overrated Its worth something, its worth a lot. Id love to keep him in CF, dont get me wrong. But I think Duran is the better overall ballplayer.

I also expect #2 from Sonny

I expect #2 from Tolle.

cedanne could go, masa could play 1b. There are other players/pitchers we could trade for Marte. But if we're trading duran for marte, its at lest better than duran for more pitching. I think Masa would be fine at 1b, personally, and I dont think Casas is going to be healthy in 2026.

Ive seen some of the best boxers who have 0 ground game turn into elite grapplers. Ive seen elite grapplers with no boxing training turn into elite boxers. Because whatever that fighter had that made him elite in one area is still there. How did Cedanne become sooooo good in the outfield? Work ethic, natural baseball instinct, athleticism, good arm I do see your stats in the other thread which show he was not the same player at SS or 2b (which is a recent sample, sure), and its valid but I still embrace positional versatility

150/6, I will be able to convince myself is 150/5 with a free year tacked on....I dont think I would cringe. 180/6 and im getting nervous.

I agree. Im offering pitchers cuz we have too many. Harrison + Dobbins + Fajardo Why Fajardo ? Because I just now learned hes a dude, never heard that name before. But I see him on sox prospects and its like finding a $20 in your pocket.

Why is that my choice? If you are asking if I would trade Duran for Marte - thats a separate question. And the answer is yes. But hes not the first guy I offer. But my point was that I dont think its wise move Duran for the purposes of freeing up 8m. My "choice" is rotations infield/outifeld/and DH Sometimes cedanne plays infield, sometimes masa plays first, sometimes duran DHs. I embrace versatility. I believe positions are for dinosaurs. They are barely a thing in basketball, and I think baseball is moving in the same directon. You want to find a way to get your best 9 bats on the field, but you do NOT prioritize ideal defensive alignment. Cedanne plays some infield, Duran DHs some, Masa plays some first, guys move around depending on who is hot, who is healthy, if its a righty or lefty pitcher. As long as our defense isnt awful, I really dont care.

I think Im a little less hesitant to trade Mayer than you are, but my point with this post right now, is that I prefer to talk about the high level strategies than the actual players. When I say theres a time to focus on a compete window, Im not thinking super specfiically. To some extent sure, so like when I see people multiple prospects in one category player x AND one of tolle, early, harrison and im like those three are individuals and im way more willing to part with harrison than tolle (for example). And certainly when it comes to players we're getting. I have my dudes around the league who i especially like. Maybe becasue I had em on a fantasy team, maybe because i like playing with them in the show, maybe because they are my style of hitter (attack mistakes) or pitcher. But I appreciate how you are willing to converse from a more philosophical level. I like how you can talk about concepts (with or without specifics). I like talking about baseball players, but I LOVE talking about baseball philosophies and concepts and evolutions

cuz he has "it"

"all in" is not really an expression I use for a few reasons. Mainly because it can mean different things to different people. I would prefer to be less black/white. Im a live in the gray kind of guy. If I think we have a very good core, I am more willing (than I would otherwise be) to sign a guy to an 8 year deal, who I think will be overpaid in those final 2 years. Im more willing to make a deadline trade or an offseason trade I do not want to trade off everyone, I just want to be say 75% focused on the present when I think we are "in a window" ; whereas, if I feel we arent in a window, I may be more focused on the long term outlook.

My concern is that you are taking this personally, and that was not my intent. Just a vibe Im getting from this rebuttal. I am not sure if you were on boston.com and apologies if you were as Hugh and Im not remembering. But Im new here but ive been fan posting for 20 years. And what Im talking about is the people getting all giddy presenting a depth chart 4-5 years down the line. All homegrown. And I dont mind that. But some of these depth charts were like (in 2002) a 2005 OF of Ellsbury, Westmoreland, Wily Mo. And im like wheres manny? And they are like what would you rather have in 2004 Manny making $x as he declines or Willy Mo!!!! Ready to move on from Manny. (Maybe these names arent 100% right, maybe willy mo wasnt a thing till after, but the gist) Okay, but then 2005 came and these people are suddenly ready to move away from the dudes they were giddy about last time, because now they cant wait for 2010 with an OF of x,y,z (all current prospects in 2005). Then 2010 comes and its I cant wait for 2015 because x,y,z. You bring up Roman. First of all, Roman is kind of an exception because he was #1 prospect so thats irregular / special and the stuff Im talking about (that bothers me) is regular. Im not saying never look down the line. Im embrace cyclicality. Yes, we should have been focusing on 2025 in 2023. Thats just logical. Because thats where we were in the cycle. And if you are thinking well, I think our best years are in front of us. And I really dont want to be signing guys who are going to be drags when Roman is hitting his prime. I know its been 6 years, but I honestly think its not time to go after those expensive free agents. If this is your mindset, okay. Im fine with it. My point is that if we flash forward and its now 2029. And Roman is a monster (in a good way). At that point, I dont want to start reading well we cant sign this free agent because while he'll be good for the next 7 years, it will take a 10 year contract and im worried about those back end years. Or even worse. I dont want to read omg i cant wait until 2034 because omg look at this next crop of 21 year olds!! I wont be mad but ill roll my eyes and think how long did we jsut wait for roman? My only point is that there is a time to prioritize the short term. To act like the window is now. Whether the window is now , I can understand an argument that it isnt (Anthony is 21) and I can understand an argument that it is (I cant comfortably assume Crochet will be this awesome and healthy) For years Ive literally said buy or sell, I dont care, jsut not both. Now I find myself wanting to buy and the reason is not wanting to waste any of Crochet's window.

I agree and we dont have the resources that the sox do (up-close look, experts, doctors, deep-dives into the health of his arm). Its certainly possible that they had good reason to consider him a good bet for 2026 at one point in time and no longer do. Personally, Im in the dark on this one.

Yes, while I dont hate the trade, my issue with it or at least how it has been presented (by a few people) as a money-saver is that Duran at 8m is adding to the offense at very good value. So i have a hard time believing we'll be able to stretch that 8m saved far enough to compensate for even the loss of Duran, never-mind painting the freeing up of Durans money as a way to "improve" the offense.