Hugh2
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I may have missed something in here as I haven't read the thread in a few days but there's zero comparisons here. All 31 other teams passed on Kavadas in the top 10 rounds. Mayer was taken over him because he was the better prospect.
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It’s not like Bloom is the AAA pitching coach. One reason Houck looks so good is because he’s dropped the change up, splitter, and now he’s solely a two pitch guy. He throws those two pitches REALLY well in a bullpen role, but it almost guarantees he’ll never be a starter. He had a plus fastball slider before bloom came along.
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I was thinking the same thing about EROD, and the stats, especially lately prove that. The other day he finally got the box score to reflect that. With EROD pitching as well as he has and Sale coming back we might have a formidable 1-2 punch in a 7 game series.
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Good return, but I believe this guy is 40 man eligible. Which is fine, but some people are getting the boot
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That’s fair, and a point I’d always try to stress when people demand promotions solely by scouting box scores. Teams have a standard ideal of where a guy has to be to become MLB ready, and it doesn’t all show up in the box score.
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Yankees have a top 10 farm, and if they become sellers at the deadline they could get some elite prospects and shed payroll. You know they’ll spend that money quick. I almost wish the Yankees were a little less sucky so they’d drain their farm instead but I can settle for just sweeping them all year.
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If Barnes pitches for the next two years like he did before this year it will be a good deal. Not a steal but a decent deal. If Barnes has come into his own and is a good closer for the next several years then this deal will have been a steal. Given his age and progression, it’s obvious teams would weigh his recent performances more. They got him for much less than what they’d have to pay to replace him in FA.
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I think it’s more of a function of not wanting to throw a new position at him and Renfroe at the same time. Keep Verdugo in LF. Durans speed does not play up in CF because he doesn’t get great reads. Reportedly he has made strides in his defense the past couple months which is encouraging. I hope he continues to do so.
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Are….are you….this is a joke right?
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Another thing to consider is this. There's a difference between saying a reliever holds value and a bullpen holds value. I think it's without contest that bullpens are more important today than they were 20 years ago. Bullpens are tremendously more valuable. But it's not like Closers are going 150 innings instead 70. So, it's not that your 70 IP closer has more value, it's the 70 IP set up man, 7th inning, 6th inning guy. It's the depth of the bullpens today that makeup it's increased value because that's where the uptick in innings pitched is coming from.
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Playoff rotation Sale Eovaldi Erod Pivetta. Tha'ts it. I wouldn't be surprised if one of Martin/Richards isn't on the playoff roster. Houck in the pen.
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Saying something is overvalued is not analogous to it has no value.
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So my hypothetical example that could never happen isn't that simple? Of course not, I used it to exemplify a point. You'd draft Ohtani, Wheeler, Degrome, Cole, and Sale before you'd take a reliever. That's pretty simple, you need 5 starters. You'd take Franando Titis Jr, plug him at SS, maybe take Bogaerts and move him to 3B, you'd take Vladimir Guerro JR. and plug him at 1B, you'd take Altuve and finish off your infield before you took a reliever. At no point would someone say "well Titis is pretty good, but gosh darn it we need a closer" CLosers are overvalued. #truth.
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Remember when we all took the SAT's and you saw Boogle, and all boggle were zoodles but not all zoodles are doodles, you saw a doodle is it a boggle? Or however, it went. I feel like that's where the Mo conversation went. No one is trying to say Rivera wasn't great, or that closers don't carry a lot of value. But someone should be able to comment on the reality of them being overvalued without being burned at the stake for blasphemy. Tough to swallow pill. Relievers are overvalued. They will never be as valuable as position players and starting pitchers. If we were starting over from scratch, you were the GM, and we lived in an unfair world where YOU got the first 25 picks in an MLB player draft who would you draft top 12? no one here would take a closer, not one person.
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Also, Dalbec has not been very good defensively
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I’m not worried about finding Arroyo at bats, he’s never really been an everyday player but he’s earned a shot at 2b on this team. Kike will spell him. I’m not worried about Kike getting at bats. Cora will get him at bats. He will get about as much playing time as a starter as a super utility player on this team. I’d be more than happy picking up a bat who could platoon with Dalbec and DFA Marwin
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Well let’s talk about value. Let’s imagine Gaetti and Mo in their prime entering FA. In today’s numbers. Who would get the bigger contract?
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Exactly, that was intentional. Gaetti in his prime would be an MVP candidate today, and he had a solid career.
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I hope bloom spins the tires on some upgrades, and I think he will but I'm not sure this is the year you go after the premium player at the deadline and pay a premium price. I don't think the guys are that good. I'd be interested in bullpen depth, I think the back of your pen is fine. Playoff time you have Barnes, Ottavino, Whitlock. I think those guys will be better if they start getting more rest. They're being overworked, especially Barnes. You don't need an elite closer you just need someone to take pressure off those guys and we probably have in-house options: Houck, Ort, Valdez, and maybe even Seabold. What I want to see, is what they can do to improve 1B. I like Dalbec, and I don't want to give up on him yet, but if the team wants to make a serious run in the playoffs they can't have that black hole in their lineup. I'd settle for a platoon if it can be a good fit and the price is right.
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I'm not opposed to selling prospects for rentals, so I hope no one takes this post out of context, but I am cautious. A farm system exists to supplement the big club, and that means trading away future value for present value. However, there always seems to be some people that are 100% about instant gratification and want to sell off the farm seemingly at any time. That's all fine and Dandy, but keep in mind NOT selling the farm at times has given us Bogaerts, Devers, Vasquez, and Barnes and in years past the likes of Betts, Pedroia, Benintendi, Lester, Papelbon etc. And yes, sometimes you trade away those prospects for the likes of Sale, Lowe, Varitek, etc. But a good GM doesn't just buy for the sake of buying sometimes you the best trades are the ones you do not make.
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Fair.
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Oh absolutely.
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Heath Hembree has more world series wins than Mike Trout.
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I'm a huge fan of closers. I'm just a fan of players who add more value to a team. That's how you win world series.
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Um, I would take Gary Gaetti in his prime over Mariano Rivera any day.